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RE: Indy and Crystal Skull - 18/8/2012 8:51:51 PM   
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Fun, but not a classic. Still better than Temple of Doom

WHAT!!!!??? better than... please ,tell me your joking.
temple of doom is amazing. dark. exiting.funny.breathtaking.



It's definitely dark. The point is, from an "objective" perspective, it can be jarring to call sci-fi Raiders-discordant but pulling-out-hearts and child slavery etc is, apparently, not. And nostalgia's gone too far if it's redeemed Short Round
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RE: Speilberg,,,, Lost his touch? - 18/8/2012 8:55:08 PM   
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There's a cool joke by Patton Oswalt.... 'I wish I could invent a time-machine.... so I could go back to about 1990 and kill George Lucas with a shovel'.


Advocating actual murder makes "George Lucas raped my childhood" look almost a rational response to what is, at the end of the day, just a movie.
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RE: Speilberg,,,, Lost his touch? - 18/8/2012 9:28:12 PM   
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It's not advocating murder, though. It's a play on the 'If I could do this thing' type line. You expect him to say 'I'd tell Lucas not to make Indy IV' but then he hits you with the violent punchline. I'm pretty sure if Oswalt had a time machine, he actually wouldn't kill Lucas and wouldn't want anyone else to.


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RE: Speilberg,,,, Lost his touch? - 18/8/2012 9:33:05 PM   
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Yeah, but I've heard it used lots of times very much in a "hmm, what would be an even better indication of how much I hate this movie than invoking childhood rape?" sort of way. You can think that all of Lucas' recent work is zero stars stuff and still agree that he has attracted a uniquely demented level of criticism (which I suppose is the flip-side to the rabid fandom that made him a billionaire)

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RE: Not as bad as history has made out - 18/8/2012 11:09:30 PM   
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Never really understood the criticism for this film in all honesty as the orginal trillogy are not flawless either.


True dat! Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is better than Temple of Doom. Excellent action beats as Empire pointed out.


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RE: Not as bad as history has made out - 19/8/2012 12:05:25 AM   
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 Indy 4 IS as bad as history has made out. Temple of Doom is an absolute classic. 5 minutes of Kate Capshaw whining versus 2 hours of absolute shite? I think it's pretty clear.

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RE: Not as bad as history has made out - 19/8/2012 8:46:40 AM   
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Indy 4 IS as bad as history has made out. Temple of Doom is an absolute classic.5 minutes of Kate Capshaw whining versus 2 hours of absolute shite? I think it's pretty clear.


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RE: Not as bad as history has made out - 19/8/2012 10:23:56 AM   
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Indy 4 IS as bad as history has made out. Temple of Doom is an absolute classic. 5 minutes of Kate Capshaw whining versus 2 hours of absolute shite? I think it's pretty clear.



Have you been watching a no-Shortround Phantom Edit style cut or something?
No problem with Kate Capshaw. Can see while Spielberg married her!

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RE: Not as bad as history has made out - 19/8/2012 10:26:34 AM   
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Indy 4 IS as bad as history has made out.


77% on Rotten Tomatoes? It wasn't exactly just Empire that liked it.

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RE: Disgrace... - 19/8/2012 4:11:12 PM   
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Oh lord, you've now infested another review thread quoting posts from about a year ago, are you for real?



Infested? 'Another' I was at the DKR thread near the start, posting a damn site more than you, and it's been out a lot less than a year.

But: apparently so. The block button's right fucking there, pal. I was unaware that the website of the world's most popular film magazine is actually a Private Fucking Member's Club.




If you've got a problem Cerebus you talk to the Mods - this kind of post is not welcomed. And, in particular, we don't like spats being taken to another thread - I found this from your post on TDKR. Just as Jonson doesn't get special treatment nor do you for 'posting a damn site more'.

Although your current habit of bumping posts from years back to make some comment on it is unusual inofitself it isn't prohibited and if others don't like that they know what they can do - although it is by no means, as you suggest,  a review or even an attempt at discussion, so it might seem a little odd to many posters.




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RE: Disgrace... - 19/8/2012 8:11:05 PM   
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Oh lord, you've now infested another review thread quoting posts from about a year ago, are you for real?



Infested? 'Another' I was at the DKR thread near the start, posting a damn site more than you, and it's been out a lot less than a year.

