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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 1:20:39 PM   
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lol at Shitspotting.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 1:34:44 PM   
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It would be funny...

IF IT WEREN'T TRUE!

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 2:32:03 PM   
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I'm not a big fan of Trainspotting, which makes me wonder why I own it. Boyle does have the honour of having one of his films in my top 100, and another in my bottom 20.


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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 2:53:25 PM   
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I'm not altogether sure I want to do this, but please expand on that, Gimli...

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 3:08:02 PM   
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28 Days Later at the top, The Beach at the bottom!

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 3:16:56 PM   
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The Beach for Boyle is like Cars for Pixar. That's pretty on-message for you Gimli

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 3:41:22 PM   
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When I think of Danny Boyle I think, meh.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 4:59:29 PM   
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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 5:01:32 PM   
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We should all list Danny Boyle's films in order of preference. We've never done that.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 5:11:29 PM   
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28 Days Later
127 Hours oh hayyo oh hayyo oh hayyo hayyo hayyo
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Trainspotting


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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 7:48:33 PM   
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Sunshine







Think I'd better wait a couple of pages before posting the rest. 

We'll have to start a whole new forum before I can post Trainspotting.



Must admit I'm pleasantly surprised by the shared dislike of Slumdog - I really thought I was the only one...


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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 8:15:27 PM   
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The Beach for Boyle is like Cars for Pixar. That's pretty on-message for you Gimli


Glossy and soulless? Lucas does Boyle?


The one and only reason I'm looking forward to Cars 2 is cause I can't wait for the inevitably invasion of Elabesque reviews.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 20/5/2011 8:33:41 PM   
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I've just realised I didn't comment on your Return review, either

I quite like Slumdog. I thought it was good fun, and I wasn't a massive fan of most of the other nominees. Well, Milk was OK if a bit weak. Frost/Nixon had great lead performances. Button and Reader were Tripe.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 23/5/2011 1:53:14 PM   
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It would have been better if they didn't go the Titanic "let's make it a fantasy romance in the middle of a lot of misery" route in the second half.




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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 23/5/2011 7:28:19 PM   
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I haven't decided which suits it better...

Reservoir Dogs, Quentin Tarantino (1992)

Were it not for the fact I love Pulp Fiction, think that Jackie Brown and parts of Kill Bill Volume 1 are watchable, and Kurt Russell’s plate of nachos in Death Proof looks like the greatest plate of nachos that ever existed, I could almost make this entry Quentin Tarantino’s entire career – as a writer he almost always ruins the material he’s given (his contributions to the otherwise brilliant Crimson Tide stick out like the very obvious moment where the budget runs out in Jack Sholder's Wishmaster 2: Evil Never Dies), as an actor he is excruciatingly bad (although, perversely, my favourite sequence in Pulp Fiction is The Bonnie Situation) and as an auteur he doesn’t have a single original bone in his body, whilst frequently over writing and over directing to various annoying degrees without much reason (Kill Bill 2 – please, please, please, enough about the Hanso sword already).  But I can’t do that, because I would be doing the few good films a disservice.  Also, I haven’t yet seen Inglorious Basterds.  These days, it’s okay to dislike Quentin Tarantino and/or a Quentin Tarantino film.  He has as many detractors as he does followers, possibly even more.  But back in 1992, when Reservoir Dogs was released to endless praise and just a touch of controversy, he was untouchable.  An enthusiastic and talented young video store clerk who had struck it lucky and come up with this “completely original” story whilst still renting out rubbish straight to vid Disney films and hardcore gay porn to the Manhattan Beach locals.

