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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 14/6/2011 10:43:27 PM   
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Villa fans shouldn't have chased off McClaren, it would be very funny if they ended up with AM.




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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 17/6/2011 6:08:29 PM   
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Well it's happened. It makes absolutely no sense but it's happened and we've just got to deal with it. At least he's got Premier League experience. I'll just try to forget that in the two and a half seasons of Premier League experience he's got, he managed to get relegated twice

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 17/6/2011 10:53:09 PM   
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The managerial merry-go-round that Villa are running seems quite odd to me.

First we had Martinez, snubbing Villa. Setting aside the fact that he nearly took Wigan down, I'd have thought this would have been a good move for both manager and club. I don't see Randy Lerner as a hire 'em, fire 'em manager and I'd have thought Martinez would have had the chance to build something at Villa, whereas the pressure at Wigan is always going to be to unearth good players for cheap, sell them on for profit and skirt relegation. In any case, everyone seemed to come out of it looking adult and responsible.

So, if the rumours of McLeish to Villa are to be true, its like Villa have decided that being Mr Nice Guy don't work, so let's go right the other way. I guess my questions are a) is it fair that Villa is immediately associated with every manager who quits his job. And b) though I know that manager and player contracts are different, if McLeish did end up joining Villa, would the Villa hierarchy be chuffed if the likes of Young or Downing resigned as a player then took a job with another club a bit after that and no money changed hands.

I don't pretend to understand the rivalry in the area, but it would appear to me that McLeish would be a good appointment for Villa. He's won stuff at both Rangers and Birmingham, and his teams might not be the most thrilling in the world, but he'll make Villa a tight unit. I guess what would scare me is not McLeish's history at Birmingham (after all he was never a player there and his method of resignation was pretty mercenary), but the idea that he might decide to bring a few players with him, making Villa Birmingham in disguise.

Forgive me for saying so, but I don't think anyone but the most rose-tinted of Villa fans can consider the club as anything but a once big club who are now a top half of the Premiership Table team. If, for the sake of argument, you are to take a top 6 in the Premiership based on recent spending and performance (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Tottenham). Then below that you have Everton and Villa, who I'd rank similarly slightly above other teams. So, the realistic challenge for a manager is really a top 8 finish and a cup run.


Not a chance. His style of football is woeful, Birmingham were one of the most negative teams ever to grace the Prem in the season just gone. He simply (regardless of being Ex Blues) is not good enough for Villa.

What bothers me is all the media nonsense being spouted that Lerner didn't approach McLaren because he listened to the fans (if he's that much of a pushover then he's not the man for the job-ergo that story was utter crap), also that Martinez turned us down? how could he if he never even spoke to us-again nonsense. He chose to be committed to Wigan (fair play to him) & Whelan shouted his mouth off to get some free publicity.

Villa under Lerner, like to do their business privately. The only facts we have are that Villa are managerless & we'll know who the next boss is when he's finally unveiled signing on the dotted line.



Oh well, he's here now so will have to accept & see what he can do. Was hoping for Foster & Dann before all this news started, at least we've got a bit more weight to entice them to join aswell now.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 18/6/2011 1:02:13 AM   
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McLeish is a legend up my way. There are very few who still could be after managing Rangers and abandoning Scotland. That's what winning about a dozen trophies, including two European ones gets you. Then you add in the 70-odd caps and 3 world cups with Scotland.

As a manager he's seemed to follow the same pattern:

Start of really well - getting the best out of players already there when he arrived. 2nd with Motherwell. Decent with hibs. Any old muppet can win stuff with Celtic and Rengers these days. Then he did well with Scotland - winning in Paris was amazing - before p!ssing off when some diddy English club came sniffing about.

Same at Brum. Decent with what he had. Then some properly shady signings.

Just don't let him choose who to sign and you'll be fine. Till something better comes along. Then he'll bail. Again.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 25/6/2011 1:05:36 PM   
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Well Young's gone. Cheers Ashley. Good luck and thank you for this:

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 7/7/2011 11:16:34 AM   
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Is it wishful thinking to hope that Eck plays at the very least two upfront?

