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RE: Being Human - 6/2/2009 1:56:54 PM   
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Eels - 'Friendly Ghost' from the album Souljacker.


Shaunette, my respect-o-meter just went off the scale! Best band in the universe.


 
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For some reason I expected him to transform into Liam Gallagher - must have been that stupid bloody hat and the cocky laddishness...




I agree with what's already been said - Needs More Mitchell.
But the snuff-porn was fantastically dark, I loved the 'Hotel California' line and I really enjoyed the bloodlust-as-addiction paralells; Mitchell digging through the bin for his fix...Very well done.
 
Not as strong as the first episode but still fanatstically brilliant and the best thing on TV right now! ...Actually, it's a tie between Supernatural and BH, but still. I LOVE this show.

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RE: Being Human - 6/2/2009 2:00:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Shaunette_ofthe_Dead]
Eels - 'Friendly Ghost' from the album Souljacker.


Shaunette, my respect-o-meter just went off the scale! Best band in the universe.


 
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For some reason I expected him to transform into Liam Gallagher - must have been that stupid bloody hat and the cocky laddishness...




I agree with what's already been said - Needs More Mitchell.
But the snuff-porn was fantastically dark, I loved the 'Hotel California' line and I really enjoyed the bloodlust-as-addiction paralells; Mitchell digging through the bin for his fix...Very well done.
 
Not as strong as the first episode but still fanatstically brilliant and the best thing on TV right now! ...Actually, it's a tie between Supernatural and BH, but still. I LOVE this show.


Lot's more Mitchell.

Hmm Mitchell or the Winchester Men tough call to make.

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RE: Being Human - 6/2/2009 5:51:12 PM   
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Annie - seriously, you're a ghost. Tully really can't do anything to you. Though it's very clear now that Owen was abusive, so maybe her emotional overreaction was more to do with that than with him......oh, and he definitely killed her. I think the clothes thing is more of her not being able to let go, not a physical ghost 'rule'.


Ooooh, I am with you on that one!! It's really made me reconsider his line, "she was mine" in the first episode...
 
 
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Lot's more Mitchell.

Hmm Mitchell or the Winchester Men tough call to make.


Could I have one order of Mitchell and a side-order of Dean to go, please?


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RE: Being Human - 7/2/2009 11:00:01 AM   
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Annie - seriously, you're a ghost. Tully really can't do anything to you. Though it's very clear now that Owen was abusive, so maybe her emotional overreaction was more to do with that than with him......oh, and he definitely killed her. I think the clothes thing is more of her not being able to let go, not a physical ghost 'rule'.


Ooooh, I am with you on that one!! It's really made me reconsider his line, "she was mine" in the first episode...
 
 
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Lot's more Mitchell.

Hmm Mitchell or the Winchester Men tough call to make.


Could I have one order of Mitchell and a side-order of Dean to go, please?



Oh that sounds good.

*starts drooling*

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RE: Being Human - 7/2/2009 7:48:22 PM   
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Really enjoying this...especially the Vampire plot.  I can't wait to find out what they are really up to.  Also love the werewolf...especially liked his new friend.

As for the ghost...i do agree with an earlier poster that really she should do more ghost things.  Like walk through walls...have more fun with it. 

Will keep on watching...:)

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RE: Being Human - 9/2/2009 8:20:53 PM   
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LOVED the latest episode! Much better than last week's - George's sex scenes were great, really funny with the whole growling thing...and is it just me that suddenly finds him rather hot..? Ahem, anyways...
 
Quelle surprise about Annie and Owen; we all saw that one coming. It was handled really well, though; very sensitively done and managing to give Owen this whole creepy intensity. Can't wait to find out where they go with it.
 
As for Mitchell and Lauren; I judge myself for finding their bathroom scene hot.... But still. I do like the addiction-metaphor and think bloodlust is making a great analogy for drug addiction, but I can't help but have one small problem with it. This being: they're vampires. Don't they have to drink blood to physically survive..? I know Mitchell said to George in ep1 "how do you think I've survived the last 100 years" and if they don't need to drink blood, just want to, doesn't that make them dying before they turn really...redundant..? And shouldn't it then be more like the film The Addiction? ....Which I also have a fundamental problem with, because if they don't physically need blood to survive they aren't vampires. I just hope we get an answer about whether Mitchell needs blood or just craves it, and if he doesn't need it then why not.
 
