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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/11 - 11/11/2011 10:18:39 AM   
Twisted Kitty


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They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.


RIP to all who have given their lives in service to their country.

Today, I will be mainly thinking about my grandad.  He was on the HMS Dumana when it got torpedoed and sank.  He lost many friends and comrades.  Luckily he survived and still tells me stories about the war although he gets very emotional when telling them.  His twin brother died in the war - they were due to meet but missed eachother by a few hours.  He still cries because he never got to say goodbye.

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/11 - 11/11/2011 10:31:07 AM   
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Well, how do you do, Private William McBride,
Do you mind if I sit down here by your graveside?
And rest for awhile in the warm summer sun,
I've been walking all day, and I'm nearly done.
And I see by your gravestone you were only 19
When you joined the glorious fallen in 1916,
Well, I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean
Or, Willie McBride, was it slow and obscene?

Did they Beat the drum slowly, did the play the pipes lowly?
Did the rifles fir o'er you as they lowered you down?
Did the bugles sound The Last Post in chorus?
Did the pipes play the Flowers of the Forest?

And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind
In some loyal heart is your memory enshrined?
And, though you died back in 1916,
To that loyal heart are you forever 19?
Or are you a stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some glass pane,
In an old photograph, torn and tattered and stained,
And fading to yellow in a brown leather frame?

The sun's shining down on these green fields of France;
The warm wind blows gently, and the red poppies dance.
The trenches have vanished long under the plow;
No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.
But here in this graveyard that's still No Man's Land
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
To man's blind indifference to his fellow man.
And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.

And I can't help but wonder, no Willie McBride,
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
Did you really believe them when they told you "The Cause?"
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
For Willie McBride, it all happened again,
And again, and again, and again, and again.

Did they Beat the drum slowly, did the play the pipes lowly?
Did the rifles fir o'er you as they lowered you down?
Did the bugles sound The Last Post in chorus?
Did the pipes play the Flowers of the Forest? 



We will remember them.

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RE: We Will Remember Them. - 11/11/2011 11:02:00 AM   
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RE: We Will Remember Them. - 11/11/2011 12:23:09 PM   
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Just read through this whole thread again. There are some astonishing stories from posters here. 

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/11 - 11/11/2011 12:38:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sharkboy

 


Well, how do you do, Private William McBride,
Do you mind if I sit down here by your graveside?
And rest for awhile in the warm summer sun,
I've been walking all day, and I'm nearly done.
And I see by your gravestone you were only 19
When you joined the glorious fallen in 1916,
Well, I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean
Or, Willie McBride, was it slow and obscene?

Did they Beat the drum slowly, did the play the pipes lowly?
Did the rifles fir o'er you as they lowered you down?
Did the bugles sound The Last Post in chorus?
Did the pipes play the Flowers of the Forest?

And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind
In some loyal heart is your memory enshrined?
And, though you died back in 1916,
To that loyal heart are you forever 19?
Or are you a stranger without even a name,
Forever enshrined behind some glass pane,
In an old photograph, torn and tattered and stained,
And fading to yellow in a brown leather frame?

The sun's shining down on these green fields of France;
The warm wind blows gently, and the red poppies dance.
The trenches have vanished long under the plow;
No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.
But here in this graveyard that's still No Man's Land
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
To man's blind indifference to his fellow man.
And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.

And I can't help but wonder, no Willie McBride,
Do all those who lie here know why they died?
Did you really believe them when they told you "The Cause?"
Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
For Willie McBride, it all happened again,
And again, and again, and again, and again.

Did they Beat the drum slowly, did the play the pipes lowly?
Did the rifles fir o'er you as they lowered you down?
Did the bugles sound The Last Post in chorus?
Did the pipes play the Flowers of the Forest? 



We will remember them.


Am in tears reading that sharky.


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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/11 - 11/11/2011 6:20:52 PM   
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Forever in my heart Dear Grandad, on the shores, on the beaches, you passed on greatness, you gave us love.

To each and every one of you who sacrifieced all I say thank you and your courage shall never be forgotten.

God bless you all xxxxx

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We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2012 8:00:42 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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Now coming into its fifth year, the annually-bumped thread of amazing stories of forumites' relatives' bravery in war.

