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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 9:33:13 AM   
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LOTR has certainly aged badly, action set pieces aside. Never really considered Jackson a great director, I feel his real strength lies in directing visual effects and that's about it. Everything else just feels so bland and safe. There doesn't seem to be any real vision to this, just a regurgitation of the book. It's all so clean.

Sorry to be negative, I'm just a bit bored with it all and thought I'd offer an alternative viewpoint. I can't help wondering what this would have looked like if Del Toro had directed. Nice and dark with plenty of grit I'd expect.

Also - disappointed to see this is in shit 3D. That'll be me giving it a miss then. (voting against 3D at the box office.)

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 9:50:10 AM   
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Oh stop being such a hater. It looked FUCKING AWSOME! and it'll definetly be shown in 2D also as all the major films have I mean even Avatar was released in both formats and as we all know there's no bigger lover of 3D than Cameron, I just pity anyone that puts a film out at the same time.

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 10:33:53 AM   
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Oh stop being such a hater. It looked FUCKING AWSOME! and it'll definetly be shown in 2D also as all the major films have I mean even Avatar was released in both formats and as we all know there's no bigger lover of 3D than Cameron, I just pity anyone that puts a film out at the same time.



I knew I'd be shot down for my opinion. You know people ARE allowed to dislike Peter Jackson movies! And I'm not a hater, thank you very much.

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 10:41:59 AM   
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LOTR has certainly aged badly, action set pieces aside. Never really considered Jackson a great director, I feel his real strength lies in directing visual effects and that's about it. Everything else just feels so bland and safe. There doesn't seem to be any real vision to this, just a regurgitation of the book. It's all so clean.



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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 10:46:28 AM   
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Favourite bit in the trailer for me is the Gandalf and Galadriel shot, be good to see the two of them having a scene together.

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 10:53:15 AM   
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Just posted this in the movie news thread, but with regard to the trailer I have to say I'm underwhelmed.

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 11:27:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

LOTR has certainly aged badly, action set pieces aside. Never really considered Jackson a great director, I feel his real strength lies in directing visual effects and that's about it. Everything else just feels so bland and safe. There doesn't seem to be any real vision to this, just a regurgitation of the book. It's all so clean.



Care to expand on this?



Sure.

While the LOTR trilogy and probably The Hobbit series will be exciting event movies, I feel Jackson's style lacks auteurship, in that his Tolkien movies seem to follow the rails of the books, and his task seems to be simply joining the dots.

I'm not for one moment dismissing the huge amount of care and attention he lavishes these films, the amount of work put into making them is clearly enormous. But I can't help but feel it's all a bit too clear and lacks depth. Most locations feel the same, whether it's an Elvish city, a Dwarf mine or a Hobbit village.

Comparing his directing style to Spielberg, Fincher, Mann and other directors who's films have a very distinct look and feel, I just think Jackson's strength lies in production and visual effects, not in helming the entire film.

Don't misunderstand me, I think there are some astonishing moments in the LOTR trilogy, but they are mostly set pieces. I think most of the appeal of these films lies, like Potter, in people's enjoyment of seeing the beloved book being brought to life on screen. But does that make a great film in its own right? I don't think it necessarily does.

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 12:48:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

I can't help wondering what this would have looked like if Del Toro had directed. Nice and dark with plenty of grit I'd expect.


Why does everything have to be dark and gritty? The Hobbit is a childrens book and from what I remember is more lighthearted than Lord of the Rings and the trailer seems to have the tone nailed. I'm sure Del Toro would have done an incredible job and brought a different visual style but I'm happy Jackson is directing.

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 12:56:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jrewing1000


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

LOTR has certainly aged badly, action set pieces aside. Never really considered Jackson a great director, I feel his real strength lies in directing visual effects and that's about it. Everything else just feels so bland and safe. There doesn't seem to be any real vision to this, just a regurgitation of the book. It's all so clean.



Care to expand on this?



Sure.

While the LOTR trilogy and probably The Hobbit series will be exciting event movies, I feel Jackson's style lacks auteurship, in that his Tolkien movies seem to follow the rails of the books, and his task seems to be simply joining the dots.

I'm not for one moment dismissing the huge amount of care and attention he lavishes these films, the amount of work put into making them is clearly enormous. But I can't help but feel it's all a bit too clear and lacks depth. Most locations feel the same, whether it's an Elvish city, a Dwarf mine or a Hobbit village.

Comparing his directing style to Spielberg, Fincher, Mann and other directors who's films have a very distinct look and feel, I just think Jackson's strength lies in production and visual effects, not in helming the entire film.

Don't misunderstand me, I think there are some astonishing moments in the LOTR trilogy, but they are mostly set pieces. I think most of the appeal of these films lies, like Potter, in people's enjoyment of seeing the beloved book being brought to life on screen. But does that make a great film in its own right? I don't think it necessarily does.


I would disagree with this - for one thing the films do take liberties with the books - indeed for the better in many cases. And Jackson does have a visual style - if you watch the films leading up to the LOTR there is a constant mix of steady cam moves, trackign shots and handheld, often thrown in at the same time.

