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RE: Superman Returns - 15/8/2012 11:59:55 AM   
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Lois Lane on the train is about 10-11 maybe? Clark Kent is 18. He then goes off to the Fortress of Solitude for 10 years.

So when he goes to Metropolis he's 28 and Lois is 20-21.

Let's say Superman I&II take place over a couple of months, then there's another couple of months before Superman leaves. So a year. Then Superman comes back five years later.

That would make Clark 34 and Lois 26-27 in Superman Returns.

Either way it's pretty insignificant and nothing worth getting bothered about. People complaining about ages are just looking for something to criticise.


So Superman Returns is set in the mid to late eighties? I dont think they had cell phones back then like the one that a kid uses to photograph Supes while he is lifting a car!



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RE: Superman Returns - 15/8/2012 12:09:23 PM   
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It's a comic book movie. If a comic book writer can decide 70 years of events happened in a 20 year period of the character's life but with the stories throughout those 70 years forever taking place in the present, there's no reason why a movie based on a comic book character can't do the same. Especially considering it should be seen as a partial reboot as well as a sequel.
It's not even reserved for comic book movies... Dr. No to Die Another Day all take place within the same continuity. Bond remains around the same age, and technology/politics/etc. proceeds in real time.
I'm not a fan of the movie at all, but it's both part of the same continuity and brought into the present day, therefore their respective ages in the original film still apply on the updated timeline.

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RE: Superman Returns - 15/8/2012 6:22:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: directorscut

Lois Lane on the train is about 10-11 maybe? Clark Kent is 18. He then goes off to the Fortress of Solitude for 10 years.

So when he goes to Metropolis he's 28 and Lois is 20-21.

Let's say Superman I&II take place over a couple of months, then there's another couple of months before Superman leaves. So a year. Then Superman comes back five years later.

That would make Clark 34 and Lois 26-27 in Superman Returns.

Either way it's pretty insignificant and nothing worth getting bothered about. People complaining about ages are just looking for something to criticise.


So Superman Returns is set in the mid to late eighties? I dont think they had cell phones back then like the one that a kid uses to photograph Supes while he is lifting a car!




They brought it to a present day setting, so what ? I really don't get this statutory rape shit either, Superman 2 Lois and Clark are in their 20's, Returns late 20's possibly 30's. I don't remember Margot Kidder playing Lois as a sixteen year old school girl in Superman 2. Seriously where the fck is this warped, sick shit coming from ?


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RE: Superman Returns - 16/8/2012 5:38:44 PM   
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From people obsessed with nitpicking over every single little thing about Superman Returns. It's called 'poetic license' and it's what Singer used to position his film as a not-quite sequel, not quite-reboot. People crying about it and wetting their Richard Donner Y-fronts about it desperately need a sense of perspective.

Do people complain that the narrative of Bond films make no sense? I mean, it's the same bloke yet he's clearly having missions in the '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s and '10s and he doesn't age.

THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE WAH WAH WAH


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RE: Superman Returns - 16/8/2012 6:20:31 PM   
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However Bond is not bone crushingly dull or taking itself very, very, very, very seriously.



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RE: Superman Returns - 16/8/2012 6:56:42 PM   
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Yeah the plot/ character flaws are minor in comparison with it's main problem - it's bloody boring.

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RE: Superman Returns - 17/8/2012 2:12:06 PM   
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Best review of Superman Returns ever...

http://youtu.be/w_EkvOCjc9A

< Message edited by Cool Breeze -- 18/8/2012 8:29:58 PM >


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RE: Superman Returns - 19/8/2012 1:02:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Best review of The Star Wars Prequels ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Zmuoze65U


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RE: Superman Returns - 19/8/2012 9:15:09 AM   
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Wrong thread Monstercat.Superman Returns is on trial here not Star Wars.

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RE: Superman Returns - 19/8/2012 11:58:14 AM   
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Wrong thread Monstercat.Superman Returns is on trial here not Star Wars.But Patton Oswalt is right: The prequels are rubbish.



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RE: Superman Returns - 19/8/2012 4:04:35 PM   
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Fucks sake monstercat. Stop acitng like a mod.

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RE: Superman Returns - 19/8/2012 8:00:47 PM   
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John Ottmans score to this film is horrible.Besides the faithful rendition of Williams Superman themes, his own score to the film just consists of boys choir droning on and on.Choir can be effective in a films score when used sparingly but Ottman goes realy overboard with it as he does in his X2 score.

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RE: Superman Returns - 20/8/2012 8:30:47 AM   
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droning on and on.



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RE: Superman Returns - 20/8/2012 11:04:11 AM   
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Wouldn't the force of Superman's ejaculation cause severe internal damage to Lane?

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RE: Superman Returns - 20/8/2012 11:38:30 AM   
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Somebody has been watching Mallrats.

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RE: Superman Returns - 22/8/2012 10:40:09 AM   
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Part 3 is up........http://blip.tv/confused-matthew/superman-returns-movie-review-pt-3-6302168

As you can guess the superkid plot gets a right kicking ( As does Lois' age which makes the idea of Supes fathering a kid with this woman a bit '' statutory ''.