Also, how can a ghost buy/steal records...? The lack of ground-rules about what ghosts can and can't do bothered me here. Again.

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RE: Being Human - 10/2/2009 9:19:09 AM   
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Yeah, how did Annie get the caserole dish into Owen's house? How?!?!?

I enjoyed this again, although I find Lauren a really irritating character.

Looking forward to Annie's poltergeist activity next week!

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RE: Being Human - 10/2/2009 2:32:10 PM   
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Enjoying this series. The strange mix of drama, comedy, supernatural and horror makes this quite unique on TV at the mo. I realise other shows may touch on these subjects but Being Human just seems different, both in look and feel. And it's not trying to be American (Demons for example). It's British take on these things is why it's so watchable - and refreshing.

The only bugbear (good word that) is, as lot's of people have mentioned, is Annie's character. You need to define the rules for characters like this. Just having the viewer to accept that she's a ghost is a bit lazy in my view. You need to build in all the concequences of her being like this. At the moment, there doesn't seem to be any rules - hell, she can even be cuddled and feel pain. IMO they're really missing a trick here.

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RE: Being Human - 10/2/2009 4:59:35 PM   
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It's pretty obvious why they haven't set any ground rules for ghosts.


The budget won't stretch to include walking-through-wall shots.

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RE: Being Human - 10/2/2009 6:20:31 PM   
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Didn't really get into this until the second episode tbh. The first episode couldn't decide if it wanted to be horror, comedy or drama and managed to be very little of anything. Second episode was a definate improvement and I really enjoyed the 3rd episode... only 3 more to go!

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RE: Being Human - 10/2/2009 9:58:07 PM   
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Yeah, how did Annie get the casserole dish into Owen's house? How?!?!?



Dear god that's been driving me crazy!!  I've had to come up with my own imaginary solution - she & Gil walk through the door, then open it from the inside and bring the dish in....

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It's pretty obvious why they haven't set any ground rules for ghosts.


The budget won't stretch to include walking-through-wall shots.


*sigh* Too true - but I think they could've cut/done the shadow-change thing with one of George's transformations from the earlier episodes, and spent that money on at least one shot of Annie and/or Gilbert walking through a door - with accompanying sound-effect, maybe, so every time you want the viewer to imagine them walking through something later, you just cut the camera away and play the sound-effect.
 
And I just came up with that off the top of my head - waiting for that call, BBC. Tick-tock, chaps, this brain's only available for so long!



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RE: Being Human - 11/2/2009 1:37:12 PM   
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I'm enjoying this show but it is me irritating almost as much!  Mainly for the things mentioned like ground rules, do they need blood (this particularly should've been set out early) etc

Also as already mentioned the stories seemed rushed to fit them into one episode particularly Tully from the week before and in some respects the Gilbert thing although I did enjoy his payoff...he's obviously a talented writer but I'm sure he's being restricted by BBC to 'dumb down' so it does confuse us simple morons

It's still a 'potential' for me as long as they let it off the leash...pun intended

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RE: Being Human - 11/2/2009 1:44:33 PM   
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LOVED the latest episode! Much better than last week's - George's sex scenes were great, really funny with the whole growling thing...and is it just me that suddenly finds him rather hot..? Ahem, anyways...
 
Quelle surprise about Annie and Owen; we all saw that one coming. It was handled really well, though; very sensitively done and managing to give Owen this whole creepy intensity. Can't wait to find out where they go with it.
 
As for Mitchell and Lauren; I judge myself for finding their bathroom scene hot.... But still. I do like the addiction-metaphor and think bloodlust is making a great analogy for drug addiction, but I can't help but have one small problem with it. This being: they're vampires. Don't they have to drink blood to physically survive..? I know Mitchell said to George in ep1 "how do you think I've survived the last 100 years" and if they don't need to drink blood, just want to, doesn't that make them dying before they turn really...redundant..? And shouldn't it then be more like the film The Addiction? ....Which I also have a fundamental problem with, because if they don't physically need blood to survive they aren't vampires. I just hope we get an answer about whether Mitchell needs blood or just craves it, and if he doesn't need it then why not.
 
