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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 24/9/2013 11:53:07 AM   
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I'm surprised at the amount of people who still think Walt was ever doing it for his family.


To his credit, he was willing to give up all $80M for Hank’s life, with no hesitation whatsoever. Not even a blood relative.

And even at this point, he’s trying to get what money he can to his family.

You’ve pretty much nailed the complexities of his character but I feel there was always part of Walt that had his family in mind. How much at any given time would be open to debate and at times his pride/anger certainly tipped the balance away from them… but it was always there for me and still is.

If he’s going to die (and he probably will) he has to decide how to accept that fate, as Walter Hartwell White (what little amount is left), or as Heisenberg. After the call to Jr and his anger at Gretchen’s comments (the man we knew is gone) I think it’s Walt coming back to NM.

And if we’re reading into this:



Walt left him behind…


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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 24/9/2013 12:05:53 PM   
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Excellent episode again. Next week can't come soon enough.

With regards to the money. Saul made it clear they will be watching Skyler like a hawk so even if he somehow got her money undetected, she can't spend it. He did say that handing himself in along with the drug money would be favourable for Skyler, perhaps he will do this when he has the $80m, but I doubt it.

I have a feeling that Jesse will kill himself after being rescued by Walt. Perhaps Walt will give him the gun to kill him but instead Jesse will turn it on himself. He is a broken man with nothing to live for and little desire to keep going as evident by his depression early on in the season.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 24/9/2013 1:05:17 PM   
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For anyone following the theory that Walt is absorbing traits of people he has killed, he now takes no ice in his drink. Like Mike.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 24/9/2013 3:17:31 PM   
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Heartbreaking. I was hoping for some kind of redemption or life for Jesse, but theres barely anything left unless his attachment to Brock is enough to keep him going.

Heartbreaking

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 24/9/2013 4:27:21 PM   
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For anyone following the theory that Walt is absorbing traits of people he has killed, he now takes no ice in his drink. Like Mike.


That started a while ago if memory serves. Think he first did that at Hank’s place, when he got Walt a drink.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 24/9/2013 4:32:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

For anyone following the theory that Walt is absorbing traits of people he has killed, he now takes no ice in his drink. Like Mike.


That started a while ago if memory serves. Think he first did that at Hank’s place, when he got Walt a drink.


Hmm, I never noticed. It just seemed like it was made obvious in the last episode. I'll shut up.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 26/9/2013 1:16:06 PM   
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I can see Jesse riding off into the sunset with Brock and a fat load of money - that would be a happy ending.

Sadly, I can't see this ending well for Walt. Well, I say sadly, he is an awful man, but still, he's my awful man...

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 26/9/2013 4:01:12 PM   
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Once again: amazing episode. Left me in tears and now I am really afraid to see the final one. It's going to be devastating!

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 26/9/2013 7:47:27 PM   
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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 26/9/2013 8:29:32 PM   
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Bad news everyone. I'm moving house this weekend and so won't have the internet until the 9th October! Have to get a friend to get it from an aunt on Monday but I'll only be able to get it from them on Tuesday. It's gutting even having to wait 24 hours.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 26/9/2013 8:52:08 PM   
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Bad news everyone. I'm moving house this weekend and so won't have the internet until the 9th October! Have to get a friend to get it from an aunt on Monday but I'll only be able to get it from them on Tuesday. It's gutting even having to wait 24 hours.

My Aunt was poorly last weekend so had to get YFU's Aunt to visit on Monday, mybe she can visit you?

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 26/9/2013 8:56:16 PM   
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And how did YFU's aunt visit?!

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 26/9/2013 9:02:12 PM   
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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 27/9/2013 12:11:54 PM   
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Loving the new Threadless tshirt!




That would make a cool tattoo in a sugar skull style. If you were inclined to get TV shows tattoo'd on you I suppose. (I know a guy that's got the Lost numbers tattoo'd)

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 27/9/2013 12:52:57 PM   
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So what are everybody's fears for the finale then. I think for me I can handle pretty much anything as long as nothing happens to the baby. That's been a constant fear since she was born to be honest. 

I used to think that a film that would kill off a child was laudably brave but since I've had my own I can't bear it.

I thought I'd be devastated if Jesse died but given what he's been through it could possibly be for the best.  

