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RE: The Wire - 22/6/2011 2:35:43 AM   
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Just thought I'd pimp on this thread to say I'm finally making my way through The Wire for the first time, start to finish. I'll report back when its over.

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RE: The Wire - 22/6/2011 9:03:05 AM   
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Hope you enjoy it.

I was thinking of rewatching it again this summer. Might see if I've got the time...

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RE: The Wire - 15/7/2011 1:19:50 AM   
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Superb series, utterly gripping from start to finish. Watched it through twice and you pick up new things every episode that will make sense down the line. I love shows like this that reward intellect and sticking with. In the top five of all time series' for me.

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RE: The Wire - 27/7/2011 3:43:21 PM   
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RE: The Wire - 27/7/2011 5:40:47 PM   
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Gotta love the writers who sneaked this onto the air, and one wonders how many people were aware of the reference, given the likely lack of crossover appeal between the shows.

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RE: The Wire - 27/7/2011 5:50:26 PM   
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That's just wrong. icarly is a show? 

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RE: The Wire - 6/11/2011 2:22:46 AM   
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Rewatching The Wire for the 3rd time and I'm wondering - will there ever be a TV show as good as this? As important as this? As seminal and monumental as this? It's not only the greatest TV show ever made, it's one of the greatest achievements in art period. Right up there with the Mona Lisa and Monty Python.

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RE: The Wire - 6/11/2011 10:48:34 AM   
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Rewatching The Wire for the 3rd time and I'm wondering - will there ever be a TV show as good as this? As important as this? As seminal and monumental as this? It's not only the greatest TV show ever made, it's one of the greatest achievements in art period. Right up there with the Mona Lisa and Monty Python.



It is supreme though the last few seasons were spoilt a bit for me with Aidan Gillen who imo was badly miscast. The political goings on of Town Hall dragged the show a bit, though it was necessary to the whole plotline.

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RE: The Wire - 6/11/2011 11:12:42 AM   
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I'd counter that local politics was fundamental to the entire series and it was interesting that they left it to series 3 to give it the focus - town hall and politics lay behind the economics of dealing with the downturn in season 2, dealt with the political fallout from the drugs throughout, informed the pressures on the police, both political and funding most intriguingly dealt with in the results vs methods of Hamsterdam. Politics lay square behind the resource poor inner city schools and the low level spats with the s5 press that often seemed to be more point-scoring than dealing with the issues of real importance. The star of the show was Baltimore - the creation of the life of a city. How could town hall not be central to that?


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RE: The Wire - 6/11/2011 11:22:49 AM   
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I'm watching this for the first time at FX speed. It's on once a week. Currently about half way through Season 3 and it's certainly on the up after the shitfest that was the first three quarters of Season 2....

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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 11:54:38 AM   
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I'd counter that local politics was fundamental to the entire series and it was interesting that they left it to series 3 to give it the focus - town hall and politics lay behind the economics of dealing with the downturn in season 2, dealt with the political fallout from the drugs throughout, informed the pressures on the police, both political and funding most intriguingly dealt with in the results vs methods of Hamsterdam. Politics lay square behind the resource poor inner city schools and the low level spats with the s5 press that often seemed to be more point-scoring than dealing with the issues of real importance. The star of the show was Baltimore - the creation of the life of a city. How could town hall not be central to that?



I did say it was necessary to the overall story arc, but felt another actor would've been better playing the politician.

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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 12:06:22 PM   
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I'm watching this for the first time at FX speed. It's on once a week. Currently about half way through Season 3 and it's certainly on the up after the shitfest that was the first three quarters of Season 2....


Nothing wrong with season 2. Just another part of the city.

It all links in together, and when you look back at it is quite amazing what was acomplished.


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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 12:08:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

quote:

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I'm watching this for the first time at FX speed. It's on once a week. Currently about half way through Season 3 and it's certainly on the up after the shitfest that was the first three quarters of Season 2....


Nothing wrong with season 2. Just another part of the city.

It all links in together, and when you look back at it is quite amazing what was acomplished.


Season 2 was probably my second favourite season. Loved it.

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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 12:32:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: talpacino
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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ORIGINAL: Your Funny Uncle

I'm watching this for the first time at FX speed. It's on once a week. Currently about half way through Season 3 and it's certainly on the up after the shitfest that was the first three quarters of Season 2....


Nothing wrong with season 2. Just another part of the city.

It all links in together, and when you look back at it is quite amazing what was acomplished.


Season 2 was probably my second favourite season. Loved it.


Agreed - the rather Shakesperian tragedy of Frank Sabotka is, for my money, second only to the completely perfect fourth series.

YFU - if you think a good chunk of series two was a "shitfest", then wait until you hit series three's Hamsterdam and series five's serial killer, both of which (in the world of The Wire, at least) stick out like a huge sore thumb and are the only weak spots of an otherwise brilliant piece of TV.