Also, how can a ghost buy/steal records...? The lack of ground-rules about what ghosts can and can't do bothered me here. Again.


I didn't. But then I've eaten ice-cream twisters and not seen the twist coming...

Fun is such a bourgeois concept. Loved that line. Also the 80s fella looked uncannily like my brother. Poor sod.


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RE: Being Human - 11/2/2009 1:55:59 PM   
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I also enjoyed this last episode, but agree with you all regarding the ground rules - they're losing out on a lot of potentially good drama here, I think. Possibly because they want to keep a light tone, but still, don't they know the idea is to establish all your ground rules so you can have fun deciding how and when to break them later on?

The idea that George panicked out of sex the night before the full moon but went for it on the actual
night of it rang a bit untrue to me - wouldn't it have worked better the other way round? Or maybe it just would have had more potential for drama, and less for comedy...


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RE: Being Human - 11/2/2009 5:35:11 PM   
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Watched ep 3 on iplayer and it was good.

Russell Tovey is still outshining everyone else but Im loving Annie and how before the big reveal you saw little details of how screwed up her relationship with Owen was.

Im sick of Mitchell and Lauren (especially Lauren). If i have to hear "You made me this way" one more friggin time Im going to freak.

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RE: Being Human - 12/2/2009 5:01:01 PM   
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The idea that George panicked out of sex the night before the full moon but went for it on the actual
night of it rang a bit untrue to me - wouldn't it have worked better the other way round? Or maybe it just would have had more potential for drama, and less for comedy...




I saw it more like George noticed himself getting all wolfy with Nina the night before the full moon and had enough control and enough "George" left that it freaked him out; he's an obvious control-freak, needs to maintain order, and the wolf jepordises that. So he backed out of sex then and was going to avoid it altogether for the future because he didn't know just how out of control things, and himself, could get.
 
Then on the night of the full moon Nina corners him, and he's not got enough control left to resist so he can't hold himself back and just goes for it - the wolf-side of him is in the driving-seat, hence the use of doggy-style and him biting at her shirt...Whew, did it get hot in here or is that just me?  Anyhoo, the morning-after he's glad it happened; but before-hand he wouldn't have gone for it unless it was full moon and he was too wolfy to say no.
 
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Im sick of Mitchell and Lauren (especially Lauren). If i have to hear "You made me this way" one more friggin time Im going to freak.


I'm loving Mitchell (and I mean LOVING Mitchell ) - but Lauren is a grating character. I think it's mostly the actress; she's better than the girl whom played Lauren in the pilot, but she's still not that great and she takes already whingey lines and makes them unbearable.
 
But the blood issue is starting to bother me: they are VAMPIRES. Vampires need to drink blood. Surely?! I can understand newbie vamps not being able to control their bloodlust and it could've been played as that's what's happening, Lauren can't get herself under control and find a balance, but to say "I'm clean" and for Mitchell to say the only way is to stop altogether....Grr.  If he doesn't need to drink blood then he's not a vampire; they're just weirdos with a physical addiction to blood.

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RE: Being Human - 13/2/2009 9:54:13 AM   
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Shaunette, on reflection I think you're probably right about George and the sex - yes, btw, it is getting hot in here . It just seems like they're playing George's situation for laughs rather than for drama, when there'a plenty of drama to be had from it.

I agree totally about Mitchell and blood. Basic vampire concept - 'the blood is the life' - if you
don't have that, and they can go out in daylight, then surely they're not really vampires?
Initially I assumed the reason he worked at a hospital was so he could raid the bloodbanks rather
than having to bite people.

