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RE: No Country For Old Men - 31/7/2008 5:28:27 PM   
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I’ve seen this film twice now and although I enjoyed and appreciated it the first time around, I was less forgiving about it after a second viewing. I personally think the Coen Brothers are brilliant filmmakers but No Country just doesn’t work for me. First thing that bugs me is the folly of the films supposed primary theme; chance. Seriously, all the coin flipping is so blatant and un-subtle that surely it can’t be what the film is about, can it? I’ve always found the Coen’s work to be very refined, so to be bashed over the head with something so clichéd as a-man-flipping-a-coin-to-represent-chance just doesn’t seem quite right for me.

Obviously, No Country isn’t a bad film. Technically it’s brilliant, in terms of cinematography; shot selection, lighting and framing everything on screen is impeccably done. Also, the acting is superb; Bardman’s Chigurh is instantly iconic. Brolin’s LIewelyn (surely a name that should be used more in movies) is strong but vulnerable, unapologetically simple, yet layered. Equally, Tommy Lee Jones’s Ed Tom is an interesting and enigmatic character. However therein is one of the main problems I have with this film; the Ed Tom story thread just doesn’t fit in this film; thematically and tonally it’s at odds with the main story and all it does is succeed in giving the film a bloated feel. For me, it’s a case of a good performance that has been added to the detriment of the rest of the film.

So what is No Country For Old Men about? It can’t be about chance as that is too obvious. It can’t be about getting old because it has so little to say. Is it about the insignificance of man off-set against the indeterminably powerful presence of nature and the relentless passage of time? Perhaps, but the Coen’s have never been complex and pretentious just for the sake of being complex and pretentious.

I can appreciate the fact that No Country is a good film, well made with some great composite elements. However I don’t feel it has the vibrancy of O Brother, Where Art Thou?, or the humour of Fargo, or the intelligence of Barton Fink. For me, this film is an un-satisfying mix of art house filmmaking and mainstream marketing, which benefits from great performances and an interesting central story but is damaged by poor choices in terms of muddled themes, sound design and the inclusion of an unnecessary sub-plot in what otherwise would have been a brilliant film. 
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RE: No Country For Old Men - 31/7/2008 5:28:49 PM   
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I’ve seen this film twice now and although I enjoyed and appreciated it the first time around, I was less forgiving about it after a second viewing. I personally think the Coen Brothers are brilliant filmmakers but No Country just doesn’t work for me. First thing that bugs me is the folly of the films supposed primary theme; chance. Seriously, all the coin flipping is so blatant and un-subtle that surely it can’t be what the film is about, can it? I’ve always found the Coen’s work to be very refined, so to be bashed over the head with something so clichéd as a-man-flipping-a-coin-to-represent-chance just doesn’t seem quite right for me.

Obviously, No Country isn’t a bad film. Technically it’s brilliant, in terms of cinematography; shot selection, lighting and framing everything on screen is impeccably done. Also, the acting is superb; Bardman’s Chigurh is instantly iconic. Brolin’s LIewelyn (surely a name that should be used more in movies) is strong but vulnerable, unapologetically simple, yet layered. Equally, Tommy Lee Jones’s Ed Tom is an interesting and enigmatic character. However therein is one of the main problems I have with this film; the Ed Tom story thread just doesn’t fit in this film; thematically and tonally it’s at odds with the main story and all it does is succeed in giving the film a bloated feel. For me, it’s a case of a good performance that has been added to the detriment of the rest of the film.

So what is No Country For Old Men about? It can’t be about chance as that is too obvious. It can’t be about getting old because it has so little to say. Is it about the insignificance of man off-set against the indeterminably powerful presence of nature and the relentless passage of time? Perhaps, but the Coen’s have never been complex and pretentious just for the sake of being complex and pretentious.

I can appreciate the fact that No Country is a good film, well made with some great composite elements. However I don’t feel it has the vibrancy of O Brother, Where Art Thou?, or the humour of Fargo, or the intelligence of Barton Fink. For me, this film is an un-satisfying mix of art house filmmaking and mainstream marketing, which benefits from great performances and an interesting central story but is damaged by poor choices in terms of muddled themes, sound design and the inclusion of an unnecessary sub-plot in what otherwise would have been a brilliant film. 