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 27/9/2013 12:53:54 PM   
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quote:

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Loving the new Threadless tshirt!




That would make a cool tattoo in a sugar skull style. If you were inclined to get TV shows tattoo'd on you I suppose. (I know a guy that's got the Lost numbers tattoo'd)


I posted this on the forum somewhere else but here's the top I got earlier this year -



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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 27/9/2013 2:57:41 PM   
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Nice one!

btw. how are you guys going to watch the finale? wearing breaking bad shirts is essential but we are thinking of buying blue gatorade or anything else that resembles heisenbergs product

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 27/9/2013 7:37:44 PM   
Chief


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief


quote:

ORIGINAL: sharkboy


Loving the new Threadless tshirt!




That would make a cool tattoo in a sugar skull style. If you were inclined to get TV shows tattoo'd on you I suppose. (I know a guy that's got the Lost numbers tattoo'd)


I posted this on the forum somewhere else but here's the top I got earlier this year -




Sweet. I have been tempted with a Los Pollos Hermanos T.

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Nice one!

btw. how are you guys going to watch the finale? wearing breaking bad shirts is essential but we are thinking of buying blue gatorade or anything else that resembles heisenbergs product


Just sitting quietly absorbing it I think. You can actually buy blue meth candy on EBay. A nice gift for other fans.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 27/9/2013 9:04:59 PM   
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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 28/9/2013 10:01:56 AM   
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I will be shaving my head, going back to wearing glasses and growing a goatee...




And I'm growing a tumour to go out with on Halloween!

Awww come on! That's the sort of gallows humour only Breaking Bad fans could like

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 28/9/2013 11:35:59 AM   
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If he’s going to die (and he probably will) he has to decide how to accept that fate, as Walter Hartwell White (what little amount is left), or as Heisenberg. After the call to Jr and his anger at Gretchen’s comments (the man we knew is gone) I think it’s Walt coming back to NM.



To be honest I think the show has outgrown the Walter White/Heisenberg dualism, he's become a much more complex character as the show has gone on. Initially the separate personas come out of the fact that he's living a double life in the first two/three seasons, and the hat and shades are one way for a weedy science teacher to look tough around drug dealers - at that stage, he's still needing to take on the role of 'Heisenberg' because he hasn't fully accepted it yet. But the real achievement of S4/5 (and why I think they're the two best seasons of the show) is to demonstrate how the barrier separating Walt from Heisenberg never really existed in the first place. Heisenberg isn't Walt's dark side or anything like - all of those 'Heisenberg-y' aspects of Walt's personality are there from the beginning and prior to the creation of Heisenberg.

I feel that to continue with the two personalities dichotomy sort of lets Walt off the hook a little bit, in regard to the things he's done. And it takes away the show's potency as a moral story because it implies that Walt's bad tendencies weren't really 'him', when really the potential to be a bad person is always present in him (and in all of us I suppose). It's all about whether or not you let yourself be that bad person.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 28/9/2013 12:46:04 PM   
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If he’s going to die (and he probably will) he has to decide how to accept that fate, as Walter Hartwell White (what little amount is left), or as Heisenberg. After the call to Jr and his anger at Gretchen’s comments (the man we knew is gone) I think it’s Walt coming back to NM.



To be honest I think the show has outgrown the Walter White/Heisenberg dualism, he's become a much more complex character as the show has gone on. Initially the separate personas come out of the fact that he's living a double life in the first two/three seasons, and the hat and shades are one way for a weedy science teacher to look tough around drug dealers - at that stage, he's still needing to take on the role of 'Heisenberg' because he hasn't fully accepted it yet. But the real achievement of S4/5 (and why I think they're the two best seasons of the show) is to demonstrate how the barrier separating Walt from Heisenberg never really existed in the first place. Heisenberg isn't Walt's dark side or anything like - all of those 'Heisenberg-y' aspects of Walt's personality are there from the beginning and prior to the creation of Heisenberg.

I feel that to continue with the two personalities dichotomy sort of lets Walt off the hook a little bit, in regard to the things he's done. And it takes away the show's potency as a moral story because it implies that Walt's bad tendencies weren't really 'him', when really the potential to be a bad person is always present in him (and in all of us I suppose). It's all about whether or not you let yourself be that bad person.