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RE: Being Human - 13/2/2009 6:42:31 PM   
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Watched episodes 2 & 3 finally and really loved them, this series is shaping up to be really good. One thing that bugs me is that it feels as though they need more time to expand on things, like the slutty vampire girl, a real decent of her character over time would have been awesome, but I guess with the 6 episode English TV this is what we get. And as many others have said they need to set some ground rules for Ghosts, does shit just look like it's floating around to normal people when shes carrying stuff? Minor quibbles aside I love what I've seen so far.

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RE: Being Human - 15/2/2009 7:52:55 PM   
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Really, I think this show needs some geeks on board so we can sort out all the ground rules for ghosts, vampires etc!  It's still a fantastic show, but really ep1 should've been spent not only establishing the characters, but setting out how what they are effects them and the world around them.
 
If only it would sort out the quibbles we've been talking about (and if the Beeb had allowed them a longer run so they could spend more time developing storylines instead of wedging them into single hour episodes), it would be damned near perfect.

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RE: Being Human - 15/2/2009 8:18:11 PM   
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Its a good point because what are Mitchells limitations? If he can walk about in daylight and abstain from living blood for long periods of time what is it that makes him special? He may have the immortality thing down but assuming he can be killed by stakes (like a any human would) then what is the point of him?

I think I may have made a foe of you Shaunette, I really dont get Mitchell. At the moment his purpose seems to be looking pretty and tolerating Lauren for no good reason.

Hopefully Herrick will come back and the vampires of bristol will have a more convincing dynamic.

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RE: Being Human - 16/2/2009 10:06:23 AM   
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I really enjoyed this again last night. The ground rules for ghosts is still ropy though - Annie moaning about not being able to get behind the fridge to clean but she can start a fire and burn photos?

The only problem as mentioned before is the way there is a story that is resolved within the space of an episode - George turning "bad", the other ghost resolving his issues, Mitchell being accused of paedophilia last night. But then we've got the overarc'ing stories to keep us going I suppose like George's relationship and Mitchell's decision to go back to Herrick.

Only two episodes left :(

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RE: Being Human - 16/2/2009 5:58:07 PM   
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Its a good point because what are Mitchells limitations? If he can walk about in daylight and abstain from living blood for long periods of time what is it that makes him special? He may have the immortality thing down but assuming he can be killed by stakes (like a any human would) then what is the point of him?

I think I may have made a foe of you Shaunette, I really dont get Mitchell. At the moment his purpose seems to be looking pretty and tolerating Lauren for no good reason.

Hopefully Herrick will come back and the vampires of bristol will have a more convincing dynamic.

I agree, the most boring & cliched character is MItchell. & really they should set some rules. I understand the vampire/drug addict thing they are going for & the daylight thing isn't an issue as its true to Stoker's novel, but surely if a vampire doesn't drink blood, they die?

Also found last nights episode to be the weakest.

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RE: Being Human - 16/2/2009 8:32:23 PM   
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RE: Being Human - 16/2/2009 8:35:25 PM   
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Would throwing some LKH books in her way distract her?

Nah...no sane person would fall for that

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RE: Being Human - 17/2/2009 9:55:44 AM   
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I really enjoyed this again last night. The ground rules for ghosts is still ropy though - Annie moaning about not being able to get behind the fridge to clean but she can start a fire and burn photos?



I assumed this was because the fridge was too heavy for her too move (she'a just a weak girlie, and the boys don't seem too keen on housework), rather than not being able to get hold of it to move 'cos she's a ghost.

I enjoyed last night's episode, but it did seem a little forced in some respects. Mitchell developed a relationship with the kid and his mum within 2 minutes! This is the problem of having a six episode series with each plotline pretty much confined to one episode - it would have worked better to have had a running plotline with the kid. Mitchell could have pushed him away to start with, then gradually got to know him and his mum, then the accusation would have been a lot more stomach-turning.

I thought the George/Nina stuff was really good this week.

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RE: Being Human - 19/2/2009 12:46:17 PM   
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Sssshhhh, don't ruin my element of surprise....
 
 

 
I really, really enjoyed this week's episode!! Thought it was fantastic; I love that we had Mitchell at his msot human, his most happy, only for him to go back to Herrick - not because the vampires could tempt him back in, but because the humans drove him away. I thought that was a great touch.
 
