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RE: Top Gun - 6/4/2009 4:52:48 PM   
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RE: Top Gun - 6/4/2009 4:55:10 PM   
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 A Nightmare on Elm Street 2 is still the winner when it comes to this sort of subtext in Hollywood films.

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RE: Top Gun - 13/4/2009 6:41:08 AM   
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I say no compared to Brokeback Mountain or Velvet Goldmine. No seriously, I like Top Gun it's just a cool fun movie and back before Tom Cruise got loony. Val Kilmer was unbelievably HOT! It's funny though Tom had to stand on something because Kelly McGillis (Charlie) was taller than he was. I think I liked him better with the crooked smile, still MICKEY ROURKE turned this role down, and makes me long for a MICKEY version of MAVERICK. There's always some hint of homoeroticism in movies like this but only if you really look for it. If you wanna see that watch Alexander.

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RE: Top Gun - 11/1/2012 12:39:29 PM   
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 Classic film, it obviously gives the likes of Tarantino a thrill with hints of arse-towel slapping but the cinematography is pretty up there (sorry) and the footage of the aerial combat and jets is pretty striking. Perhaps Mr. Cruise turned Miss McGillis lesbian? I kid! I agree with JoeyPottr, Cruise wasn't doing mach 3 to weirdville here and Kilmer didn't look as though he could win 'world's podgiest' five times in a row. Michael Ironside doesn't lose an arm in this one, so all good!

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Tim Robbins plays Merlin who is Cougar's Radio Interceptions Officer (R.I.O.), Cougar being the pilot that Maverick has to aid back to the ship. He doesn't die and later serves as Mavs RIO in the final battle.


Radar Intercept Officer.


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RE: Top Gun - 11/1/2012 3:20:39 PM   
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RE: Top Gun - 11/1/2012 3:24:27 PM   
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RE: Top Gun - 11/1/2012 10:26:53 PM   
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 Top Gun is unintentional comedy at its finest!

And yes its totally gay!  http://youtu.be/ekXxi9IKZSA

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RE: Top Gun - 11/1/2012 11:17:23 PM   
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RE: Top Gun - Sure it's dumb as hell but is it gay? - 11/1/2012 11:29:19 PM   
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 The only way this film could of been gayer, is if Elton John, playing himself, ran into the locker room scene and flicked everyones arse with a wet towel.

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RE: Top Gun - Sure it's dumb as hell but is it gay? - 11/1/2012 11:33:52 PM   
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RE: Top Gun - Sure it's dumb as hell but is it gay? - 11/1/2012 11:52:58 PM   
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 Its extremely gay, there's tonnes of testosterone homo-erotically charged scenes in it. I don't mind films like that tbh if they are entertainingly naff which this is.

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RE: Top Gun - Sure it's dumb as hell but is it gay? - 12/1/2012 3:35:41 AM   
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 Very gay film. Very good... but very, very gay.

Tarantino's diatribe aside it has many many moments of "gayness". Obviously the Volleyball scene. It's like gay softcore porn for the masses! Then there is Mavericks resisting of love interest Charlie (who has a boys name!). He only gives in to her when they are in the lift and she is more manly looking (in uniform with hair pinned up and wearing a baseball cap). There are plenty of saucy suggestive looks between the likes of Iceman, Maverick, and Wolfman too. Especially in the bar scene near the begining. Doesn't Kilmer do some suggestive nibbling of ice to Maverick? 
Then you have the nicknames. Goose?! Cowboy?! Maverick?!
Maverick on his crotch rocket of a motorbike riding hard to Ride in to the Dangerzone.
Meg Ryan demanding, nay ordering, Goose to "take her to bed or lose her forever", demanding he show his manliness and heterosexuality. And the song that Goose and Maverick practically sing to one another around the piano is "Great Balls of Fire"! Great Balls of Fire!! Not withstanding that Kelly Mcgillis is a lesbian and Kenny Loggins readily admits in the Making Of.. that he was in his "Tina Turner phase" and was pretty much imitating her for Dangerzone. Sexuality is skew-wiff all over the place!

I'm sure there is much more. Still, a great adrenaline shot of a movie.

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RE: Top Gun - 12/1/2012 12:03:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Top Gun is unintentional comedy at its finest!

And yes its totally gay!  http://youtu.be/ekXxi9IKZSA


So Cool Breeze, do you take after Iceman then?


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ORIGINAL: Sutty

Very gay film. Very good... but very, very gay.

Tarantino's diatribe aside it has many many moments of "gayness". Obviously the Volleyball scene. It's like gay softcore porn for the masses! Then there is Mavericks resisting of love interest Charlie (who has a boys name!). He only gives in to her when they are in the lift and she is more manly looking (in uniform with hair pinned up and wearing a baseball cap). There are plenty of saucy suggestive looks between the likes of Iceman, Maverick, and Wolfman too. Especially in the bar scene near the begining. Doesn't Kilmer do some suggestive nibbling of ice to Maverick? 
Then you have the nicknames. Goose?! Cowboy?! Maverick?!
Maverick on his crotch rocket of a motorbike riding hard to Ride in to the Dangerzone.
Meg Ryan demanding, nay ordering, Goose to "take her to bed or lose her forever", demanding he show his manliness and heterosexuality. And the song that Goose and Maverick practically sing to one another around the piano is "Great Balls of Fire"! Great Balls of Fire!! Not withstanding that Kelly Mcgillis is a lesbian and Kenny Loggins readily admits in the Making Of.. that he was in his "Tina Turner phase" and was pretty much imitating her for Dangerzone. Sexuality is skew-wiff all over the place!

I'm sure there is much more. Still, a great adrenaline shot of a movie.