Reservoir Dogs’ opening in the US, whilst not exactly disappointing for a low budget debut, was not quite the barn storming fanfare people now assume it to have been.  But mainland Western Europe and the UK welcomed it with open arms, worrying the BBFC (though, contrary to popular belief, it was never actually banned or cut by them) and forcing the US to reconsider, where it then became a favourite of cool kids everywhere.  Despite some critics mentioning a passing similarity to Stanley Kubrick’s The Killing, they were otherwise full of praise.  Tarantino remained tight lipped and played dumb about the film’s lineage, just saying that he was a video store clerk and a film geek who’d seen a lot of films.  Otherwise, as far as he was concerned, it was a 100% original story which he had bashed away at for a couple of years.  Reviews were almost unanimously positive – congratulatory and we’re-not-worthy at best, “slim on characterisation, but otherwise an excellent debut from a talented young writer-director” at worst.  It took a rare, perhaps even unique, negative guest-writer article in one of the UK broadsheets by stand-up comedian/TV presenter/VH-1 VJ/writer Bob Mills (AKA the hardest working TV personality of the 90s – for a few years in the late 90s he could be found, during the same period, sometimes at the same time of day, on prime time BBC1, prime time Sky 1, prime time AND late night ITV, channel 4, and all hours VH-1), who was a big fan of Hong Kong crime thrillers, to take some shine off Tarantino and Reservoir Dogs’ coat.  Without going as far as using the word “plagiarism”, Mills noted that not only was Dogs similar to The Killing, but in terms of style and execution it also borrowed very heavily from Ringo Lam’s City on Fire and John Woo’s A Better Tomorrow 2 (remember this was in the days when Hong Kong cinema to most people was Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and nothing else and, at £15-17 for VHS and £29.99 for laserdisc, the Hong Kong films that were available were at the most expensive end of the market – the audience was very limited indeed).  Following that article, I seem to remember a huge chunk of an episode of Mills’ excellent proto TV Offal/Screenwipe/TV Burp late night show In Bed With Medinner (at least I think it was In Bed With Medinner) devoted to Tarantino and, specifically, Reservoir Dogs, where Mills cynically ran through all the films that the “definitely totally original” Dogs was “not at all like” – cue clips of The Killing, City on Fire, A Better Tomorrow 2, The Taking of Pelham 123 etc.  At the end of the segment, Mills then accused Tarantino of outright plagiarism and sarcastically challenged him to a Petrocelli style court match.  Obviously Tarantino didn’t take Mills up on that but, mysteriously, Tarantino started to change tune in interviews and said that Dogs was his homage and pastiche to all of his favourite films.  Of course, it’s unlikely that Tarantino ever saw In Bed With Medinner, but Mills’ original newspaper article opened up the floodgates and soon every film geek was calling Tarantino up on how unoriginal Dogs was (I’m sure I also heard a radio interview with well known celeb film buff Les Dennis where he said he liked Dogs, but couldn’t understand its popularity given it ripped off a million other much better films - go Les Dennis!).  So too some of the critics began to change their tune and, when it came round to its much delayed VHS release, the mediocre and negative reviews multiplied greatly.  Oh, it still had its fans and supporters, but at least the reality of the film was now known to the public and, with the advent of DVD, so all the films that Dogs ripped off became available to the average Joe.

I appreciate that nothing is really original any more and is like something else in one way or another, so perhaps being this harsh about it is unfair.  But it’s not just homage or pastiche, because Tarantino (and Reservoir Dogs) is the very definition of plagiarist, it’s just harder to spot with QT because he mines so many different films and genres for the bits he likes best (all told, Kill Bills 1 and 2 are a “homaged” mish-mash of at least a dozen films and at least five or six different genres).  Otherwise, it’s exactly the same as when Dennis Leary started using Bill Hicks material and passed it off as his own.  I also further appreciate that, by loving Pulp Fiction, I’m perhaps being a bit hypocritical given that Pulp Fiction arguably rips off even more films than Reservoir Dogs.  Silly me.  But at least Tarantino admitted it and even listed the films he was nodding his head to with each section of the film, some obvious some not so.  Tarantino fans would argue that any criticism of him as a director, or of his films, is unfounded because, even if he does little more than homage/pastiche, he does it so stylishly that he often improves on what he’s ripping off.  I’m not entirely convinced by that argument…

But it’s not just the fact that it’s a complete rip off.  It’s also the Tarantino schtick that I don’t like.  The thing that ruins Crimson Tide.  The thing that courses through the veins of True Romance.  Remember that CSI episode that he wrote and directed?  The one where he pretty much completely changes the characters so they become typical QT prototypes, much removed from their usual selves?  Yeah, that one.  Schtick runs through 90% of Reservoir Dogs – endless pointless bits of dialogue which do not propel the story, develop character or have any relevance to anything else going on.  Whole sequences that do nothing and go nowhere.  All just so the characters can look and sound cool for the sake of it.  And Reservoir Dogs is, by far, the worst example of that schtick in the whole Tarantino canon.  So suck it.


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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 23/5/2011 7:31:39 PM   
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Can I just check, is the word "shit" going to appear on every review pic?

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 23/5/2011 7:34:24 PM   
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You should have gone with Reservoir Dog Shit.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 23/5/2011 9:08:05 PM   
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Can I just check, is the word "shit" going to appear on every review pic?


I'm not that clever or original.  So probably, yeah.


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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 23/5/2011 9:24:00 PM   
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Good.

It amuses me.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 24/5/2011 12:06:39 AM   
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I've just realised I didn't comment on your Return review, either



This saddened me. I wrote a review entirely about you and you ignored it. Thought I'd maybe offended you.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 24/5/2011 6:49:46 AM   
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Remember that CSI episode that he wrote and directed?  The one where he pretty much completely changes the characters so they become typical QT prototypes, much removed from their usual selves?  Yeah, that one. 