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Stunned - 11/8/2008 11:09:57 AM   
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I must be the only person in the world that hates this film. I thought it was dull, boring, confusing and I couldn't understand a bloody word anyone was saying with their strong Texan accents. In my opinion this film is totally mis-judged!

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You've been putting up you're whole life, you just didn... - 14/8/2008 8:50:11 PM   
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Was in New York when this came out and had to make a deal with the missus to go see it there "Only if you see Enchanted with me" she cried. Now that was a toughy considering the Coen's previous two offerings, but I'm a fan so had to bite the bullet "DEAL". Thankfully the brothers didn't let me down, pure class. I was gripped from the very start and realised after just 10 minutes that I was in the hands of two genius' at work. Anton Chigurh is one of the best movie villians of all time, played to perfection by Bardem. Considering that I watched this in early January I knew that I wouldn't see a better film all year, we're now over half way through and so far I've been proved right. Pure class

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Sorry, what was that? - 28/8/2008 7:45:40 PM   
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Wonderful to look at? Yes. Good Acting? Faultless, The Worst Sound Mix of all Time? Absoulutely! Was it just me or was this the most difficult film to listen to ever? I had my TV Cranked up to Max more or less & still stuggled to catch all the dialogue.

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RE: Stunned - 28/8/2008 11:53:19 PM   
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cant say i hated it but its not THAT great.nothing special for me after all the hype around it.if javier bardem can win an oscar for a ok performance,then heath ledger is gonna win an oscar from beyond the grave!

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LACK OF ANSWERS ROCK! - 31/8/2008 12:22:55 AM   
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this film was the best coen brothers' film I have ever seen!
I enjoyed the script, the suspense and the bad guy who is the best villan since Darth Vader. But most people don't like it cos' of the lack of climax. COME ON! The lack of answers is exactly what made film brilliant.
I enjoyed the film, and anybody who doesn't like the lack of answers
should go watch cartoons cos obviously your imagination isn't big enough to let a film leave something to it.
EXELLANT!

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RE: No Country For Old Men - 2/9/2008 8:56:35 PM   
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I have seen No Country For Old Men twice now and I think it's a modern masterpiece and the Coens' best work yet. However, I'm reading these reviews that are trying to say that there is no real point to the film, or that it's meangingless, or that it lacks substance, and I couldn't disagree more.

My take on the essence of the story is that it shows the triumph of the mad and insane over the ordinary folk, and then roots deeper to show how the ordinary folk can't understand the whole thing, and then roots deeper again to show how the ordinary folk try to cope with their incapacity, to understand the whole thing... (breath). Therefore, really 'in essence' I think it's about how we ordinary folk deal with the things in life we just can't understand. That's why I think this movie has loads of substance, and of course loads of meaning.

I think the profound undertone of this story lies in Tommy Lee Jones' character, Sheriff Ed Tom Bell. He is an ordinary folk, who meets something that upsets and frightens him and of course, it's something he can't understand. No-one can understand this man of chaos, really, however Bell is compelled to review this defeat. As a Sheriff who was looking forward to retiring a proud man, he is haunted by the whole episode and feels incompetent, insingificant, isolate and even in his worst moments you can imagine him feeling slightly responsible and ashamed. He is old fashioned and comes across as a person who has always done things his way. He encounters a sign of changing times and he can't comprehend the complete lack of respect shown, futhermore it petrifies him. Then, in the final scene, the way in which Bell copes with it all is revealed, well at least I think so.  

