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RE: The Hobbit - 30/7/2012 4:49:45 PM   
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RE: The Hobbit - 30/7/2012 4:59:34 PM   
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 I'm non too sure on that announcement - I'd have much preferred just 2 films.

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RE: The Hobbit - 30/7/2012 5:56:22 PM   
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RE: The Hobbit - 30/7/2012 6:23:03 PM   
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 One film would have done. You know, like the book.

The idea of another story being created out of extended footage and possible reshoots sounds a bit like undisciplined storytelling to me.

There's bound to be a lot of froth for what should be such a simple story. Leave it on the cutting room floor, don't shape a final film out of it.

As good as the LOTR films were, I think Jackson can be a bit of a reckless editor sometimes. There were many narrative threads which felt awfully clunky throughout the trilogy. Even edits to the scripts. I remember watching the extensive behind the scenes footage seeing decisions being made like, 'we felt Aragorn needed to nearly die at this point', 'we felt the Elves should come and help out at this point' or 'we thought a fitting end to the character of Saruman would have slowed the film down' which just seemed so jarring and not very fluid.

I have a feeling this will be not unlike the Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions.

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RE: The Hobbit - 30/7/2012 6:43:59 PM   
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RE: The Hobbit - 30/7/2012 6:45:31 PM   
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Three films?


Pretty much exactly what my reaction was. Jackson has lost it really, he hasn't made a good film since LotR and with this news of him apparently over-egging the Hobbit pudding it seems he's in danger of turning into a Lucas. It's little more than a novella, I thought he was taking the piss with 2 films but with 3? I can see it being crammed with a load of awful navel-gazing filler. Alas for Guillermo son of Federico! Thy sure vision would have been most welcome.

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RE: The Hobbit - 31/7/2012 4:49:14 AM   
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 This looks like a family film and completely the opposite of what made LOTR great.

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RE: The Hobbit - 31/7/2012 9:29:45 AM   
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This looks like a family film and completely the opposite of what made LOTR great.


To be fair, The Hobbit is a children's book.

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RE: The Hobbit - 31/7/2012 10:32:54 AM   
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 While I’m in total agreement that 3 films seems too much at present, I’m not sure that all this talk of the Hobbits content justifying screen time is actually all that relevant. This was always going to incorporate much more from this period than what is covered in the Hobbit. They said early on they would be drawing on the appendices of LotR to create a fuller story. Early on there was to be a bridge film, dedicated to nothing except the period between the Hobbit and LotR. So perhaps this will be the basic make up of the 3rd film.

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This looks like a family film and completely the opposite of what made LOTR great.


As many have pointed out, this is a children’s book and as such Jackson has spoken about the problems this presents with his adaptations to date. They have had to add to the narrative and alter the tone a lot in order to make this work as a prequel to LotR. Basically, for this to work as a complete cinematic saga you need to set up LotR and establish a flowing tone that will not seem at odds with the stakes and darkness that are to come. That means no fighting spiders with songs unfortunately

But they probably need to change the name of film 2 now, as There and Back Again sounds too final for the second act. Domains have been registered for both Riddles in the Dark and the Desolation of Smaug. Films 2 and 3 respectively perhaps? Although they’d have to pad out film 1 to get RitD into film 2 I would think.

While I definitely have my sceptical hat on at the moment, this may turn out to be a good idea in the long run.

Or, it may just be purely for the financial skank!


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RE: The Hobbit - 31/7/2012 3:02:58 PM   
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While I’m in total agreement that 3 films seems too much at present, I’m not sure that all this talk of the Hobbits content justifying screen time is actually all that relevant. This was always going to incorporate much more from this period than what is covered in the Hobbit. They said early on they would be drawing on the appendices of LotR to create a fuller story. Early on there was to be a bridge film, dedicated to nothing except the period between the Hobbit and LotR. So perhaps this will be the basic make up of the 3rd film.



The Hobbit 3: Revenge of Smaug

The Hobbit 3: Bilbo eats second breakfasts.

Cant say im really all that excited about it. Have no idea where they will go with it. But come a trailer I will be all smiles

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RE: The Hobbit - 31/7/2012 3:38:09 PM   
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Maybe he is losing the plot, it might at least explain his unwavering support for convicted Child Murderers!?...

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RE: The Hobbit - 31/7/2012 3:56:14 PM   
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This was always going to incorporate much more from this period than what is covered in the Hobbit. They said early on they would be drawing on the appendices of LotR to create a fuller story. Early on there was to be a bridge film, dedicated to nothing except the period between the Hobbit and LotR. So perhaps this will be the basic make up of the 3rd film.



The trouble is that there really isn't all that much in the LotR appendices to pad out The Hobbit, and much that could have been used was wasted on LotR itself. Most of it is guff about language & pronunciations, family trees and the like. Unless these Hobbit films are nice 1hr 20min bitesize morsels each I can't see how it isn't going to be a bit of a mess.

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RE: The Hobbit - 31/7/2012 4:05:41 PM   
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quote:

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This was always going to incorporate much more from this period than what is covered in the Hobbit. They said early on they would be drawing on the appendices of LotR to create a fuller story. Early on there was to be a bridge film, dedicated to nothing except the period between the Hobbit and LotR. So perhaps this will be the basic make up of the 3rd film.



The trouble is that there really isn't all that much in the LotR appendices to pad out The Hobbit, and much that could have been used was wasted on LotR itself. Most of it is guff about language & pronunciations, family trees and the like. Unless these Hobbit films are nice 1hr 20min bitesize morsels each I can't see how it isn't going to be a bit of a mess.