Well said

Walt always had the potential to do the acts he committed, he just didn't have the reason as he wasn't in that world before. There is no 'split' personality only an illustration of the darkness that can be present in even an apparently 'decent' man.


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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 28/9/2013 5:56:55 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pete_traynor
If he’s going to die (and he probably will) he has to decide how to accept that fate, as Walter Hartwell White (what little amount is left), or as Heisenberg. After the call to Jr and his anger at Gretchen’s comments (the man we knew is gone) I think it’s Walt coming back to NM.



To be honest I think the show has outgrown the Walter White/Heisenberg dualism, he's become a much more complex character as the show has gone on. Initially the separate personas come out of the fact that he's living a double life in the first two/three seasons, and the hat and shades are one way for a weedy science teacher to look tough around drug dealers - at that stage, he's still needing to take on the role of 'Heisenberg' because he hasn't fully accepted it yet. But the real achievement of S4/5 (and why I think they're the two best seasons of the show) is to demonstrate how the barrier separating Walt from Heisenberg never really existed in the first place. Heisenberg isn't Walt's dark side or anything like - all of those 'Heisenberg-y' aspects of Walt's personality are there from the beginning and prior to the creation of Heisenberg.

I feel that to continue with the two personalities dichotomy sort of lets Walt off the hook a little bit, in regard to the things he's done. And it takes away the show's potency as a moral story because it implies that Walt's bad tendencies weren't really 'him', when really the potential to be a bad person is always present in him (and in all of us I suppose). It's all about whether or not you let yourself be that bad person.


Yep, completely agree, the "split" is just that, an abstraction to be put between inverted commas.

Apart from the totem items of hat and glasses I think the first time we saw what we call Heisenberg is when he punches the hand drier in the hospital and then soon after when he's forcing tequila on Walt Jnr. I viewed it as though he had come so close to death (the broken RV episode in the desert) he had resigned himself to imminent death, had accumulated so much steel just to accept it than when he got the all clear he had no where for that steel to go. And it's been leaking out in sentiments of bitterness and pride and that's what we recognise as Heisenberg. The writing makes it a logical, sane and natural psychological growth. It's not Tyler Durden.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 28/9/2013 9:08:09 PM   
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I have decided to dress in all black for the final Breaking Bad episode. I'm serious.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 28/9/2013 10:45:53 PM   
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Something just popped into my head... I watch BB on Netflix and I believe that the final episode will stream there from Midnight on Sunday...

Correct me if I've got this wrong (it could well be the case, I've had a few beers), but doesn't that mean I can watch it a couple of hours in advance of the official US Premier on whatever network it shows on over there?

That can't be right...

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RE: Breaking Bad - US Speed - 29/9/2013 1:52:42 AM   
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And I'm growing a tumour to go out with on Halloween!

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 29/9/2013 2:07:32 AM   
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Something just popped into my head... I watch BB on Netflix and I believe that the final episode will stream there from Midnight on Sunday...

Correct me if I've got this wrong (it could well be the case, I've had a few beers), but doesn't that mean I can watch it a couple of hours in advance of the official US Premier on whatever network it shows on over there?

That can't be right...


Nope. It's been going up around 9am on Monday mornings, so you've a few hours to wait.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 29/9/2013 7:50:29 PM   
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Something just popped into my head... I watch BB on Netflix and I believe that the final episode will stream there from Midnight on Sunday...

Correct me if I've got this wrong (it could well be the case, I've had a few beers), but doesn't that mean I can watch it a couple of hours in advance of the official US Premier on whatever network it shows on over there?

That can't be right...


Nope. It's been going up around 9am on Monday mornings, so you've a few hours to wait.


Ah, must have had wrong information. Sorry.

Anybody been watching those TALKING BAD shows on Netflix (not sure if they're showing up anywhere else)?  Vince Gilligan always gives tiny little spoilers for the forthcoming episode and his spoiler for the last episode is just one word... 'WOODWORK'.

In the last few hours before BB ends for good, anybody got any theories about what that might mean?



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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 3:42:00 AM   
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They stuck the landing! Great ending. You will not be disappointed.

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RE: Breaking Bad starting on Five USA - 30/9/2013 5:35:00 AM   
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