Some believe that the movie was entertaining, and then it just ended, leaving you bewildered. I must admit, when I first watched it I felt slightly bewildered too, but after watching it again I think it is brilliant. [Spoiler Alert!]. Sheriff Bell describes his recurrent dreams to his wife, 'the one's with his father in them'. He describes how they both are on horse back in a mountain, and it's cold and snowy, but his father rides on without saying a word. I think this dream epitimises Bell's current feelings of loneliness. He feels like someone has left him behind, and I think this person maybe God. I base this on Bell's dialogue when he talks about God overlooking tragedies, (something on those lines, halfway in the movie). Furthermore, I think this dream represents Bell's whole episode. He belivevs that his father left him to go and build a fire, so that when he got there, his father would be waiting to warm him. Similarily, although he is alone in a dark place now, Bell believes that God is waiting to comfort him. And that's how he copes.

Even though I felt alot rests on the final scene, I think that the definitive moment in the movie was when Bell visited the crime scene where Llewelyn Moss was killed. Bell was frightened and had to edge himself nervously in. He very loosely searched around, then sat on the bed in relief. However, my interpretation is that he knew in the back of his mind that Chirgurh was there. He wanted to visit the crime scene to persuade himself that he was being dutiful and doing all he could, and he convinced himself just enough to cope. However, in the back of his mind, he had decided to retire instead of pursuing his fear, a defeat that will stay with him, but again one he will cope with.

In conclusion, this film has endless interpretations, and that's why it's a great film. I believe that it explores very deep and personal feelings and that is why it is a movie of substance, and of course meaning.

Of course, I must mention that I liked everything else about the movie, hence *****.







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RE: No Country For Old Men - 4/9/2008 12:43:56 AM   
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WORST ENDING EVER.

"But it's the ending that's in the book!"

SO? I'M WATCHING A MOVIE I'M NOT READING A BOOK! 'JAWS' DOESN'T FINISH WITH A SHARK HAVING AN OXYGEN TANK BEING BLOWN UP IN THE SHARK'S MOUTH, BUT I DEFY ANYONE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER ENDING THAN THE MOVIE.

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RE: No Country For Old Men - 4/9/2008 7:30:17 AM   
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Excellent post, Murtagh.  Beautifully said.

People just want everything tied up with a bow on top, and if it isn't, they "hate" it.  God forbid a film should disturb you a little, linger in your brain, make you think, or subvert your expectations.  Would these people really have been happy with a bloody gunfight between good and evil at the end?  Like every other movie ever made??  I wonder.  Maybe the sad truth is they would.

It really is the Coens' best.  Spare, powerful, exciting, haunting, pitch black but ironically with a humanity sometimes lacking in their work. (It's my belief that Carla Jean "wins" over evil when she refuses that coin flip).  It's just like a perfect little cinematic gem.  One for the ages.  

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- 8/9/2008 6:09:54 PM   
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wow.

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i do agree bad ending, *SPOILERS* - 27/9/2008 11:22:57 PM   
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SPOILERS...Ok, where do i start, the ending is soo bad - dont get me wrong, its a very good film, but the main 'baddie' getting away, and us not finding out what happens, isn't really a good ending.
I dont mind in a film if you can make up your own ending a bit, but being left completly in the dark about the whole thing, isnt really my thing.
good film though, 4/5

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RE: No Country For Old Men - 13/10/2008 10:40:26 AM   
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Excellent film. Endings was a bit anti-climactic, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I think my main problem with it was the inconsistency between it and the beginning of the film. We're occasionally allowed to see Chirgurh graphically kill and threaten, then occasionally he would disappear and we are back with the protagonist, as if Chirgurh is some mythical 'movie' bad guy (possessed of supernatural powers).

Then we don't get to know what happens with certain characters. We get to find out the fate of the shop keeper, even the death off-screen of the chicken lorry man, the graphic killing of policeman and the chap he pulls over. We get to see the effect of his shotgun on 3 Mexicans, he's own injuries graphically displayed., etc...

It's just a little odd to have our perspective changed inconsistently through the film. Assuming the Cohen's are trying to present some meaning with this change and chop of protagonist, perspective and view point. However for me it's just a bit too unsatisfying, it's possible to leave questions unanswered and perhaps if Chirgurh himself was a bit more consistent himself it would take away some of the cheated feeling. For example how often does he toss a coin for his victims? Why is it every so often? What is his code that Harrelson's character refers too?