Sounds riveting

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RE: The Hobbit - 1/8/2012 10:36:47 AM   
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This was always going to incorporate much more from this period than what is covered in the Hobbit. They said early on they would be drawing on the appendices of LotR to create a fuller story. Early on there was to be a bridge film, dedicated to nothing except the period between the Hobbit and LotR. So perhaps this will be the basic make up of the 3rd film.



The trouble is that there really isn't all that much in the LotR appendices to pad out The Hobbit, and much that could have been used was wasted on LotR itself. Most of it is guff about language & pronunciations, family trees and the like. Unless these Hobbit films are nice 1hr 20min bitesize morsels each I can't see how it isn't going to be a bit of a mess.


Sounds riveting


Indeed

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RE: The Hobbit - 1/8/2012 11:09:18 AM   
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 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Everyone I talk to about the upcoming Hobbit film(s) is severly nonplussed based on the trailers. Don't drop the ball Jackson!

Personall i can't wait but, and I have said it before, those dwarves just don't look right.

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RE: The Hobbit - 4/8/2012 12:23:46 PM   
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 'New' Hobbit Trailer aka Trailer 1.1:~

Trailer

Only 3/4 new shots, but a new one nonetheless.

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RE: The Hobbit - 4/8/2012 12:30:55 PM   
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The Hobbit - 6/8/2012 9:29:51 AM   
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As has been said: I'm confused. Three films...why? I'm sure we'll all look back on these discussions and think 'boy, we got that wrong', but I still can't help but feel they are going a bit overkill with The Hobbit. It's a simple story and not in the same multi-layered, dramatic league as LOTR. I'm curious to see how Jackson handles the tone on screen. A lot of people will go in to this expecting the same drama as LOTR but I'm not so sure it's there. Unless Jackson has worked out a way of shifting the tone.

I don't mind the fact that's it's three films (three films to look forward to!), but I just hope it all works.

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RE: The Hobbit - 6/8/2012 9:39:36 AM   
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Really don't get the reaction to the look of the dwarves? The design is pretty consistent with the look of Gimli from the original trilogy imo.

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RE: The Hobbit - 10/8/2012 9:27:33 AM   
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 Wondering how much is left of Guillermo del Toros ideas...?

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RE: The Hobbit - 10/8/2012 10:01:26 AM   
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Wondering how much is left of Guillermo del Toros ideas...?


Concept art leaked out of one of the ideas for Smaug from GDT’s time on the project and God I hope they have continued down that road. This is definitely a cracking looking dragon!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--DF9oAhgmRc/TlDwLOrb3QI/AAAAAAAABmg/7rs0WW0Ailc/s1600/6a00e550a3fc4c883400e551935cf68833-800wi.jpg

Amazing!


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RE: The Hobbit - 10/8/2012 10:20:07 AM   
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 I cant stop staring at him.
Just ... fantastic!.

I now know if PJ shows up with a classic, red, crockmouth wyvern. I am going to get very angry.



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The Hobbit - 10/8/2012 11:47:31 AM   
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That is a sensational dragon, and very different to what we've seen on screen before.

Let's face it, Smaug is the one thing that everyone is really looking forward to seeing in these films, and Jackson has to deliver something astonishing with it. That drawing is very exciting.

I remember being underwhelmed by the Balrog in Fellowship, though. At the time.

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RE: The Hobbit - 10/8/2012 1:39:56 PM   
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That is a sensational dragon, and very different to what we've seen on screen before.

Let's face it, Smaug is the one thing that everyone is really looking forward to seeing in these films, and Jackson has to deliver something astonishing with it. That drawing is very exciting.

I remember being underwhelmed by the Balrog in Fellowship, though. At the time.


No two ways about it, this is Samug the magnificent at the end of the day and Jackson has to deliver the finest dragon ever committed to film. And I’m sure they know that, they have to absolutely nail him. And if they’ve continued along these lines, there is a good chance they will do just that. We've seen a million and one dragons and most follow the same, recognized principals but that is different. No long snout and his face looks crafty, aged and intelligent… all essential for Smaug.

That deign would be an absolute marvel to behold on screen with the wizards at Weta doing the FX on him.

Purists may be upset as he looks nothing like any of the old illustrations. But it would be a let down to just see yet another movie dragon here. He needs to be totally unique and stunning! One dragon to rule them all if you will… Christ, I can’t believe I wrote that

Hopefully, that design is pinned to a board at Weta somewhere, with a PJ Approved stamp on it.


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RE: The Hobbit - 10/8/2012 4:46:11 PM   
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 Although Benedict Cumberbatch is doing motion-capture for the facial movements - so I reckon that there's gonna be, probably to a minute scale, some sort of resemblance.

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RE: The Hobbit - 11/8/2012 11:51:22 AM   
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 A teeny, tiny interview with Barry Humphries:~

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RE: The Hobbit - 11/8/2012 2:18:44 PM   
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Let's face it, Smaug is the one thing that everyone is really looking forward to seeing in these films



Yeah and now we gotta wait 3 years to see it

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RE: The Hobbit - 12/8/2012 2:01:58 AM   
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 Why is there so much dwarf 'comedy' in these clips? Why Peter? Why?

The downfall from LotR has been immense.

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RE: The Hobbit - 12/8/2012 8:45:36 AM   
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if you combine the trailer shown and the little snippets from the blogs you've seen about 2% of the movie so far and already you're saying it's inferior to LOTR? What a fucking moron.

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RE: The Hobbit - 12/8/2012 12:46:59 PM   
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Why is there so much dwarf 'comedy' in these clips? Why Peter? Why?

The downfall from LotR has been immense.


Of what I can remember, the comedy was actually in the book.

EDIT: Also Benedict Cumberbatch did an interview with The Telegraph, where he talks about filming The Hobbit:~

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