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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 7:10:14 AM   
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Worth getting up at 05:30 for before work.

I couldn't bear the thought of a Monday at work with BB to watch when I got in - not sure many other shows would get that kind of motivation out of me!

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 7:47:20 AM   
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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 8:25:50 AM   
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I loved the simplicity of the finale. What you thought might happen was exactly what happened.

Greatest TV show to ever grace the small screen, I'd say it was a masterpiece. Sure going to miss it, what a perfect ending BITCH!

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 10:04:59 AM   
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I have to rush out the door just now, but all I'll say is that I'm so relieved Jesse lived.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 10:14:46 AM   
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Are we assuming spoilers for the finale, yeah?

Just saying to be clear - SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE FOLLOW. YOU CARRY ON READING AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINALE, TOUGH FUCKING SHIT.








Ok, so yeah, we're assuming that Jesse didn't drive straight into the oncoming police cars, right?

Also, poor Huell. Still waiting in that room.

But yeah, that was pretty much the perfect finale.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 10:33:00 AM   
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All I can say is that it was a perfect ending, couldn't have been more pleased with it. Farewell to one of the greatest modern television shows of all time.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 11:28:26 AM   
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I've said it before, but whoever chooses the music for Breaking Bad deserves an award. Not only is the music always good music, it always fits the tone of the moment perfectly, and gives lyrical hints as to what will unfold. From one of the tracks tonight

"Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel a deep burning pain in my side. Though I am trying to stay in the saddle, I'm getting weary, unable to ride"

I also loved just how often Walt was off to the side of shot, or hidden from view, in the background. Always there, making sure his plan was coming together, but doing so quietly, and all the more terrifyingly.

I don't know what I'll do with my Monday mornings any more, and It's going to be hard for a TV show to excite me in the same way that Breaking Bad has.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 11:41:03 AM   
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What a fist pumping finale that was!!

Exactly what i wanted to happen!!!

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 11:46:06 AM   
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Watching for my second time....delivering just as promised... Perfect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53QAuOoSgc#t=138

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 12:32:51 PM   
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I have to wait until after work for this. The wait is killing me!

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 2:06:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Your Funny Uncle

I loved the simplicity of the finale. What you thought might happen was exactly what happened.

Greatest TV show to ever grace the small screen, I'd say it was a masterpiece. Sure going to miss it, what a perfect ending BITCH!


I've had time to think it over since I watched it this morning and I have to agree. The simplicity of it was what made it so good. It seems to be that too many shows drop the ball on their final episode by trying to make such a big impression that they end up leaving viewers scratching their heads or disappointed. Originally I felt a little - 'well is that it? All these years and the finale seemed almost low key'. But then I really thought about it and felt it was so in keeping with the show.

The quality of writing has just been consistently high throughout and it stayed true to the very end.

I'm glad Walter admitted to Skylar that he'd done it for him and that he'd enjoyed it. There's no getting around the fact he became a despicable character as the show progressed but I still couldn't help but feel sad thinking of what he used to be like, and how his life went totally down the shitter in a number of years.

I'd say my only disappointment is that I feel as though Jesse took quite a back seat in the past couple of episodes and I'm a bit gutted that he was resigned to slave/prisoner status for a while. When he was finally saved and freed I was so relieved but I feel as though I'd almost lost my connection to him. I didn't feel as emotional about it as I thought I would.

Either way, what a t.v show. Incredible.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 2:40:17 PM   
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Perfect end to the show. Walt finally admitted what a selfish prick he is and, for once, was selfless- saving Jesse, identifying Hank's gravesite and removing the dark forces that threatened his family. We didn't need some huge argument between him and Jesse to end the series - Jesse's refusal to kill him/follow his orders was enough. I'm so glad there wasn't a montage showing what happened to them all - ultimately, this was Walt's story and it fittingly ended with him. Gilligan gave him some form of redemption in these last two episodes.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 7:06:49 PM   
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Great end to a terrific season...the best season I'd say but maybe because it's still so fresh in the mind.

I don't think it's in the same bracket as The Wire or The Sopranos as I think some of the pacing wasn't quite right...the Heisenberg legend arose all too quickly with no real basis other than hearsay from a few crooks/meth heads/dealers.

That said, it's still one of the greatest shows of all time.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 7:54:02 PM   
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SPOILERY SPOILER THINGS....


I thought Walts death was a bit mundane (although the way the DEA agents swarmed past his body without a second glance was oddly fitting) but otherwise, a pretty damn good finale.

So many damaged lives left behind...  I think there's a follow-up show there.  And not the crap idea about the early years of Saul...

