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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 10/7/2008 8:58:31 PM   
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At least I got one more laugh than Annie Hall - final scene in the convent reminded me of the Mighty Boosh pies sketch!"


Why you no like my pies!?

I'll be looking out for that next time I watch La Strada!

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 10/7/2008 9:06:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: elab49

This was mine- for me a truly awful film

La Strada

"I'm perfectly willing to accept I just don't get it but I also don't get on with Fellini. I have a soft spot for And the Ship Sailed On which I can't quite explain but the rest? Nope.

It is partly because he never seems to care whether the people in front of the camera can act or not. One of the first ones we see the mother certainly can't. Problem with realism is that people are in front of a camera - and when they are awful it is horrible to watch.

Masina has an amazing face but can she act? I'm not sure is it that or bad direction?  Her comic looks seem completely random with no connection to what is going on but then she changes completely with inciteful and pointed relationship comments. The inconsistency is ad hoc the mentally challenged clown jars badly when some scenes are clearly played as a 'normal' woman. One or t'other the character isn't created well enough to encompass both aspects. It comes across like different ideas at different times and simply doesn't make sense. Also maybe just me but she seems more than a little old for the character as created. Baseheart I rate poorly.

The script I just don't believe it. The problem with plotting loosely is that it doesn't always come together. And this doesn't. The fool's provocation and ultimate death seem as jarring and contrived as the final scenes in Jules et Jim.

The rest? Only Quinn emerges with honours intact as a coherent  well-played brute finally feeling remorse. Some of the camerawork, particularly in the crowd scenes, is excellent.

At least I got one more laugh than Annie Hall - final scene in the convent reminded me of the Mighty Boosh pies sketch!"




Like I said....nevermind.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 10/7/2008 9:07:45 PM   
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I think I land somewhere between the opinion of Chris and elab.

Btw, Piles, what did you think of La Dolce Vita? Did you see anymore Fellini?

Ok, I'm off to watch The 400 Blows. jamesbondguy, would you say you recommend that one?

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 10/7/2008 9:16:59 PM   
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Dante, I hope you would disagree with at least one line from elab: "Masina has an amazing face - but can she act?" - and not the part about her face.

Can Masina act?  There's more revealed about Gelsomina's character through Masina's expressions in the very first scene of the film than some actors can do in a whole film.  She's utterly marvellous, possibly more so in Nights Of Cabiria


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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 10/7/2008 11:08:35 PM   
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She is fantastic.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 10/7/2008 11:09:49 PM   
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I agree.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 10/7/2008 11:13:30 PM   
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That has got to be shortest Piles-post ever.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 12:35:28 AM   
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Can Masina act? 


I'd note again to my concern about consistency - a random set of pulled faces most of the time. And it is difficult to watch her at all when her mother - quite the worst actress in the history of film - is doing her schtick. You just wish sometimes the man would remember to direct.  Still - there were clearly a lot of fans on the Hall of Fame thread and I was surprised it didn't go through to the second round as well.

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Why you no like my pies!?


Spot on! When he tries to get her to nick something in the convent. It was the first time I'd seen the film since I discovered the Boosh and the most unexpected hilarious moment

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 12:48:56 AM   
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Updated chart:

1. Black Narcissus (1947) - 10 (1 vote)
2. City of God (2002) - 9.7 (13 votes)
3. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) - 9.5 (11 votes)
4. The Usual Suspects (1995) - 9.4 (12 votes)
5. 12 Angry Men (1957) - 9.4 (10 votes)
6. Goodfellas (1990) - 9.3 (15 votes)
7. Rear Window (1954) - 9.3 (11 votes)
8. Psycho (1960) - 9.3 (11 votes)
9. Fargo (1996) - 9.3 (9 votes)
10. The Third Man (1949) - 9.3 (9 votes)

