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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 17/1/2013 6:57:38 PM   
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I may have just cum a little at that transfer gossip.


and you're a neutral haha, if this happens then I may actually expire in a state of pure orgasmic bliss.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 12:00:43 AM   
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I think we know this isn't going to happen, because why would one of the 3 most wanted forwards in the world join Arsenal?
Wenger may as well say he's going to team him up with Falcao for next season because there would have to be some seriously fucked up series of events for it to ever come off. But lets say it does happen and Cavani plus Zaha signs, he still needs at least one real top centre half, and a more defensively minded midfielder before Arsenal are even close to a threat for titles. So the £50 Million on those two needs backing up with probably a similar amount again. Without this it would just be Arsenal from last season basically swapping RvP with Cavani ,a very dangerous forward line but with a defense everyone would like to play against every week.
They need strengthening at both ends of the pitch with a top class talent and this just shows how far behind the top 2 they have fallen and Man Utd close to a great team this season either.

All that said it would be fucking amazing for my home life and the league generally.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 12:46:32 AM   
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Did you know only two teams have conceded less goals than Arsenal this season (Man City and Chelsea)? They're hardly the famous back four but they've hardly been terrible. If you were offer me any of United's defensive five this season, the only two I would take is De Gea ahead of Szczesny and Rafael ahead of Sagna (though that's also to do with Sagna being well below-par this season). The same would go for City (Kompany + Zabaleta).

If anything, our problem this season has been at the other end - we've lost a guy who scored 30 goals last season, replaced two thirds of our frontline and expected them to both adjust immediately, and indulged a notoriously inconsistent winger's fantasy of being the new Henry. Looking through this season's results, there haven't been that many points lost due to poor defensive play (Everton, Swansea, arguably Southampton since their goal was a defensive muckup), but quite a few due to a lack of attacking sharpness (Sunderland, Stoke, Fulham, Aston Villa, arguably Southampton since the frontline were awful in that game - one shot on target if I recall correctly?). As for the rest - we had ten men for 80 minutes against City and didn't really try very hard, United were just better than us when we played them and the Chelsea game was split evenly between poor defending from set pieces and Gervinho having a Gervinho-esque kind of day.

I'm a fan of Giroud and Podolski has been inconsistent going forward (his defensive workrate is commendable though), but I'm not under any illusion that they're world-class. I don't expect a deal for Cavani to happen either, but if it were hypothetically to happen you'd see an effect similar to RVP at United this season and us last season - someone who'll score regularly enough to turn at least some of those defeats into draws and draws into wins. Sometimes there isn't much tactical insight to be taken from something other than that. (ie United strolling the league despite having a suspect defence and a midfield somewhere between non-existent and ancient). Can our defence improve? Yes. Is it costing us titles like it used to? Not so much.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 9:53:15 AM   
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The stats may point to a stronger defence, but I've watch Arsenal quite a lot this season and defensively you are poor.
The amount of chances being offered up to the opposition is far too high, and at key times that could really damage you.
There just doesn't seem any real confidence in the team about the ability to defend, and I honestly think at least 1 if not 2 quality center halves are needed if you are to compete to win serious silverware.

The keepers young so I think you have to give him time, but Mertesacker and Koscielny haven't made the grade. The latter looked like he maybe could step up, but there just isn't any consistency. Plus they don't look comfortable enough on the ball to fit into the Arsenal way, poor panicked passes into the midfield seen to put undue pressure on the team time and time again.This has been compounded with Vermaelenn seemingly having a dip in form from his previous high standards since being given the captaincy.
I think a quality center half alongside him would make a huge difference along with a more defensively minded holding midfielder to play where Arteta has been starting. As much as I love him trying to play the holding role with a bit of class it just doesn't offer the protection that back four need. Maybe if a quality centre half is brought in it would mitigate the need for that player, but at the moment you get overun in midfield by high pressure teams, and yet to don't seem to close them down at all.




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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 10:57:24 AM   
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I completely agree about the defensive midfielder (I think I went into depth on that a few pages back), but disagree that Arteta is the one to make way in the formation - as Wednesday night showed, Wilshere is much more effective in controlling the game from the CAM position than he was from the deeper midfield position, and he doesn't need to fulfill the defensive duties that he was shirking a bit to the same extent (and fair enough, he is a no. 10). It's unfortunate that Diaby is capable of being exactly the player we need both defensive and offensively, but Wenger needs to be realistic about his chances of finishing a stretch of games without his knees exploding and sign a replacement.