Too many questions, demands a re-watch which I think can almost be a criticism in itself. However it's an excellent film and raises a lot of interesting questions regarding intricacies in film making, even if as I suspect a closer analysis will reveal more inconsistencies and flaws than the perfect woven blanket I'm hoping for.

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RE: No Country For Old Men - 13/10/2008 10:54:36 AM   
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Love the coen brothers but i reckon a lot of people are praising No Country For Old Men a little bit too highly out of pure relief that it isn't Intolerable Cruelty. Good but not great imho

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RE: - 21/10/2008 4:10:12 PM   
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A superb film! Atmosphere, acting, characters, nastiness and above all a good ending - refreshing!!! (so to speak)

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RE: RE: - 25/10/2008 3:47:39 PM   
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One of the worst films iv ever seen.The ending just made me go ''Eh? is that it?''

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RE: RE: - 25/10/2008 4:20:44 PM   
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You have to be kidding. If this is one of the worst movies you`ve ever seen, how many movies have you seen in your lifetime? can`t be a great many if you think this is the worst one of them all....

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RE: RE: - 25/10/2008 8:48:24 PM   
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One of the best films I've seen. Didn't fancy it to be honest but glad that i watched it.

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RE: RE: - 26/10/2008 12:53:31 PM   
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Jeez, a lot of morons on here seem to be really desperate to have a nice, wrapped-up ending. You guys are the reason films don't progress as an artisitc medium as much as they should. 

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sfgcv - 3/12/2008 4:20:36 AM   
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RE: RE: - 3/1/2009 2:37:50 PM   
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I do like this film a lot, I own a copy on DVD, but it is not beyond criticism, especially the ending. My main problem with the ending is that I still find it a little bit odd, albeit a lot better than a standard Hollywood happy ever after shoot-out.

Let me explain - The film is bookended by Sherriff Bell and clearly works best in my opinion when viewed as his story, a rather tragic tale of a man coming to terms with his own limitations, becoming more and more aware of his own mortality.

However I would argue that the film devotes so much screen time to the exploits of Anton and Moss that this key theme becomes sidelined. I don't believe that an audience should be spoon fed, I just think that Bell's character deserved more screen time so that we could witness his character's growing realisation that he was hopelessly out of his depth.

I like the ideas put forward in the ending which makes perfect sense of the title, but I still believe the film would have benefitted with more screen time for Bell. I just found it odd that such a tough old character as Bell would suddenly retire in the middle of a case, the film just didn't give me the impression that this was developing into one manhunt too far for the Sherriff.


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RE: RE: - 3/1/2009 6:48:57 PM   
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I think the case for Bell was just the straw that broke the camel's back, but you make a valid point nonetheless. 

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RE: RE: - 4/1/2009 11:31:42 PM   
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Can't really put it any better than Murtagh did. When I saw this at the cinema I liked it but it was the second viewing that was the charm. There is so much going on in this film and it's arguably the Coens most mature work to date, if not their best.

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- 25/1/2009 4:49:49 PM   
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Almost certainly the best thriller of 2008. A simply brilliant film from the Coen Brothers.

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- 25/1/2009 4:49:49 PM   
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Almost certainly the best thriller of 2008. A simply brilliant film from the Coen Brothers.

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- 28/1/2009 12:35:17 PM   
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this film was fantastic. i loved the silent opening and the ending which everybody else didnt get. i thought it was brilliantly written and directed by the coen brothers had superb performances and was gripping the whole way through

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- 4/2/2009 9:04:11 AM   
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An amazing achievement. For their first time adapting a screenplay, the Coens nailed it. Javier Bardem's acting was awesome. Fargo may be their masterpiece in my eyes, but No Country will be a film they're remembered by. Great cinematography.

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The film of the decade? - 10/3/2009 12:43:47 AM   
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An exhilirating neo-noir that exceeded my expectations. The Coens' have nailed adapting material that wasn't originally theirs and the finished product is their best work since Fargo. Javier Bardem brings to the screen a villain to rival Hannibal Lecter. Could this be the film of the 2000s?

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