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 8:20:17 PM   
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quote:

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SPOILERY SPOILER THINGS....


[...](although the way the DEA agents swarmed past his body without a second glance was oddly fitting)[...]


as I recall there was at least one of them who stopped to check his pulse.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 8:50:33 PM   
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BIG FUCKING SPOILERS.






It was prett damn great. Nice and straightforward, not adding in twists and turns to cause gasps, just solid storytelling and acting, wrapping up the world we've been watching pretty perfectly. Was it the greatest episode of Breaking Bad? No. But it did exactly what we needed it to, it brought everything together and closed it all off without over doing it. Would I have liked a little more Jessie? Definately, but his explosive emotion as he got his freedom and sped away was great. The silent moment between Jessie and Walt before he go in the car..... Perfect. Walts final moments with Holly and Skylar, the confession of his motivation and his final look at Flynn were all great. I love that he never got that redemptie moment with Flynn, but was allowed a moment with Holly. I love that he didnt want to hear Uncle Jack out and discuss the whereabouts of the money. I loved how he exaggerated his mythical Heisenberg persona while intimitading The Schwartz's - it was so melodramatic and OTT in its descriptiveness, it was perfectly played by Walt to get what he wanted, and it was a brilliant contrast to how he really goes about his criminal activity. Lived the shonof the ricin disolving into Lydias tea. Loved Meth Damon getting choked by Jessie. Loved Walts reveal of Hank's burial site. Just so many great moments that fit perfectly. Walt building the machine gun remote and rig (did Walt just build a robot? I really hope that was an intentional call back to my fave ever Jessie moment - "A robot?!?!"). Really fucking good.

So, one question I have. Thoughts on the 'Woodwork' scene?

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 9:13:48 PM   
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quote:

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So, one question I have. Thoughts on the 'Woodwork' scene?


I took it as a behavioural therapy thing. Maybe an exercise he learned in rehab.

I'm not really thinking about the content of the episode. Savouring instead the natural melancholy of it being over. The final 2 minutes. The song choice and that camera pull back was fantastic, and a beautiful shot. Am I reading into it too much to suggest the lighting on Walt was intended to make him looking like blue meth crystal from the ceiling?



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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 9:19:50 PM   
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I don't think it's in the same bracket as The Wire or The Sopranos as I think some of the pacing wasn't quite right...the Heisenberg legend arose all too quickly with no real basis other than hearsay from a few crooks/meth heads/dealers.

That said, it's still one of the greatest shows of all time.


Haven't seen the wire but for me it was considerable better than the Sopranos IMO. There was a similar level of quality, but far greater emotional connection with the characters.

The best show of all time for me.

The finale was very straightforward and a bit to neat, but I loved how it gave a fitting send off to WW and didn't compromise. His family was still destroyed and his son hated him, but he went out on his own terms and it wasn't 'all for nothing'

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 9:21:51 PM   
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So, one question I have. Thoughts on the 'Woodwork' scene?

I just put it down to him dreaming about making something for Brock

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 9:21:55 PM   
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Are we assuming spoilers for the finale, yeah?

Just saying to be clear - SPOILERS FOR THE FINALE FOLLOW. YOU CARRY ON READING AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINALE, TOUGH FUCKING SHIT.








Ok, so yeah, we're assuming that Jesse didn't drive straight into the oncoming police cars, right?

Also, poor Huell. Still waiting in that room.

But yeah, that was pretty much the perfect finale.




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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 9:27:06 PM   
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I enjoyed it as a mid-level episode, but I don't know if it was the perfect finale. I get the argument about simplicity that people are referring to, but it felt like the script kind of moved from thing to thing without much time for all the characters to really get the payoff they deserved - there was never any closure for Marie (which was odd considering she developed into a much more prominent character in the final half season particularly), and the happy ending for Jesse felt like it needed to be developed further considering the horror he's gone through. What we got felt rushed, which was indicative of Jesse being largely marginalised by second half of S5. Loved the scene where he definitively showed himself to be free of Walt's control though.

Regarding Walt - I'm not sure how comfortable I am with basically scoring an undisputed victory and dying on his own terms. He beat the Aryans, left his family with (fat) stacks of cash, got one over on Elliot and Gretchen, etc. He even managed to beat Hank by dying before the police could get him, just as he said he would in Blood Money. Ultimately the two major consequences he faced for his actions - no longer being a part of his family's life and not getting to see his daughter grow up - would have happened anyway if he never cooked meth and died of cancer years ago. I think there was an underlying part of me that was rooting to Walt (I did a kind of mental fist pump at the end of Granite State), but nonetheless it felt kind of off since the show has made us come to hate him by this stage. He probably got his true comeuppance in Ozymandias and this was more of an epilogue, but it felt slightly askew to have such a morally ambiguous ending in a show that was never really about moral ambiguity the same way some of its peers were.