I just find it a bit peculiar that someone's gone through the trouble of listing all the things that make the film 'gay' then described it as "a great adrenaline shot of a movie". Whatever kicks your tyre(s) and lights your fire I guess (or floats your boat seeing as though Top Gun [now SFTI] is a Navy programme). Although I found it funny that someone from the front row of a scrum ("no it's the cinema" yeah right) wouldn't feel kinship with someone yelping "great balls on fire!"

All this talk of homo-eroticism is amusing in some ways, as there's an element of camp in the film. But with the likes of Tarantino giving it such care and attention makes one wonder whether they think any guy who changes (can't say strip, might be deemed homo-erotic) in front of other men in a changing room, or dare I say only wear a towel suddenly makes them homosexual. Christ...now it all makes sense, no wonder Mike Tindall was so keen to be snapped with that blonde.

Meanwhile I'll be happily sittin' (sic) on the dock of the bay watching those mighty wings head into the danger zone. I'll just remember to switch on my gaydar this time.



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RE: Top Gun - 12/1/2012 1:35:33 PM   
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I always chuckled at how in the volleyball scene all the guys are shirtless, oiled up and muscled except good ol goose still wearing the sleeveless tshirt.

And then I realised if I was at Top Gun I would be Goose. Not dead hopefully, just not as confident at flexing the pecs as my fellow pilots.

Pretty good casting all the way through in Top Gun including Rick Rossovich and Theo from Die Hard! 'And the quarterback is toast!' Which could be a line from Top Gun when you think about it.

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RE: Top Gun - 12/1/2012 1:51:46 PM   
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 I suppose it shows only the most confident and skilled make it as fighter pilots as you have to be sharp. Not to say that Goose and other RIOs/Navigators aren't as sharp, but you need that confidence in your own ability. In that way, the film paints quite an accurate picture of military aviators. Perhaps slightly exaggerated and of course there's the odd "hello sailor" moment, but I don't see men who are comfortable in a changing room together a subtext for repressed homosexuality haha. Oh hang on, looks like I have a ping or contact on my gaydar.

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RE: Top Gun - 12/1/2012 4:17:41 PM   
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It's more camp than a field full of Cath Kidston tents at a gay pride festival.

So is Point Break.

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RE: Top Gun - 12/1/2012 5:24:01 PM   
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 Well not quite, but if we had an air-to-air refuelling scene/gag with the words "I have a wet contact on the nose" then perhaps.


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RE: Top Gun - 13/1/2012 7:56:49 PM   
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 The most laughable moment which is TOTALLY gay is when Michael Ironside is giving his lecture on aerial combat to the pilots and one one of them turns to his buddy and whispers ''This is giving me a hard on! ''

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RE: Top Gun - 16/1/2012 10:11:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Emyr Thy King

Well not quite, but if we had an air-to-air refuelling scene/gag with the words "I have a wet contact on the nose" then perhaps.



And a slight mis-hap during the refuelling and the plane would have been "FLAMING"

I still maintain it's more camp than Christmas with Louie Spence.

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RE: Top Gun - 16/1/2012 11:08:08 AM   
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 Some dickhead neighbour of mine has a thing about returning home at about 3am on a Monday morning and playing Top Gun at full blast. Has done it about 3 or 4 times now, same time every week, strange. I mean why only Top Gun and why the exact same time and day?

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RE: Top Gun - 16/1/2012 5:10:59 PM   
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RE: Top Gun - 16/1/2012 6:03:51 PM   
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Never got into Top Gun.
Again the macho mannerisms put me right-off.
As did Tom Cruises (then) acting and Val Kilmer,who generally puts me off most movies he stars in.

Also (final note),the single ie Berlin "Take My Breath Away".Oh my ears hurt after hearing that song.

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RE: Top Gun - 17/1/2012 12:55:33 PM   
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Some dickhead neighbour of mine has a thing about returning home at about 3am on a Monday morning and playing Top Gun at full blast. Has done it about 3 or 4 times now, same time every week, strange. I mean why only Top Gun and why the exact same time and day?


Because that's when he's on his own and it's time for a posh wank?

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RE: Top Gun - 17/1/2012 1:22:13 PM   
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 Y'know I like Tom Cruise. He's done some decent films. And so has Tony Scott. But I just never got this film. Didn't do anything for me. I remember it was HUGE on the ol' video rentals chart way back when. Has a decent soundtrack but that's about it.  Plus, it has Meg Ryan. She's bloody annoying.

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RE: Top Gun - 3/2/2012 1:06:22 PM   
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and Theo from Die Hard!


Get the fuck outta here!! I've never noticed that!

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RE: Top Gun - 3/2/2012 8:54:59 PM   
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 Is it weird that I've never seen Top Gun?

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RE: Top Gun - 3/2/2012 9:05:03 PM   
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 Yes. Yes it is.

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RE: Top Gun - 4/2/2012 8:32:51 PM   
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 The whole gay thing is to do with the film being viewed through the homo-erotic gaze... As for it being gay par se, not in the slightest you can read the film in any number of ways.

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RE: Top Gun - 29/4/2012 12:40:10 AM   
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 I watched this for the first time yesterday (sky plus'd it at the weekend) and I thought it was crap.

It's got decent dogfight scenes, yes, but the rest of the film is largely just shit. The scripting is awful, the acting just as bad (Cruise is decent) and it IS gay in my book.

The volleyball scene is made the most fuss of, but the fact that most of the male cast take their shirts off at at least one point in the film should prove my point. It's also a teeny bit racist (the only black character being called Sundown is just ridiculous!)

But hey, it was the 80s - so everyone loved this kind of thing.

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RE: Top Gun - 29/4/2012 12:05:47 PM   
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 Sorry, how is "Sundown" racist? It's just a callsign, nothing more.

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