11. The Treasure of the Sierre Madre (1948) - 9.3 (7 votes)
12. Taxi Driver (1976) - 9.25 (18 votes)
13. Jaws (1975) - 9.2 (27 votes)
14. The Elephant Man (1980) - 9.2 (17 votes)
15. The Maltese Falcon (1941) - 9.2 (13 votes)
16. Fight Club (1999) - 9.2 (13 votes)
17. Das Boot (1981) - 9.2 (8 votes)
18. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - 9.1 (17 votes)
19. Singin' in the Rain (1952) - 9.1 (14 votes)
20. Amadeus (1984) - 9 (19 votes)

21. No Country for Old Men (2007) - 9 (16 votes)
22. City Lights (1931) - 9 (16 votes)
23. L.A. Confidential (1997) - 9 (16 votes)
24. Pulp Fiction (1994) - 9 (15 votes)
25. Seven (1995) - 9 (15 votes)
26. Schindler's List (1993) - 9 (11 votes)
27. Double Indemnity (1944) - 9 (11 votes)
28. Seven Samurai (1954) - 9 (8 votes)
29. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) - 9 (8 votes)
30. Some Like it Hot (1959) - 8.9 (20 votes)

31. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) - 8.9 (16 votes)
32. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - 8.9 (16 votes)
33. Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) - 8.9 (14 votes)
34. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) - 8.9 (11 votes)
35. Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) - 8.9 (9 votes)
36. Blade Runner (1982) - 8.8 (32 votes)
37. Reservoir Dogs (1992) - 8.8 (18 votes)
38. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) - 8.8 (15 votes)
39. Amelie (2001) - 8.8 (14 votes)
40. The Godfather Part II (1974) - 8.8 (12 votes)

41. Sunset Blvd. (1950) - 8.8 (11 votes)
42. Modern Times (1936) - 8.8 (10 votes)
43. M (1931) - 8.8 (5 votes)
44. On the Waterfront (1954) - 8.75 (16 votes)
45. The Matrix (1999) - 8.7 (18 votes)
46. Memento (2000) - 8.7 (16 votes)
47. The Shawshank Redemption (1994) - 8.7 (14 votes)
48. The Godfather (1972) - 8.7 (14 votes)
49. The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - 8.7 (14 votes)
50. Citizen Kane (1941) - 8.7 (13 votes)

51. Touch of Evil (1958) - 8.7 (13 votes)
52. Downfall (2004) - 8.7 (11 votes)
53. Paths of Glory (1957) - 8.7 (11 votes)
54. Spirited Away (2001) - 8.7 (8 votes)
55. To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) - 8.7 (7 votes)
56. Alien (1979) - 8.6 (18 votes)
57. Raging Bull (1980) - 8.6 (18 votes)
58. Vertigo (1958) - 8.6 (15 votes)
59. Strangers on a Train (1954) - 8.55 (16 votes)
60. Casablanca (1942) - 8.5 (13 votes)

61. Rashomon (1950) - 8.5 (11 votes)
62. North by Northwest (1959) - 8.5 (11 votes)
63. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966) - 8.5 (11 votes)
64. The Lives of Others (2006) - 8.5 (7 votes)
65. Once Upon a Time in America (1984) - 8.4 (26 votes)
66. Aliens (1986) - 8.4 (19 votes)
67. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) - 8.4 (16 votes)
68. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) - 8.4 (16 votes)
69. Pan's Labyrinth (2006) - 8.4 (15 votes)
70. Apocalypse Now (1979) - 8.4 (13 votes)

71. Star Wars (1977) - 8.4 (13 votes)
72. There Will Be Blood (2007) - 8.4 (11 votes)
73. All About Eve (1950) - 8.3 (16 votes)
74. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) - 8.3 (16 votes)
75. Chinatown (1974) - 8.3 (14 votes)
76. Cinema Paradiso (1988) - 8.3 (10 votes)
77. The Silence of the Lambs (1991) - 8.2 (13 votes)
78. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) - 8.2 (13 votes)
79. Rebecca (1940) - 8.2 (11 votes)
80. The Sting (1973) - 8.2 (10 votes)