It's still better than all but one of his films though.


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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 24/5/2011 9:11:59 AM   
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I've just realised I didn't comment on your Return review, either



This saddened me. I wrote a review entirely about you and you ignored it. Thought I'd maybe offended you.


It was just me being dunderheided. I actually had the post box open and got distracted.

You realise this sub-list needs to change its name to The Shit Files, don't you? You'll disappoint everyone if you don't keep abusing the film posters with it.

Reservoir Dogs. I used to really like it, but  it's one of those that rewatching is....disappointing. I don't like that, so you end up not rewatching and hoping you've got it wrong. I do still really like some parts. But I love noir, I adored Pelham  - it was always pretty much a reworking of The Killing for me. I still enjoyed it though - but then, at that time (as you mention above) I knew pretty much shit about HK cinema except dubbed Jackie Chan movies. Perhaps developing that side of my viewing is one of the reasons it's gone down a bit for me?

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 24/5/2011 12:30:02 PM   
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You realise this sub-list needs to change its name to The Shit Files, don't you? You'll disappoint everyone if you don't keep abusing the film posters with it.


The Shit Files...I like it. And will probably have to steal it because, as I said, I'm not that clever or original...


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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 24/5/2011 5:59:31 PM   
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Not seen Resevoir Dogs, but my Shit Fiction hate is infamous.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 25/5/2011 12:46:09 PM   
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swords - Reservoir Dogs is a WHOLE other level of bad.

But, as I said above, I do love Pulp Fiction, so I'm probably a bit biased.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 27/5/2011 4:35:16 PM   
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This thread confuses me. Reservoir Dogs is brilliant. Also, you made me watch RoboCop 2 by making it sound good and now I don't like you anymore.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 27/5/2011 11:06:17 PM   
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If it wasn't directed by Quentin Tarantino you would never have critiqued it. Its not the best film but if you are reviewing bad movies then this simply does not fit the category.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 27/5/2011 11:59:44 PM   
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rick - to be fair, I didn't make you watch Robocop 2.  My powers of persuasion are not that good

chambanzi - not so.  I hated Reservoir Dogs before Tarantino the debut director was Tarantino the annoying twat who ruins everything (if that makes sense) - when Dogs came out I had already seen City On Fire, A Better Tomorrow 2 (which actually isn't all that, but it's a million times better than Dogs) and The Taking of Pelham 123 (all three of which I either owned on VHS or taped off the TV), and I had seen The Killing, yet QT's second film had not come out and I had not seen any interviews with him.  Some of the comments in my Dogs review just build on the seeds of my initial dislike of the film.

I am not necessarily reviewing universally "bad movies" in the sense I think you mean (Weekend at Bernie's 2, The Room etc, although a few of that ilk will probably appear) - a lot of these, like Trainspotting and Dogs, will be movies I genuinely hate that a lot of other people like or love.  It goes without saying (and this will come as no surprise to most) that Citizen Kane, my dislike of which has been a particular millstone around my neck since I joined the forum in 2005, will feature at some point.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 28/5/2011 11:28:11 AM   
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There seems to be a tendency on the Board to accuse people of attacking films because it is either the 'fashion' or because the attacker is trying to knock a beloved director (by some) done a peg or two - as if the opinion being given is a dishonest one wrt the film. It's an empty accusation without foundation and also rather rude as it predicated on the assumption people can't simply watch a film and think - I don't like that - without reference to anything else. It isn't an approach I'm entirely fond of.

Particularly with someone like Tarantino. As you say, some of us saw the films before Tarantino became TARANTINO, because not everyone on the board is in their teens discovering films for the first time in the context of developed reputations for the films or the directors. And there were plenty of people watching Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction for the first time at the time that thought them shallow and lacking in originality. But there were also a lot of people who loved them, which gave Tarantino the opportunity to direct more. So

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is a nonsense, IMO.

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RE: Great Badir's Not So Favourite Films - 28/5/2011 3:34:54 PM   
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I'm sorry if that came across offensively, was not my intention. I have enjoyed these reviews and I was just trying to open up a bit of debate because as you said you are reviewing films which a lot of the audience 'like' or 'love.'
It was meant more lighthearted which is in the spirit of a thread which reviews films such as "shitspotting" and "shit dogs" surely?

Perhaps I'll elaborate. You stated the film was the definition of plagiarist but I say every film borrows elements off another to some degree. There is nothing wrong with borrowing ideas and I often hear Tarantino being accused of plagiarism but I see him as a huge film fan who is rather paying homage to the films he loves.
The reason I assumed you hadn't seen the film before Tarantino was Tarantino was because you said things like 'Tarantino's regular shtick' which threw me off somewhat.



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