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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 1:18:14 PM   
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I'd counter that local politics was fundamental to the entire series and it was interesting that they left it to series 3 to give it the focus - town hall and politics lay behind the economics of dealing with the downturn in season 2, dealt with the political fallout from the drugs throughout, informed the pressures on the police, both political and funding most intriguingly dealt with in the results vs methods of Hamsterdam. Politics lay square behind the resource poor inner city schools and the low level spats with the s5 press that often seemed to be more point-scoring than dealing with the issues of real importance. The star of the show was Baltimore - the creation of the life of a city. How could town hall not be central to that?



I did say it was necessary to the overall story arc, but felt another actor would've been better playing the politician.


But you also thought dragged a bit - which I don't agree with.

Oddly, I was a bit unsure when Gillen was cast, brilliant though he was in Queer as Folk. BUt I thought he was fine in the role, and in his double-act with Norman. Their reaction to a particular bit of news from Rawls is one of my favourite moments from the series.


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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 3:57:40 PM   
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I'd counter that local politics was fundamental to the entire series and it was interesting that they left it to series 3 to give it the focus - town hall and politics lay behind the economics of dealing with the downturn in season 2, dealt with the political fallout from the drugs throughout, informed the pressures on the police, both political and funding most intriguingly dealt with in the results vs methods of Hamsterdam. Politics lay square behind the resource poor inner city schools and the low level spats with the s5 press that often seemed to be more point-scoring than dealing with the issues of real importance. The star of the show was Baltimore - the creation of the life of a city. How could town hall not be central to that?



I did say it was necessary to the overall story arc, but felt another actor would've been better playing the politician.


But you also thought dragged a bit - which I don't agree with.

Oddly, I was a bit unsure when Gillen was cast, brilliant though he was in Queer as Folk. BUt I thought he was fine in the role, and in his double-act with Norman. Their reaction to a particular bit of news from Rawls is one of my favourite moments from the series.




The accent for me is way off and he speaks far too fast with it. I'm not saying he's not good in other series, I thought he was fine in Game of Thrones and apparently he was indeed exceptional in Queer as Folk.

As for the political side of the story, yes it is paramount to the whole arc but the heart of the story for me was the lives of the people on the streets. When it switched back to Town Hall it just felt a tad forced for me and it seemed it was shoved into the story to explain how the things were the way they were, which I understand and is part of the great depth of the show; but it just left me feeling slightly we were watching another series.

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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 4:03:22 PM   
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For me, the timing was perfect. If they'd done it too early, I think it would have felt more out of place - but two seasons in seeing the police battling the politicians, knowing Royce, Davis et al and seeing the other side with labour disputes highlighting the links to state and Washington (something they came back to with Stringer's attempt a legitimacy and later with Marlo). I think those really did need to be given a context and the mayoral race seemed the most obvious way to provide an intro into that. So I guess there we agree to disagree 

His accent did raise a query with me as well when I first heard it, but I later discovered that the Irish thing was as key in parts of Baltimore as Boston, and the timber remains in parts of the accent as a result.


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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 5:32:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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ORIGINAL: Your Funny Uncle

I'm watching this for the first time at FX speed. It's on once a week. Currently about half way through Season 3 and it's certainly on the up after the shitfest that was the first three quarters of Season 2....


Nothing wrong with season 2. Just another part of the city.

It all links in together, and when you look back at it is quite amazing what was acomplished.


Season 2 was probably my second favourite season. Loved it.


Agreed - the rather Shakesperian tragedy of Frank Sabotka is, for my money, second only to the completely perfect fourth series.

YFU - if you think a good chunk of series two was a "shitfest", then wait until you hit series three's Hamsterdam and series five's serial killer, both of which (in the world of The Wire, at least) stick out like a huge sore thumb and are the only weak spots of an otherwise brilliant piece of TV.



I think the only bad thing you can say about The Wire is that it makes all other TV shows seem artificial and unimportant.

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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 5:37:16 PM   
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Wait - Hamsterdam was bad? What else was Bunny supposed to do - he was at the end of his tether. Poor Bunny. 

And if we didn't have the serial killer storyline (which, fine, had a coincidence or two to tell a story) we also wouldn't have witnessed McNulty sitting with the profilers hearing his character being pinpointed in quite terrifyingly accurate detail


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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 5:43:07 PM   
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One day I want to get as drunk as McNulty. Haven't hit that peak yet. 

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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 5:56:31 PM   
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Wait - Hamsterdam was bad? What else was Bunny supposed to do - he was at the end of his tether. Poor Bunny. 



Agreed. Season 3 is probably my favourite season. The moral choices surrounding Hamsterdam are some of the most interesting things the series throws up.


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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 7:10:17 PM   
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And if we didn't have the serial killer storyline (which, fine, had a coincidence or two to tell a story) we also wouldn't have witnessed McNulty sitting with the profilers hearing his character being pinpointed in quite terrifyingly accurate detail



That's an amazing moment.