81. A Clockwork Orange (1971) - 8.1 (16 votes)
82. The Manchurian Candidate (1962) - 8.1 (11 votes)
83. Metropolis (1927) - 8.1 (7 votes)
84. The Prestige (2006) - 8 (23 votes)
85. American History X (1998) - 8 (13 votes)
86. It's a Wonderful Life (1946) - 8 (8 votes)
87. American Beauty (1999) - 7.9 (15 votes)
88. The Seventh Seal (1957) - 7.9 (13 votes)
89. Saving Private Ryan (1998) - 7.85 (18 votes)
90. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - 7.8 (23 votes)

91. Hotel Rwanda (2004) - 7.8 (7 votes)
92. Leon (1994) - 7.7 (18 votes)
93. Requiem for a Dream (2000) - 7.7 (10 votes)
94. The Pianist (2002) - 7.7 (9 votes)
95. The Great Escape (1963) - 7.6 (18 votes)
96. The Great Dictator (1940) - 7.5 (15 votes)
97. Full Metal Jacket (1987) - 7.4 (24 votes)
98. La Strada (1954) - 7.4 (5 votes)
99. The Departed (2006) - 7.25 (16 votes)
100. The Shining (1980) - 7.2 (19 votes)

Red, bold, italics = New Entry
Bold, italics = Rating increase
Italics = Rating decrease

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 12:52:45 AM   
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Great to see Fargo making the top 10, Black Narcissus will fall after a few more reviews. Or will it?

La Strada certainly got mixed reviews.

And the chart says goodbye to Sin City, Forrest Gump, Braveheart and Life is Beautiful

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 12:59:04 AM   
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Floating Clouds (1955)
Set in Japan after World War II, a young woman fights to find happiness in spite of the betrayals of her lover.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 1:00:59 AM   
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La Chinoise (1967)
A small group of French intellectuals studying Mao and the growth of communism in China decide to ignite their own revolution.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 1:16:46 AM   
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La Chinoise: 7/10. It's good, but not as good as Godard's other stuff (that I've seen). I suppose it's because I'm not really into politics or communism. But I'd still recommend it, just for the experimental side of it.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 6:55:23 AM   
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Two more that I haven't seen

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 9:21:35 AM   
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I'd note again to my concern about consistency - a random set of pulled faces most of the time. And it is difficult to watch her at all when her mother - quite the worst actress in the history of film - is doing her schtick. You just wish sometimes the man would remember to direct.  Still - there were clearly a lot of fans on the Hall of Fame thread and I was surprised it didn't go through to the second round as well.



If you were paying attention that 'random' set of pulled faces actually reveal something about her character.  I know what you mean and I'll admit that in one or two places it's ever so slightly overdone, but because the character is so unique I'm prepared to forgive some minor slips.  In fact I'm amazed that a character like this is managed to be portrayed at all, and portrayed well. 

I don't know what inciteful and pointed relationship comments you refer to, but I see no inconsistency in her character to make this unbelieveable.

I would also disagree on you labelling a background character who has little over 2 minutes screen time "the worst actress in history".  Not that she's even that bad, far from the worst.  If this is one of the main reasons you hate this film, I'd seriously question any other judgements you made of the film.

Black Narcissus 5/5

Floating Clouds 5/5

Haven't seen La Chinoise

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 11:53:06 AM   
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Updated chart:

1. Black Narcissus (1947) - 10 (1 vote)


Oh, but that's just unfair, isn't it?

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 12:01:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno


quote:

ORIGINAL: Beetlejuice!

Updated chart:

1. Black Narcissus (1947) - 10 (1 vote)


Oh, but that's just unfair, isn't it?


Well Chris takes it to two votes  I don't think its unfair to include it as sooin as it gets votes as it will surely get more votes over time and move to a fairer position.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 1:09:46 PM   
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I know. I was just joking. Still, it's important that each film gets as many votes as possible. A film like Black Narcissus is probably not the most watched, which means that the few people who have seen most likely loves it (or not).