That said, yeah, Mitchell developing a relationship with Bernie in one day was too quick - some past hints in earlier "getting to know the neighbours" scenes would've helped. Let's be honest, no mum in her right mind is going to let her son go play at the house of a complete stranger, especially when that stranger is an adult man. Very good storytelling aside from this inconsistency, though.
 
And I've been following the BH blog on the Beeb and creator Toby Whitehouse has this to say re: vampires:-
"Vampires and blood. Yes, SharonTheHarper, you're absolutely right. The analogy we use for blood in Being Human is drugs. We're saying the hunger is for blood is psychological. Mitchell will discuss it further in ep 6, but essentially the craving is something he could in theory overcome. I always thought this was an interesting way of approaching it, as it meant Mitchell could renounce blood without starving to death, but it allowed enough struggle to make the battle interesting."

Bah humbugs. While it does make a rgeat addiction analogy, surely the whole "blood is the life" thing is what gives vampires their immortality?! This is a major falling-down point for me. Yes, it does make for interesting story-telling, but it makes them not really vampires. How does changing a human work if it's just a psychological thing?! Why would they develop fangs? How would they remain the age they were when they were turned, forever? There seem to be hints they're stronger than humans (or George for that matter), so how would that work if it's purely psychological..?
 
Aside from that I thought it was a nice touch when Lauren said, "We get the message, we're leaving you alone" and it was Mitchell that chased after her, like when kids make these big "I'm going to play in the street and die" dramatic statements for attention.  Was nice to see a bit of the ole fists-and-fangs action at the start of the episode, too. Also Jason Wilkins (Herrick) deserves massive kudos for his acting. When he was talking to Mitchell in the hospital, getting him to remember "that soldier" in Glasgow...Brilliant. It was so obvious to the viewer that Herrick was deliberately leading Mitchell, manipulating him back towards the ways of the old days; and Mitchell was utterly unaware of jsut how he was being led. Masterful!

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RE: Being Human - 20/2/2009 9:43:08 AM   
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Bah humbugs. While it does make a rgeat addiction analogy, surely the whole "blood is the life" thing is what gives vampires their immortality?! This is a major falling-down point for me. Yes, it does make for interesting story-telling, but it makes them not really vampires. How does changing a human work if it's just a psychological thing?! Why would they develop fangs? How would they remain the age they were when they were turned, forever? There seem to be hints they're stronger than humans (or George for that matter), so how would that work if it's purely psychological..?
 


Argh! So what magic trick does Mitchell use to save the dying kid's life, huh? If it's not the blood that is giving him (un)life, what is? What is it that's going to make him live forever?
I noticed they didn't touch on the fact that the kid will stay that age forever, and eventually end up with an ancient mind in a young boy's body...

I know we're meant to suspend disbelief in order to follow the story they want to tell, but there has to be some plot logic involved!

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RE: Being Human - 20/2/2009 9:56:05 AM   
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Maybe the blood keeps them young without the physical urge. Perhaps Mitchell will grow old with drinking?

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RE: Being Human - 20/2/2009 11:57:35 AM   
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I just went had a quick look at the blog - the writer says he's never watched an episode of Buffy!!

Heresy!!



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RE: Being Human - 22/2/2009 6:09:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kathryn2

I noticed they didn't touch on the fact that the kid will stay that age forever, and eventually end up with an ancient mind in a young boy's body...


Yeah, that was a bit of a mis-step; I mean we've all seen/read Interview with the Vampire, it's pretty obvious that keeping someone physically a child forever will suck massively. Maybe we're meant to see it as Mitchell's just thinking about Fleur and wanting to make it better for her - he does refuse to let Bernie thank him and gets weird about it, and that "he'll be looked after" is a bit open-ended. It could be that the vamps would just put Bernie down like a mad dog once being eternally a child starts to break him psychologically.
 
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ORIGINAL: tftrman

Maybe the blood keeps them young without the physical urge. Perhaps Mitchell will grow old with drinking?



I thought that wouldbe a good way to handle it, too! Would make sense and keep within the rules of Whitehouse's world.



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