I think with regard to the locations, some will be similar - and Elf forest city is going to be similar to and Elf castle in many ways. But you look at Gondor and Rohan and there is a distinct visual difference.

The visual effects sequences - huge parts of FOTR barely have action - it isn't an action heavy movie, esp in comparison to the later two films.

I think it is a little unfair to suggest that Jacksons directing is weak, these films were a huge undertaking - far bigger than anything the three directors you have mentioned, have ever tried to do.

Is Jackson an auteur? Well only if you believe that theory. I don't - and to be honest, from looking at the extras, neither does he really. Each of the films has a different editor for instance, and that creates a distinct feel for each film. That was a choice employed by Jackson - which in turn can make people feel that his directing isn't consistent  - but it is the editing which is what changes.


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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 1:31:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

quote:

ORIGINAL: jrewing1000


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quote:

ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

LOTR has certainly aged badly, action set pieces aside. Never really considered Jackson a great director, I feel his real strength lies in directing visual effects and that's about it. Everything else just feels so bland and safe. There doesn't seem to be any real vision to this, just a regurgitation of the book. It's all so clean.



Care to expand on this?



Sure.

While the LOTR trilogy and probably The Hobbit series will be exciting event movies, I feel Jackson's style lacks auteurship, in that his Tolkien movies seem to follow the rails of the books, and his task seems to be simply joining the dots.

I'm not for one moment dismissing the huge amount of care and attention he lavishes these films, the amount of work put into making them is clearly enormous. But I can't help but feel it's all a bit too clear and lacks depth. Most locations feel the same, whether it's an Elvish city, a Dwarf mine or a Hobbit village.

Comparing his directing style to Spielberg, Fincher, Mann and other directors who's films have a very distinct look and feel, I just think Jackson's strength lies in production and visual effects, not in helming the entire film.

Don't misunderstand me, I think there are some astonishing moments in the LOTR trilogy, but they are mostly set pieces. I think most of the appeal of these films lies, like Potter, in people's enjoyment of seeing the beloved book being brought to life on screen. But does that make a great film in its own right? I don't think it necessarily does.


I would disagree with this - for one thing the films do take liberties with the books - indeed for the better in many cases. And Jackson does have a visual style - if you watch the films leading up to the LOTR there is a constant mix of steady cam moves, trackign shots and handheld, often thrown in at the same time.

I think with regard to the locations, some will be similar - and Elf forest city is going to be similar to and Elf castle in many ways. But you look at Gondor and Rohan and there is a distinct visual difference.

The visual effects sequences - huge parts of FOTR barely have action - it isn't an action heavy movie, esp in comparison to the later two films.

I think it is a little unfair to suggest that Jacksons directing is weak, these films were a huge undertaking - far bigger than anything the three directors you have mentioned, have ever tried to do.

Is Jackson an auteur? Well only if you believe that theory. I don't - and to be honest, from looking at the extras, neither does he really. Each of the films has a different editor for instance, and that creates a distinct feel for each film. That was a choice employed by Jackson - which in turn can make people feel that his directing isn't consistent  - but it is the editing which is what changes.




Fair enough. But I never said Jackson's directing is weak and I acknowledged the huge amount of work. I just think it lacks a certain quality that shines through in other director's work.

Always going to be a point of debate. I did enjoy LOTR but I wouldn't call it a classic. Maybe I'm knee-jerking against all this 'Jackson-worship' that seems to be happening from my point of view.

Interesting about the editors - I didn't know that.

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RE: The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 2:17:30 PM   
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Awesome teaser! I love how they've rendered Over the Misty Mountains Cold. Made it so much more haunting than you read it in the book.


It really reminds me of the Mist and Shadow song Pippin sings in ROTK, somber, haunting and beautiful. And the full version of it? Magnificent. Howard Shore, back in Middle-Earth is a hell of a good thing.

I loved the trailer. It wasn't what I was expecting at all, I was expecting quick cuts from both films and maybe a tag similar to the trilogy's one of the Fellowship walking over the hill with the titles and release dates fading in and out. But it does a really good job of setting up tone, character and Bilbo himself. Feels similar enough to LOTR but yet also slightly more whimsical. It does a really good job of presenting the dwarves as both comical and serious. And Thorin came across brilliantly.

Jackson's used just the right amount of big shots for the fans - Galadriel, Nasril (I smiled like a stupid person at that), Gollum in the dark, Bilbo and Frodo - whilst holding plenty back.

I disagree that the trailer shows the two stories have been awkwardly mushed together - Over the Misty Mountains Cold and Thorin/Gandalf & Gandalf/Bilbo's frank exchanges about the danger he's in set a tone of adventure with the element of danger and something not being right and the scenes of Gandalf investigating what looks like Dol Guldur and Galadriel comforting him fit well with that. I don't think they'd stand out at all if you were unaware about the extra material and its inclusion.