There were great moments though - all of which were the slower character moments that the episode didn't have enough of. Walt telling Skyler that he did it for himself, the whole scene with the Schwartzes (not surprising in the event, but surprising enough in the execution to satisfy me), Jack's death mirroring Hank's except for being a wuss and half the man Hank was, and that final scene in the lab. Whatever about what didn't work about the episode, those final few moments were absolutely perfect and summarised what the character was about in such elegantly simple terms.

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So, one question I have. Thoughts on the 'Woodwork' scene?


Jesse talks about making a wooden box for his mother in Kafkaesque, which he traded for weed instead of giving to her. A neat little moment that reflected his situation throughout the series, culminating in the slavery stuff - his craftsmanship being employed towards an intersection of drugs and commerce.

(edited because I had a brainfart on the episode title.)

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 9:28:14 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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So, one question I have. Thoughts on the 'Woodwork' scene?

I just put it down to him dreaming about making something for Brock



It was a call back to a story he told in his meetings. i cant find the whole scene on youtube. but i found the audio over some call of duty. randomly.

http://youtu.be/ShtkH3ZCXEA

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 9:45:06 PM   
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A fitting end to an excellent series. Everything nicely wrapped up. Been playing 'Baby Blue' all night, a fitting end piece to play out for Walt, I had tears in my eyes during that scene.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 9:49:24 PM   
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I possibly enjoyed Jesse garotting Todd more than is healthy, but fuck yeah, Albuquerque rage, yo!

A very well executed, if not entirely unexpected ending, very pleased with it. More thoughts later when my brain's calmed down.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 10:06:46 PM   
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Amazing ending to an amazing show.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 30/9/2013 10:13:08 PM   
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I have to stop listening to Baby Blue. Been listening to it all day.

I don't know if people will revisit the series as much as..?, because of how everything fell into place and we got the closure most of us wanted. But just for the sheer quality of cinematography/acting/writing I think I will be doing a rerun in a couple of months...or so

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 1/10/2013 9:15:17 AM   
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I get the argument about simplicity that people are referring to, but it felt like the script kind of moved from thing to thing without much time for all the characters to really get the payoff they deserved - there was never any closure for Marie (which was odd considering she developed into a much more prominent character in the final half season particularly), and the happy ending for Jesse felt like it needed to be developed further considering the horror he's gone through.


I see Marie's closure as getting Hank's body back and knowing that the men responsible for his death all met a violent end themselves, including her brother-in-law. As for Jesse, his emotional reaction was perfectly understanding, considering he had escaped his slavery and, as you say, shown Walt that he was his own man. I wonder how much of that was also due to his knowing that Walt himself was a dead man walking.

As for the box scene, here's Jesse's response from Kafkaesque when he was asked what he wold do if he could do anything he wanted.

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Jesse Pinkman: I took this vo-tech class in high school, woodworking. I took a lot of vo-tech classes, because it was just big jerk-off, but this one time I had this teacher by the name of... Mr... Mr. Pike. I guess he was like a Marine or something before he got old. He was hard hearing. My project for his class was to make this wooden box. You know, like a small, just like a... like a box, you know, to put stuff in. So I wanted to get the thing done as fast as possible. I figured I could cut classes for the rest of the semester and he couldn't flunk me as long as I, you know, made the thing. So I finished it in a couple days. And it looked pretty lame, but it worked. You know, for putting in or whatnot. So when I showed it to Mr. Pike for my grade, he looked at it and said: "Is that the best you can do?" At first I thought to myself "Hell yeah, bitch. Now give me a D and shut up so I can go blaze one with my boys." I don't know. Maybe it was the way he said it, but... it was like he wasn't exactly saying it sucked. He was just asking me honestly, "Is that all you got?" And for some reason, I thought to myself: "Yeah, man, I can do better." So I started from scratch. I made another, then another. And by the end of the semester, by like box number five, I had built this thing. You should have seen it. It was insane. I mean, I built it out of Peruvian walnut with inlaid zebrawood. It was fitted with pegs, no screws. I sanded it for days, until it was smooth as glass. Then I rubbed all the wood with tung oil so it was rich and dark. It even smelled good. You know, you put nose in it and breathed in, it was... it was perfect.

Group Leader: What happened to the box?

Jesse Pinkman: I... I gave it to my mom.

Group Leader: Nice. You know what I'm gonna say, don't you? It's never too late. They have art co-ops that offer classes, adult extension program at the University.