It's hard to avoid the possibility of him potentially transferring the strategy of a 4-5-1 Birmingham City side to our lot. Hopefully just nerves and I'll be proven wrong.

I guess the friendlies organised could potentially be an insight into his approach. I'm praying he don't send out sides to play deep - as last season demonstrated we cannot do that and need to take the game to the opposition. Surely our victories over Arsenal and Liverpool last season had something to do with the change in emphasis to a more free-flowing 4-3-3 style.

With Ash gone, I think keeping Downing is integral. Considering he's not come out publicly expressing his wish to move, I reckon he's contemplating one more season to see how things go under McLeish. That, or he'll leave for Anfield in the eleventh hour in the same manner Milner did.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 14/7/2011 11:16:08 AM   
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Downing deal with Liverpool all but done.

Another 20 million in the kitty - hopefully we'll strengthen with a left-sided supply man for Bent, a new keeper, and a solid central midfielder. I sincerely hope we do replace and strengthen and we don't continue to be the feeder club for the heavy hitters of the PL.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 15/7/2011 3:54:54 PM   
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Downing deal with Liverpool all but done.

Another 20 million in the kitty - hopefully we'll strengthen with a left-sided supply man for Bent, a new keeper, and a solid central midfielder. I sincerely hope we do replace and strengthen and we don't continue to be the feeder club for the heavy hitters of the PL.


Good riddance to the mercenary, at least Young had the balls to say from day one that he was looking to move on. Saying he'll stay even if we got relegated, Liverpool are welcome to him.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 16/7/2011 3:04:41 PM   
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Great, now Cuellar bid by Rangers accepted. IMO he's better than Dunne & Collins, if anything, let's cut our losses & get rid of Dunne. Last season he was dreadful for the most part.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 19/7/2011 9:47:59 AM   
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Match sharpness permitting, great signing! I'm still surprised he didn't opt for Spurs or Arsenal if I'm honest.

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan is supposedly holding out for 10M for N'Zogbia after rejecting our first 9M bid - despite only having another year left on his contract. Having said that, we need the replacement out on the wing so I'm sure Whelan will look to milk that situation.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 19/7/2011 12:21:14 PM   
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Match sharpness permitting, great signing! I'm still surprised he didn't opt for Spurs or Arsenal if I'm honest.

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan is supposedly holding out for 10M for N'Zogbia after rejecting our first 9M bid - despite only having another year left on his contract. Having said that, we need the replacement out on the wing so I'm sure Whelan will look to milk that situation.


We can walk away, we shouldn't let Whelan mess around with us again. No-one else has gone in for Zog so Whelan will temporarily have egg on his face.

Just for the record, Whelan is a prick.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 22/7/2011 12:06:38 PM   
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With Young and Downing gone Villa need to make a stronger offer for N'Zogbia, and signing Matt Jarvis wouldn't be a bad move either.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 29/8/2011 9:27:23 AM   
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So, the fans don't like you. Its your first home derby game of the season. What do you do?

Well, from what I could see from the "highlights" you go out and play some of the most drab uninspiring football you can muster. No wonder the place looked half full.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 30/8/2011 12:20:54 PM   
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So, the fans don't like you. Its your first home derby game of the season. What do you do?

Well, from what I could see from the "highlights" you go out and play some of the most drab uninspiring football you can muster. No wonder the place looked half full.


True, but also take into account affordability (this was our 3rd home game in a row-going to a game isn't cheap) & it was on Sky & it was at a ridiculous time of day.

IMO-both teams were solid at the back & neither had enough to break the other team down-we didn't want to lose, neither did Wolves.

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RE: The Aston Villa Thread - 28/9/2011 12:50:13 PM   
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Wigan this weekend & I'm predicting..............................a draw

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RE: The Aston Villa Thread - 1/10/2011 5:06:28 PM   
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What a cracking start to the season! Dare I say it, but our performance against Wigan was convincing!