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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. - 21/12/2011 3:07:49 PM   
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I`ve just seen the first trailer and I have to be honest from that footage it doesn`t look that exciting compared to the perfect previous Lord of the Rings Trilogy. No sign of any monsters, epic battles or orcs or how they came into being. I haven`t read any of the books so I don`t know if their are any or not but it just doesn`t look that exciting but its early yet and their maybe be better footage to come. Having said all that I will of course see it in 3D day one in a years time. 

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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. - 21/12/2011 4:05:18 PM   
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I`ve just seen the first trailer and I have to be honest from that footage it doesn`t look that exciting compared to the perfect previous Lord of the Rings Trilogy. No sign of any monsters, epic battles or orcs or how they came into being. I haven`t read any of the books so I don`t know if their are any or not but it just doesn`t look that exciting but its early yet and their maybe be better footage to come. Having said all that I will of course see it in 3D day one in a years time. 


The Hobbit has plenty of action in it with two major set pieces that I wont go into full detail. The only difference between LOTR and the Hobbit is the level of detail in The Hobbit- it is a childrens story. However, some events within have huge, huge scope, as big as what was seen in LOTR!

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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. - 21/12/2011 4:09:32 PM   
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I`ve just seen the first trailer and I have to be honest from that footage it doesn`t look that exciting compared to the perfect previous Lord of the Rings Trilogy. No sign of any monsters, epic battles or orcs or how they came into being. I haven`t read any of the books so I don`t know if their are any or not but it just doesn`t look that exciting but its early yet and their maybe be better footage to come. Having said all that I will of course see it in 3D day one in a years time. 


Bear in mind that they're still filming (and a lot of the big action stuff is being done on location which they've only just started doing). And the first LOTR trailer didn't have that much action or monsters (it did have a big shot of a CGI Uruk-Hai army but that was from the CGI tests rather than the film).

Don't worry. There will be monsters (there's a glimpse of trolls in the trailer) and orcs/goblins and epic battles come the films.

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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. - 21/12/2011 4:25:41 PM   
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Seeing Galadriel being so close with Gandalf makes me wonder if that's why Celeborn "much desired to speak with him" in Fellowship...

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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. - 21/12/2011 4:44:08 PM   
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Seeing Galadriel being so close with Gandalf makes me wonder if that's why Celeborn "much desired to speak with him" in Fellowship...


I thought exactly the same thing when I saw it as well!

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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. - 21/12/2011 4:48:15 PM   
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I`ve just seen the first trailer and I have to be honest from that footage it doesn`t look that exciting compared to the perfect previous Lord of the Rings Trilogy. No sign of any monsters, epic battles or orcs or how they came into being. I haven`t read any of the books so I don`t know if their are any or not but it just doesn`t look that exciting but its early yet and their maybe be better footage to come. Having said all that I will of course see it in 3D day one in a years time. 


Bear in mind that they're still filming (and a lot of the big action stuff is being done on location which they've only just started doing). And the first LOTR trailer didn't have that much action or monsters (it did have a big shot of a CGI Uruk-Hai army but that was from the CGI tests rather than the film).

Don't worry. There will be monsters (there's a glimpse of trolls in the trailer) and orcs/goblins and epic battles come the films.


Good. Much as I love hobbits and Gandalf I`d be bored ridgid for 3 hours if that`s all there is.

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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. - 21/12/2011 4:56:47 PM   
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Seeing Galadriel being so close with Gandalf makes me wonder if that's why Celeborn "much desired to speak with him" in Fellowship...



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RE: - 21/12/2011 5:32:18 PM   
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So who is Gandalf fighting in the ruins? 'Necromancer' or some crazy minion? Drunk dwarf perhaps?

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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 5:53:40 PM   
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So who is Gandalf fighting in the ruins? *Poss Spoilers* 'Necromancer' *Spoilers* or some crazy minion? Drunk dwarf perhaps?


I'm non-to-sure, but people have been suggesting that it's *Poss Spoilers*the Necromancer.*Spoilers*


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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 6:40:31 PM   
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Looks like a random minion / creature to me.

As for the trailer, not that exciting. I think because I remembered this is going to be split into two movies.

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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 6:41:55 PM   
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POSSIBLE SPOILERS




Folk are saying to could be Thrain,Thorins father who was imprisoned at Dol Gudur and as a result has gone batshit crazy.

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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 6:49:41 PM   
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Just a quick note, DanBo - you may want to edit your post for spoilers for those not familiar with the story.



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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 6:52:26 PM   
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Which sounds pretty stupid. Thrain is just about dead when Gandalf finds him locked in a dungeon from I remember, no fighting. 

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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 6:58:03 PM   
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Jacksons does like messing about with Tolkien so who knows?

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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 7:02:32 PM   
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Noted,i forget that not everyone has read it the fools.

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RE: RE: - 21/12/2011 7:28:29 PM   
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Noted,i forget that not everyone has read it the fools.


Indeed.

Must say, I got quite emotional watching the trailer as my (late) father read The Hobbit to me as a child, so seeing it come to life as it were was quite a thing of beauty

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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - 21/12/2011 8:26:20 PM   
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RE: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - 22/12/2011 2:28:33 AM   
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Lol at all the Star Wars fanboys slagging off The Hobbit on the internet. They're just angry our films are made of more awesome.

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