A perfect summation of the film at the end of the review '' Superman Returns, a bland, lifeless film that doesnt know what it wants to be, or where it wants to go ''.


Urgh... is this how we're backing up our arguments these days? With fringe video reviews?

Ok, the more reputable IndieWire have posted a two part video essay on why Superman Returns is a "neglected gem in the comic book movie genre".

http://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/video-essay#

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RE: Superman Returns - 22/8/2012 2:52:23 PM   
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Has there ever been a more divisive film on Movie Trials?

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RE: Superman Returns - 29/8/2012 9:11:36 AM   
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Guilty - Worst Superhero Movie ever!. Why?. Bad script, bad cast, Bad effects not to mention the homoerotic Superman suit. I despise this movie so much simply because after Xmen I expected Singer to pull this off, instead he made a complete an utter mess of it!. Fuck it makes me angry just talking about it.

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RE: Superman Returns - 29/8/2012 6:41:24 PM   
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Guilty - Worst Superhero Movie ever!. Why?. Bad script, bad cast, Bad effects not to mention the homoerotic Superman suit. I despise this movie so much simply because after Xmen I expected Singer to pull this off, instead he made a complete an utter mess of it!. Fuck it makes me angry just talking about it.


Hardly the worst superhero film ever, it's not even the worst Superman film.

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RE: Superman Returns - 29/8/2012 9:04:43 PM   
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Nuclear Man!

End of the day, if you don't like it by now you never will and if you liked it you are probably not going to grow to hate it. I used to hate it but am now ambivalent about it as it is but a footnote in the history of cinema an d only a small one at that.

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 2:07:26 AM   
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Nuclear Man!

End of the day, if you don't like it by now you never will and if you liked it you are probably not going to grow to hate it. I used to hate it but am now ambivalent about it as it is but a footnote in the history of cinema an d only a small one at that.


I was one of the ones that loved it when it came out, but slowly, after each viewing I began to realise my folly and now I fucking hate it!

Actually hate is a strong word, lets just say 'dislike' or not as excited about it. It's by no means a bad film - it has its moments, but it could have been so much better. Ultimately Singer should have finished off his X-Men trilogy - it could have been an awesome film with him still involved rather than the utter shite we got thanks to his replacement Brett Rattner. After Superman, his career has gone down the pan in my view.

By the way, I love Nuclear Man! Lets call it childhood nostalgia!

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 12:49:08 PM   
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Just to re-iterate - it's bollocks

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 1:46:38 PM   
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not to mention the homoerotic Superman suit



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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 10:40:14 PM   
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This hatred of Lois Lane, is it personal or something? She's not Satan.


Ok, maybe not hate. But her character was unappealing in the film. Give me Hatcher from the TV show.



Most people in the movie aren't that appealing. Lois takes her son into the supervillains' boat (great parenting!), doesn't seem to care about the only decent guy in the film, Superman stalks Lois, and so on. I liked it at the time, but those who say Superman wasn't very heroic have some points. Aside from which, were the original Donner films really good enough to do extended sequel-cum-homages to them?

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 10:42:45 PM   
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Guilty - Worst Superhero Movie ever!. Why?. Bad script, bad cast, Bad effects not to mention the homoerotic Superman suit. I despise this movie so much simply because after Xmen I expected Singer to pull this off, instead he made a complete an utter mess of it!. Fuck it makes me angry just talking about it.


Hardly the worst superhero film ever, it's not even the worst Superman film.


Well said. Superman IV makes Rocky IV look like Fast Five!

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 10:46:07 PM   
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Singer said in a recent interview about the film that he '' Wanted to make a Superhero film that women could see ''.Right Bryan,women do not go see superhero movies AT ALL do they? so why not make Superman into a mega expensive chick flick?



Come on dude, do you really think The Avengers would have been the third most successful movie ever if only guys went to see comic book movies?

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 10:48:19 PM   
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Yeah the plot/ character flaws are minor in comparison with it's main problem - it's bloody boring.



The first half has some spectacle - the best part for me in the plane scene is when he lands it in the baseball field, his face goes up on the jumbotron, and everyone cheers. Arguably a bit cheesy, but it gets me every time


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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 11:01:01 PM   
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So Superman Returns is set in the mid to late eighties? I dont think they had cell phones back then like the one that a kid uses to photograph Supes while he is lifting a car!





but how important are these issues? Surely Singer wanted to make a sequel to the Donner movies because he perceived them to be, essentially, timeless Superman stories, not ones that gain their effects from being bound to a 70s/80s context?

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 11:04:42 PM   
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not to mention the homoerotic Superman suit



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To give Dannybohy the benefit of the doubt, there was a lot of chat at the time about Routh's supposedly impressive package being allegedly overdisplayed by the trunks in a manner that reminded some of Schumaker's batsuits I think the Sun claimed it had to be airbrushed down or CGId or something but then it is the Sun so caveat emptor.

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RE: Superman Returns - 30/8/2012 11:08:57 PM   
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Comics Alliance did some great in-depth reviews of all the Superman movies, Supergirl, Batman Begins, Dark Knight, and are just doing X-Men 3 currently. This is part one on Superman Returns

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http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/07/02/comicsalliance-reviews-superman-returns-2006-part-one/

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