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 2:31:47 PM   
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I know. I was just joking. Still, it's important that each film gets as many votes as possible. A film like Black Narcissus is probably not the most watched, which means that the few people who have seen most likely loves it (or not).


Which means the rest of us should go watch it so we can decide.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 2:40:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I'd note again to my concern about consistency - a random set of pulled faces most of the time. And it is difficult to watch her at all when her mother - quite the worst actress in the history of film - is doing her schtick. You just wish sometimes the man would remember to direct.  Still - there were clearly a lot of fans on the Hall of Fame thread and I was surprised it didn't go through to the second round as well.



If you were paying attention that 'random' set of pulled faces


Um - I was. We just don't agree

I did wonder what would happen if a film was chosen and only one person voted for it and gave it a 10!

Floating Clouds 7.5/10

La Chinoise - I know I didn't like it (otherwise I'd be able to say I don't like Godard BUT), but it has been so long since I've seen it I don't really feel confident enough to give it a fair mark.


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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 11/7/2008 2:44:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dantes Inferno

I know. I was just joking. Still, it's important that each film gets as many votes as possible. A film like Black Narcissus is probably not the most watched, which means that the few people who have seen most likely loves it (or not).


Which means the rest of us should go watch it so we can decide.


Yep, agree. Still, I probably won't see it for a while. Too many movies in line before it.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 12:13:33 AM   
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Unbreakable (2000)
A security guard who survived a train crash in which every other passenger died begins to feel that there is a supernatural force protecting him.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 12:15:33 AM   
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Indiana Jones sets out to find his missing archaeologist father, whose long search for the Holy Grail also holds compelling interest for the Nazis. Indy's youthful adventures introduce the story.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 12:23:13 AM   
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Unbreakable is a tough one, it has much to praise for it - the slow burning atmospheric quality, Samuel L. Jackson's mesmerizing performance, some excellent set pieces. However as a whole it somehow just didn't work, some of the dialogue is a little corny (scene with the kid and the gun a real nadar), the pace is sometimes plodgy, Willis isn't playing too far from his role in Sixth Sense and is the twist really clever or silly? I think if Shyamalan had been able to continue with the story in another sequel then it would have been interesting to re-evaluate the film. As it stands, it's a real curio.
7/10

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is Spielberg's second best Indy film. Connery and Ford are absolutely terrific together and Alison Doody is a fiesty companion. Over time, the Jones films have definitely grown on me.
9/10

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 12:56:01 AM   
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Unbreakable: Neither the film nor its ending is as good as The Sixth Sense, but both parts are still quality stuff. It's been a while since I've watched, and slow pacing occasionally gets a little too slow. Still, quality performances from Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson heighten what is actually not an ordinary thriller. Shiaymalan may be a bit hit-and-miss, but when's he on, he's on. I'm a little unsecure about the rating since I haven't watched it in full in a while.

8/10

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Whenever I watch Raider of the Lost Ark, I always feel that there is something I'm missing, even if I can't put my finger on it. With The Last Crusade, there's nothing missing. It's got the best action of the series, the best humor of the series, the best music of the series and it's actually very emotionally deep too... well, somewhat, anyway.

10/10



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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 1:39:19 AM   
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Unbreakable 4/5

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 4/5

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 4:21:44 AM   
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Unbreakable gets 5/5. Great performances wonderful score and a superb atmosphere.

Last Crusade also gets 5/5. Quite possibly the most all out entertaining film I've ever seen. Stupendous fun.



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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 9:45:31 AM   
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The last crusade 9/10.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 10:55:09 AM   
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Unreakable: 8/10. Definitely my favourite Shyamalan film, with perhaps my favourite Willis performance and a very good Jackson one to boot.

Last Crusade: 7/10. Very good film, but perhaps my least favourite of the Indy series.

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RE: The EMPIRE FORUM Official Top 100 Movies - 12/7/2008 11:15:49 AM   
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Put Toy Story up, goddamit!!

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