But: apparently so. The block button's right fucking there, pal. I was unaware that the website of the world's most popular film magazine is actually a Private Fucking Member's Club.




If you've got a problem Cerebus you talk to the Mods - this kind of post is not welcomed. And, in particular, we don't like spats being taken to another thread - I found this from your post on TDKR. Just as Jonson doesn't get special treatment nor do you for 'posting a damn site more'.

Although your current habit of bumping posts from years back to make some comment on it is unusual inofitself it isn't prohibited and if others don't like that they know what they can do - although it is by no means, as you suggest,  a review or even an attempt at discussion, so it might seem a little odd to many posters.





Could I ask whether Jonson's use of "infested" is similarly objectionable?
The point about the DKR thread is that, early on, it was just some regulars making some in-jokes. I started posting shortly thereafter. Jonson's only on-topic "contribution" to that thread was noting that he found the ending cheesy. The amount of posts I made on that thread, although I concede that they might not be to everyone's taste, comes by replying to points. I'd maintain that such an approach, although there are only so many hours in the day, compares favorably to ex cathedra pronouncements and/or chap-door-and-run-away arrogance.

Posting on threads because the movie happens to be on TV/is being rewatched doesn't seem intrinsically odd to me and, in any case, is as you yourself note not prohibited. I can certainly see why the belligerent sollipsism of the likes of Jonson would discourage others 'newbs' or non-frequent posters from doing so (that said, it is big of Jonson to note in his status that he isn't around here as much as he used to, save all us newbies and proles from holding our breath waiting for the Main Attraction).

That being said: point taken, lesson learned, sorry for any offence caused or unnecessary work for mods like yourself.

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RE: Disgrace... - 20/8/2012 12:10:44 AM   
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I already answered that in post - ie if others don't like it they know what they can do.

And we'll assume the point has been taken when the digs about status stop. No-one cares what anyone says on any non-Empire site - it isn't remotely relevant to this one.


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RE: Disgrace... - 20/8/2012 12:19:05 AM   
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Nope, next question..



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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 11:43:25 AM   
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I found no problem with the alien story whatsoever - as I said before I felt it was a pretty natural progression from all the supernatural stuff and an excellent creative decision by Lucas/ Spielberg. Plus the final alien ship take off is a cinematic work of art



Well said Fluke. Glad you don't think Crystal Skull has any "plot holes" !


It's in the same boat as TDKR - a flawed but entertaining blockbuster

Crystal Skulls is the weakest of the four mainly because they borrow from too many Indy staples but it's still a really enjoyable action adventure. Harrison Ford is looking way too old though and Shia LeBoof is a crap choice as his son, you wouldn't immediately think he's the offspring of Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood.

I like the inter-dimensional beings plot as well, we've had supernatural for four straight films it's a good change up.

As I said before the whole massive boulder-spinning spaceship scene at the end is one of the coolest things I've seen on a big screen as well.


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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 11:49:30 AM   
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 Amazing that this fan fiction movie has got to 60 pages.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 11:51:38 AM   
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I found no problem with the alien story whatsoever - as I said before I felt it was a pretty natural progression from all the supernatural stuff and an excellent creative decision by Lucas/ Spielberg. Plus the final alien ship take off is a cinematic work of art



Well said Fluke. Glad you don't think Crystal Skull has any "plot holes" !


It's in the same boat as TDKR - a flawed but entertaining blockbuster

Crystal Skulls is the weakest of the four mainly because they borrow from too many Indy staples but it's still a really enjoyable action adventure. Harrison Ford is looking way too old though and Shia LeBoof is a crap choice as his son, you wouldn't immediately think he's the offspring of Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood.

I like the inter-dimensional beings plot as well, we've had supernatural for four straight films it's a good change up.

As I said before the whole massive boulder-spinning spaceship scene at the end is one of the coolest things I've seen on a big screen as well.




Yeah, the alien leaving was brilliant.

Don't you like how they reflected Indy's age though, moving it to the 50s? Communist Russians are great villains!

I think Mutt being a greaser was a great choice, I'm not the world's biggest Shia fan, but can't think of anybody off the top of my head who'd have been better.