As for the point about the defence - I agree that stats can sometimes be misleading but GA is still a valuable one, especially considering the fairly open attacking mentality the team tends to commit to. I'm sure that I've bemoaned their messing up on a number of occasions this season, but as someone watching regularly for years, I can tell you that this defence isn't as bad as some of its predecessors. You mention Mertesacker as having failed to make the grade but I feel like he's been one of our more consistent performers this season. Koscielny and Vermaelen haven't found a regular run of form though, certainly. You forgot to mention our more noticeable underachievers (Sagna just looks completely disinterested, and Gibbs's consistency has been undermined on occasion by poor positioning as seen in the City and Newcastle games, though he also had possibly his best game to date against Swansea at the Liberty).

Would a 'quality centre half' (and one that'd be good enough to improve any of the other teams in the league, but still pick Arsenal - thin on the ground those guys) improve that defence? Almost certainly, but you could say the same about all the teams around us at the moment. Again, I don't think that Man United have a superior enough defence to say that's why they're winning the league - they've tightened up lately but how many games have they gone behind first in? I think we're looking at a league this season where the standard of defensive play has been so low that the best attack will be the decisive factor in a lot of games. The team needs a more complete and in-depth overhaul over the summer, including the defensive reinforcements that you mention, but signing Hummels or something (even though he's out of our range, he's a suitably implausible example given this Cavani talk) wouldn't be the difference between CL and no CL.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 12:16:01 PM   
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I completely agree about the defensive midfielder (I think I went into depth on that a few pages back), but disagree that Arteta is the one to make way in the formation - as Wednesday night showed, Wilshere is much more effective in controlling the game from the CAM position than he was from the deeper midfield position, and he doesn't need to fulfill the defensive duties that he was shirking a bit to the same extent (and fair enough, he is a no. 10). It's unfortunate that Diaby is capable of being exactly the player we need both defensive and offensively, but Wenger needs to be realistic about his chances of finishing a stretch of games without his knees exploding and sign a replacement.



You'd drop Santi Carzola bbidi-bobbidi-boo?

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 12:28:02 PM   
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Nah, he's still our most creative player - but he played as a winger for Malaga last season and Villarreal before that, and his performance in that position Wednesday night was one of his more effective performances in recent matches. I've regularly backed him for the CAM because of his ambidexterity, but playing Wilshere there instead maximises both players' effectiveness. Plus Cazorla is often a bit prone to drift out wide to the left, so I feel that it might be his preferred position anyway.

also - Walcott three-year contract confirmed. Thank christ that's over.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 12:51:13 PM   
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3 year deal?

Sounds like Theo got everything he wanted, it also means that this time next year they need to be opening negotiations again.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 18/1/2013 12:53:36 PM   
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3 year deal?

Sounds like Theo got everything he wanted, it also means that this time next year they need to be opening negotiations again.


Nah, they'll let it run to 2015 so they can pay him about 20-30K/week more than they'd have had to if they'd have sorted it out in good time.

I do hope that something good comes out of this for Arsenal, i.e. that they ditch this fekking daft socialist pay scale and they pay good players a lot and shitty players not so much. Its hardly rocket science Arsene.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 19/1/2013 3:31:34 PM   
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It's hard to take Arsene Wenger's chat about the wage structure as 'socialist' very seriously, when him and Ivan are earning far more than the pay structure allows. Wenger has probably earned it to be honest, but if he was to take a paycut to 'only £5/6m a year, it'd free up a lot of wage money.

also, we've seemingly missed out on Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa who's going to Newcastle for a pittance, sigh.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 19/1/2013 3:45:12 PM   
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Theo better play out of this skin in the next two matches - for his sake and that of my FF team!

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 2:24:30 PM   
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If Spurs win today you can kiss 4th spot goodbye.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 2:29:05 PM   
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Man City 1 - 1 Arsenal
Arsenal 1 - Chelsea 2
Man U 2 - 1 Arsenal
Arsenal 0 - Man City 2
Chelsea 2 - Arsenal 0 (HT)

So its 1 point from 15 in games against the top 3 (assuming there is no turn around in this game). With no clean sheets and almost an average of 2 goals conceded every game. Its a pretty poor return and really shows that Arsenal are no longer contenders.


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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 2:44:57 PM   
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Oh come on Arsene, make a change. I'm bored by this now.


EDIT Oooh didn't need one as Walcott stayed on side for the first time this game.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 2:45:39 PM   
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Our record against Chelsea and United is truly woeful - a handful of good results (5-3 last year, 1-0 against United at home two seasons ago) doesn't cover up how much better than us they are.

We've been great in the second half here. THEO (finally).

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:02:53 PM   
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Arshavin's alive?!?

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:11:18 PM   
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Vermaelen hero.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:13:21 PM   
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Vermaelen hero.