As for Hamsterdam I think it's great. It's integral to the story and not nearly as far fetched as the serial killer stuff.

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RE: The Wire - 7/11/2011 7:18:21 PM   
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Wait, there's a serial killer to come? I wouldn't have seen that coming...

I'm currently in the middle of the Hamsterdam stuff and I quite like it to be honest. A lot more than the first half of season two. I'm really enjoying season three so far. Being back to following Stringer and the drugs is great, the politics with that guy that plays LittleFinger in GoT is also really entertaining. I'm also enjoying what seems might be an upcoming tussle between Stringer and Avon.

Season Two just seemed like it hadn't been thought out properly, it all seemed worked in at the last minute for some reason. Plus it had the worse character I've come across so far in The Wire....Ziggy.

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RE: The Wire - 8/11/2011 8:41:32 AM   
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I liked season 2; it did take a while to get going but established the new characters well and when things went off, I genuinely felt for Sobotka and Ziggy. Ziggy just got fed up of being picked on and snapped and Sobotka was essentially a good man trying to do the best for his men and way of life, so much so that he made a Faustian pact that came back on him in the end. However he was almost left with no option as Town Hall wouldn't help them out (even if he did bribe 'sheeeeeeeeeeeeatt!!' Clay Davis who was just looking to line his pockets and had no intention of helping him) and there was no other people he felt he could turn to.

An excellent season for me.

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RE: The Wire - 8/11/2011 9:13:32 AM   
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One day I want to get as drunk as McNulty. Haven't hit that peak yet. 


That's because most people who hit McNulty's peak don't survive to boast about it!

I really don't get the lack of love for S2.  If nothing else, I loved it for the ballsy attitude of the show's creators and writers in practically abandoning the characters and plotlines of the first season to introduce a new location and cast.  Frank Sobotka was one of the best characters in the show (and surely, given the nature of the pact he made, it should be a Marlowean tragedy rather than a Shakespearean one? ), and Chris Bauer's portrayal of the good man caught between a rock and a hard place was sublime. Ziggy was indeed an annoying prick, but that's what he was meant to be!

Plus, S2 gave us one of Omar's stand-out moments - "I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase.  It's all in the game, though, right?"

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RE: The Wire - 8/11/2011 9:16:44 AM   
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Wait - Hamsterdam was bad? What else was Bunny supposed to do - he was at the end of his tether. Poor Bunny. 



Agreed. Season 3 is probably my favourite season. The moral choices surrounding Hamsterdam are some of the most interesting things the series throws up.



The bloke who works in the office next to me just finished Series 3 and called in to chat about Bunny's no-win-situation. He got genuinely upset talking about it - i think he seen a lot of parallels with his own situation at work. Not in terms of setting up an illegal drug area (at least i don't think so), but in the wrangling of stats, results, hierarchy etc. And that is why The Wire is great - the setting may not apply to everyone, but a lot of the shit has a familiar smell.

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RE: The Wire - 8/11/2011 9:26:32 AM   
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The bloke who works in the office next to me just finished Series 3 and called in to chat about Bunny's no-win-situation. He got genuinely upset talking about it - i think he seen a lot of parallels with his own situation at work. Not in terms of setting up an illegal drug area (at least i don't think so), but in the wrangling of stats, results, hierarchy etc. And that is why The Wire is great - the setting may not apply to everyone, but a lot of the shit has a familiar smell.


Interesting fact - Bill Bratton (David Cameron's go-to guy to run the Met and a former Boston and NY Police Commissioner) was the man responsible for establishing CompStat across most of the major East Coast metropolitan areas.  CompStat was the reporting mechanism that on The Wire became ComStat, used by Rawls and co with such cruelty

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RE: The Wire - 8/11/2011 1:01:35 PM   
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My point about Hamsterdam and the serial killer is not so much that they are bad - they are not - just that, I think, they don't fit very comfortably within the uber-real world of the show, especially as they both bookend series 4, which is about as real as any TV drama has ever got without employing blatant documentary techniques.

If both or either of those storylines appeared in pretty much ANY other TV drama, they would be brilliant, but in The Wire they seem like a bit of a stretch of common sense and reality.

As I said, I don't think they are bad, they just don't fit in my opinion.

Having said that, the serial killer storyline does involve some of the best comedy of all five series (the FBI profile, for example, as elab mentioned).


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RE: The Wire - 8/11/2011 1:06:13 PM   
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Ziggy was indeed an annoying prick, but that's what he was meant to be!


Exactly. Watch anything else James Ransone has been in (Generation Kill being the obvious example) and it becomes immediately obvious that it's very much a character trait of Ziggy to be a prick. The guy is an incredibly versatile actor.


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RE: The Wire - 8/11/2011 1:07:21 PM   
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Ziggy was great! Complete waste of space but he was great.



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