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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 12:02:08 PM   
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 I think because he looked so old it just didn't seem like I was watching Indiana Jones, just Harrison Ford in his old age and that immediately put a downer on it.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 12:05:48 PM   
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Hey, it's not my fault that you people gave up on the DKR thread so early!

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 12:15:44 PM   
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Old Harrison Ford is still pretty cool though - he's still younger than Chuck Norris and about the same age as Arnie and Sly!


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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 12:19:15 PM   
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I think because he looked so old it just didn't seem like I was watching Indiana Jones, just Harrison Ford in his old age and that immediately put a downer on it.


The age thing would have been fine - if they played into it. You know, like Kirk and Wrath of Khan. It was there...but it also wasn't.

I just think no one really cared on set. I prefer not to think about the film as part of the series. I throw it in with the Young Indiana Jones series. Expanded Universe.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 7:16:25 PM   
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 I know what you mean when you say it feels like fan fiction though

I think it's easily the worst Indy movie but I'm still glad they made it to see him get another run out. I just wish they hadn't taken so much from the other movies, you could almost tick things off, the brutal/ precarious punch up (killer ants/ rotor blades from ROTLA), fighting on moving vehicles, ridiculous drops from height etc etc.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 10:01:27 PM   
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Amazing that this fan fiction movie has got to 60 pages.


To be fair double and triple posting is suddenly acceptable. Maybe the edit button isn't big enough.


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Have you been watching a no-Shortround Phantom Edit style cut or something?
No problem with Kate Capshaw. Can see while Spielberg married her!



Short Round has a vastly more empathatic father-son thing going on than "The Beef". What I have seen in the Extended Edit of KOTCS and it was still terrible, just about 10% less embarassing.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 10:52:22 PM   
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Amazing that this fan fiction movie has got to 60 pages.

To be fair double and triple posting is suddenly acceptable. Maybe the edit button isn't big enough.



Never knew it wasn't, and mods haven't corrected me. But that's noobs and non-regulars for you.



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Short Round has a vastly more empathatic father-son thing going on than "The Beef". What I have seen in the Extended Edit of KOTCS and it was still terrible, just about 10% less embarassing.





Empathic? You could argue that shortround brings out certain interesting, positive qualities himself but the character itself is on a par with Jar-Jar. And Mutt also brings out some good aspect's of Indy's character.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 20/8/2012 10:53:54 PM   
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I know what you mean when you say it feels like fan fiction though

I think it's easily the worst Indy movie but I'm still glad they made it to see him get another run out. I just wish they hadn't taken so much from the other movies, you could almost tick things off, the brutal/ precarious punch up (killer ants/ rotor blades from ROTLA), fighting on moving vehicles, ridiculous drops from height etc etc.



Yo Fluke, don't use this thread as an excuse to neglect the DKR one!

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 21/8/2012 7:34:02 AM   
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Amazing that this fan fiction movie has got to 60 pages.


To be fair double and triple posting is suddenly acceptable. Maybe the edit button isn't big enough.


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Have you been watching a no-Shortround Phantom Edit style cut or something?
No problem with Kate Capshaw. Can see while Spielberg married her!



Short Round has a vastly more empathatic father-son thing going on than "The Beef". What I have seen in the Extended Edit of KOTCS and it was still terrible, just about 10% less embarassing.


Er, what's this extended edit you talk of?

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 21/8/2012 2:00:04 PM   
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Made the mistake of watching it again at the weekend, and it did nothing to change my opinion that it's awful. It's a charmless pig of a film.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 21/8/2012 10:51:18 PM   
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The film completely loses the plot about 35mins in after the brilliant motorbike chase, a pretty blinding opening sequence, despite CG gophers and the shear ridiculousness of it all.

Le Beef swinging on CGI vines like Tarzan............ Nuf said !!

Final spaceship sequence is quite beautiful though.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 22/8/2012 7:53:44 PM   
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 I agree the first 45 minutes was crackin. Then.... the rest happened.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 22/8/2012 8:38:06 PM   
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I agree the first 45 minutes was crackin. Then.... the rest happened.


Then Marion happened.

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RE: In My Opinion.... - 22/8/2012 9:12:09 PM   
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Er, what's this extended edit you talk of?


Whoops I meant Essential Edit. It's a fanedit, look it up online.

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