Scezney idiot. Might be speaking too soon, but looks like the Bertrand sub was a good move for Chelsea who have been much tighter since then.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:18:26 PM   
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Arshavin's alive?!?

Not really.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:32:00 PM   
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Arshavin's alive?!?

Not really.


Kind of demonstrated why we need to be buying players. It was a crucial stage of a game where we were in the ascendancy but needed to maintain the momentum, and there was no one good enough on the bench to do that. Chelsea eventually asserted control over the game again in the last twenty minutes because they had quality like Ba to bring on at that stage, whereas Arshavin and Ramsey aren't really game-changers.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:36:57 PM   
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I agree Olaf. With the slight proviso that it was bringing Bertrand on for me, which added a bit more steel to Chelsea. Ba should really be starting in place of Torres.

Also, let's not forget that Arsenal didn't really turn up for the first half. They looked good in the 2nd at times, but you can't try to win a match in 45 minutes giving your opponents a two goal headstart, whoever is on the bench.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:37:29 PM   
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Once again Arsenal's downfall is their lack of work-rate which Chelsea thoroughly exploited in the first half. Unacceptable.

Wenger wants his team to be like Barca but amazingly he has seemed to miss the fact that not only are they amazing on the ball they are also the hardest workers OFF THE BALL in world football.



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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 3:37:42 PM   
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Exciting end to the match that.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 11:16:36 PM   
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Great analysis of Arsenal's shocking workrate by Pat Nevin on MOTD2.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 20/1/2013 11:53:06 PM   
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Great analysis of Arsenal's shocking workrate by Pat Nevin on MOTD2.


Yeah just watched it, though its painfully obvious that Arsenal haven't pressed in years. You can't blame the players for that, its down to cowpat head again.

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RE: Arsenal 2012/13 - 21/1/2013 12:13:59 AM   
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Great analysis of Arsenal's shocking workrate by Pat Nevin on MOTD2.


Yeah just watched it, though its painfully obvious that Arsenal haven't pressed in years. You can't blame the players for that, its down to cowpat head again.


Yeah, like a said a couple of posts ago it's baffling how Wenger has failed to notice this key factor of Barca's success.

However, just put in two players like Marchisio and Long and it would completely change the dynamic of the team. Someone like Long upfront gets the entire team moving. If the front player is closing down and chasing lost causes that encourages the entire team to do so. Diaby looked like he was out for a stroll in the park when you need a fierce snapper in there.

Arsenal could definitely use some Italian and German grafters in there.

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RE: Arsenal FC - 2006 - 21/1/2013 9:15:50 AM   
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What has gone wrong with one of the most consistant English teams of the last 5 years? Who should be brought in and who is not good enough to be playing for the FA Cup winners?


The problem is that Arsenal is the one-hit loser band of football teams is all!!

Naah. Just kidding. As a MUFC fan I see a clear post-Viera slump. Why you ever let that player go is beyond understanding, but done is done. Arsenal is like Man. Utd. rebuilding their squad. You have a lot of young unexperienced players, and they will come around.

At least Henry seems to have decided on renewing his contracts, which is very important to Arsenal at present.

I understand the frustration it must be, that Wenger has not invested in a "middle-link" between the old and young (by bying an experienced midfielder), but on the long term I don´t think Arsenal fans have anything to worry about. You´ll be the 3rd best team in England once again, lads. Chin up!

I know that Walcott wants to be the new Henry, but he hasn't taken his name yet has he And yes, they got him to sign, but a really silly way of going about it, which has probably cost them 15K a week.

Anyway, what's done is done.

The more I think of it, the more disappointing that game yesterday. Let's forget the good second half, because the game was already lost at that point. The team played with no backbone, no spirit and no desire in the first half. And that was for a game that would have pushed them above Everton, closed the gap on Spurs to 3 points and the gap to Chelsea to 5. Now they are in a real fight for 4th.

And yes, it was Chelsea at home. But a Chelsea at home that is getting booed and has been very nervous. Just look at Chelsea's last 3 home games. A loss against QPR, a loss against Swansea (in the Cup) and a draw from 2-0 ahead against Southampton. I know that it is also on Chelsea to turn this around, but you just think that Arsenal had to get at them on Sunday and not let 45 minutes pass before pulling themselves together and rolling up their socks.



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RE: Arsenal FC - 2006 - 21/1/2013 9:28:47 AM   
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RE: Arsenal FC - 2006 - 21/1/2013 10:14:18 PM   
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At the beginning of January I was foolishly optimistic we might sign one/a couple of players, as the holes in the team were so obvious.

It's not going to happen is it

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RE: Arsenal FC - 2006 - 21/1/2013 10:38:22 PM   
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