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RE: The Aston Villa Thread - 17/10/2011 12:29:14 PM   
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Villa v Man City wasn't a match, it was a formality. Football has become so boring now, unless your club has billions then what exactly is the point? There is no excitement like their used to be.

I've had it argued to me "would you like it if Villa won the league after spending millions?"-well obviously I'd love us to win the league, but spending that much to buy the league takes the shine off it completely.

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RE: The Aston Villa Thread - 17/10/2011 12:52:17 PM   
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I think you make a very valid point. Didn't see the game, but the report I read indicated that the Villa tactics were not great. From what I recall the two attackers made very few challenges and won only 20% of those. The report then went on to say that the midfield sat deep and the defenders even deeper and meant that City had enough space and time to really press their advantage. They compared this with a higher pressing game that Fulham undertook when they drew 2-2. So, I'll agree that the difference in class between the teams with "unlimited" funds and others is an issue, but it certainly looked with hindsight like McLeish's tactics didn't help, even if I can't help thinking the outcome could have been the same.

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RE: The Aston Villa Thread - 17/10/2011 2:12:16 PM   
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I don't think you'll win against any team let alone City if you start with Heskey on the right wing.

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RE: The Aston Villa Thread - 17/10/2011 2:15:22 PM   
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I don't think you'll win against any team let alone City if you start with Heskey on the right wing.


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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 17/10/2011 2:39:21 PM   
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Villa fans shouldn't have chased off McClaren, it would be very funny if they ended up with AM.







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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 3/12/2011 6:34:29 PM   
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Fuck me they are shite aren't they.

Expect them to score 3 or 4 now

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 22/3/2012 12:30:19 PM   
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Only realised there was a Sports forum today (let alone a Villa thread). Always been a claret and blues fan: through thick and thin. These are the most depressing days I can remember....sigh

Ex- Blues ginger manager who never proved his worth in the first place, instantly hated, and soon proved this hatred with some shocking displays and now we are languishing near the relegation zone. I doubt we will get relegated but b-l-o-o-d-y hell we need to change up something.



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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 22/3/2012 1:05:16 PM   
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Wow, that must have been one hell of a BUMP.

If you are going to stay in this thread a while, you might want to bring a good book

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 22/3/2012 8:09:49 PM   
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If you are going to stay in this thread a while, you might want to bring a good book




I'm really hoping McLeash does the Brum double! Alas, the teams below Villa are a lot worse so I can't see that happening.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 23/3/2012 11:48:28 AM   
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I see that Villa managed to drop 50 odd million the other year. Should have made some of that back with Downing (and Young) sales, but its still a big load of dosh.

I have to admit, I've pretty much forgotten Villa exist. I don't think I've seen a match of theirs this year. I did see some bits of them earlier in the season and most of it was horrendous and hard to watch.

They don't look as though they can go down, but that could be just a matter of time as I'd say its likely someone will want a goal scorer and fancy Bent and it looks from the figures that Villa need the money. I know a few good Villa fans, so I've nothing against them, but as a neutral I just can't think of a positive thing to say about them.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 23/3/2012 2:25:14 PM   
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They're just...there, aren't they? Like a faded wallpaper no-one can be bothered to replace.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 23/3/2012 2:47:38 PM   
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They're just...there, aren't they? Like a faded wallpaper no-one can be bothered to replace.


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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 26/3/2012 11:59:49 AM   
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Another fantastic weekend which Mcleish tried to alleviate some pressure by saying: " Arsenal beat lots of teams so Villa getting beaten isn't that big a deal" or something to that effect. Bloody hell.

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RE: Aston Villa - 10/11 - 30/3/2012 3:19:25 PM   
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30032012/58/premier-league-villa-star-petrov-leukaemia.html

Fucking hell. Another situation in the space of three or so weeks where football pales into insignificance. Fingers crossed he makes a good recovery.

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