Jesse Pinkman: You know, I didn't give the box to my mom. I traded it for an ounce of weed.



The duality of Jesse summed up in one excerpt

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 1/10/2013 1:51:07 PM   
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Regarding Walt - I'm not sure how comfortable I am with basically scoring an undisputed victory and dying on his own terms. He beat the Aryans, left his family with (fat) stacks of cash, got one over on Elliot and Gretchen, etc. He even managed to beat Hank by dying before the police could get him, just as he said he would in Blood Money. Ultimately the two major consequences he faced for his actions - no longer being a part of his family's life and not getting to see his daughter grow up - would have happened anyway if he never cooked meth and died of cancer years ago. I think there was an underlying part of me that was rooting to Walt (I did a kind of mental fist pump at the end of Granite State), but nonetheless it felt kind of off since the show has made us come to hate him by this stage. He probably got his true comeuppance in Ozymandias and this was more of an epilogue, but it felt slightly askew to have such a morally ambiguous ending in a show that was never really about moral ambiguity the same way some of its peers were.


I like to think that with the ending they gave something to all the fans.

Those who hated Walt had him admit for the first time he did it all for himself. His son still hated him and his daughter will probably grow up to despise him. They will live comfortable lives but believe it was charity and not him providing for them (which was always very important to him)

Those who were still rooting for him, despite all he had done, saw him triumph one last time, go out on his own terms and even save Jesse.

Often crime does pay, and having any drama about it being some moral story proving otherwise is unrealistic.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 1/10/2013 1:56:14 PM   
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I'd say my only disappointment is that I feel as though Jesse took quite a back seat in the past couple of episodes and I'm a bit gutted that he was resigned to slave/prisoner status for a while. When he was finally saved and freed I was so relieved but I feel as though I'd almost lost my connection to him. I didn't feel as emotional about it as I thought I would.




I think that both 5a and 5b suffered for the fact they were only 8 episodes long. Still brilliant mind you, particularly 5b, but they could have been even better.

The building of the meth empire was rushed in 5a, and in 5b there was basically only Walt for the last few episodes of what had been an ensemble show. If both had been, say, 10 episodes long it would have allowed more time for everyone in these final episodes.

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 1/10/2013 2:02:22 PM   
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I get the argument about simplicity that people are referring to, but it felt like the script kind of moved from thing to thing without much time for all the characters to really get the payoff they deserved - there was never any closure for Marie (which was odd considering she developed into a much more prominent character in the final half season particularly), and the happy ending for Jesse felt like it needed to be developed further considering the horror he's gone through.


I see Marie's closure as getting Hank's body back and knowing that the men responsible for his death all met a violent end themselves, including her brother-in-law. As for Jesse, his emotional reaction was perfectly understanding, considering he had escaped his slavery and, as you say, shown Walt that he was his own man. I wonder how much of that was also due to his knowing that Walt himself was a dead man walking.



I'd be happy with that for Marie if she had remained the largely peripheral character that she was up until S5, but as it is, it felt like a few more minutes were needed. Marie calls Skyler in that scene and she sounds pretty much like how she sounded back in S1 or S2 - obviously it's been a few months since Hank's death, but there was never really any sense of how it affected her beyond a great scene in Ozymandias. So in that sense, Marie's narrative closure is entirely off-screen and implied, which didn't feel right given her prominence in these last number of episodes.

With Jesse, I know we all wanted him to have a happy ending, but that was always wrapped up in the realisation that he could never really have - I can't have been the only one who was taken back to this scene as he was driving away, rather than being unreservedly happy for him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHpeFfBRF8U I think Jesse was generally pushed to the fringes of this final half-season after being the heart of S4/5a, which is one of my main criticisms of an otherwise-brilliant 5b (the whole arc of him being traumatised and numb to everyone that we saw in the first few episodes was done much more effectively over the course of S4 particularly), and it felt a little like this episode kind of fobbed him off with being freed from the Nazis without considering how completely broken he is as a person. Again, this is partially down to what I felt was Walt largely being absolved of the damage he's done to people's lives (though once more, this might be less pronounced when I watch it as a whole with Ozymandias and Granite State demonstrating that stuff). It felt kind of tidy when Walt's life has never been anything but messy.

I am slowly coming round to the idea of Jesse's ending being a happy one since writing that original post though. Maybe it's more fitting that a happy ending for him is one in which he essentially endures, rather than living his ideal life - the box scene functioning as a metaphor for the part of him that refused to die after shooting Gale, after seeing what happened to Drew Sharp, after being enslaved by Nazis, etc etc. I'm not sure yet though.


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