For The Fallen
With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.
Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres.
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.
They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

They mingle not with laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
Laurence Robert Binyon, 1869-1943

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2012 10:14:42 PM   
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Earlier this year I discovered that my Granpa had an Uncle who died at Flanders in The Great War. His name was David McLaren. He also had a cousin die in WWII. As far as I'm aware we never knew of them as my Granpa never spoke about his own family.

This year, I wear my poppy for them.

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2012 10:43:46 PM   
homersimpson_esq


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That's a good point. Since last year I have discovered that my grand-uncle - my father's uncle - emigrated to Canada before WW1, joined the Canadian Army, got shipping to France, where he died in WW1. I found the reference for the graveyard and plot he's buried in in France.

Considering none of my close family has ever served in the army - as I probably mentioned back in post 1 of this thread - it was really curious to discover that I had had a relatively close family member serve and die in the war. And so young too, he was early 20s. It's a cliché, but it really does make it all the more real to one personally when one has a connection like that, even though he died nearly a century ago.

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2012 10:59:05 PM   
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Yeah it's weird, I have a military family. Both my Grandfathers served in the Army in the 50s, my Uncle was a career soldier working himself up to Sergeant Major, my other Uncle was in the Navy but because I never heard my Grandparents talk about relatives dying in the Wars, I just thought we were a lucky family so it was humbling to discover close relatives perished in both Wars. It makes it that bit more emotional.

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 11/11/2012 1:46:12 AM   
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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 11/11/2012 9:52:16 AM   
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I was reading something the other day where they were espousing that everyone should wear a white poppy supporting pacifism rather than a red poppy. I really think they do not get what it is all about, it is not a matter of supporting war or violence but rather a matter of remembering those who have died or suffered as a result of war and sadly these happen and will happen in the future.

My granddad had flat feet so could not fight in the war but was involved in transportation of vital materials on the Home Front. Sadly it involved the transportation of dangerous chemicals which in those days were not stored properly which is believed to be a contributing factor to the pulmonary fibrosis which led to the last decade of his life having to be attached to an oxygen tank.

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2013 11:31:40 AM   
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We will remember them.

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RE: We Will Remember Them - 10/11/2013 11:41:48 AM   
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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2013 11:49:46 AM   
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I was just thinking about some of the things I'd posted in this thread, the story about my grandfather buying bread for German children in WW2, the story about my friends grandfathers being on opposing sides in the same battle (also WW2), and it suddenly occurred to me that all of those involved in those stories are now dead. There are no longer any surviving veterans of WW1 either. It feels like only yesterday that I was sitting in class listening to a tale from a very elderly gentleman, recounting his experiences of life during that war, but then that was the mid 1990's so he would have been in his mid to late 90's at least.

It's hard to believe we'll be witnessing the 100th year since the start of WW1 this time next year. The fact that there were survivors of that war still alive not so long ago made it feel relatively recent, but the word Centenary makes it feel all the more ancient again.

I'm not really sure what point I'm making here, just a stream of thoughts I guess.

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RE: We Will Remember Them. - 10/11/2013 12:03:11 PM   
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Could've heard a pin drop during the silence at White Hart Lane there. Thought the sound was broken!

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2013 12:46:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sanchia
I was reading something the other day where they were espousing that everyone should wear a white poppy supporting pacifism rather than a red poppy.


This is an argument that happens quite often during the run-up. To be fair, I can understand the point that supporters of the white poppy are making, but otherwise I agree with you - that's NOT the point.

EDIT - just noticed that was from last year!



So trying to keep my 3 year old daughter quiet at 11 was fun, and by fun I of course mean impossible. Even the builder working on our chimney stack today (on a Sunday!) stopped work for those 2 minutes.

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 10/11/2013 1:30:35 PM   
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So trying to keep my 3 year old daughter quiet at 11 was fun, and by fun I of course mean impossible.


I remember a few years ago my younger brother was a toddler, and was off running around during the outdoor service my family was at. We were getting a few disapproving looks from a few people as 11 neared, but a nearby elderly chap in uniform said something like "Don't shush him, we went to war so children could happily run around." That really stuck with me.

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RE: We Will Remember Them 11/11/12 - 11/11/2013 7:56:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: great_badir

So trying to keep my 3 year old daughter quiet at 11 was fun, and by fun I of course mean impossible.


I remember a few years ago my younger brother was a toddler, and was off running around during the outdoor service my family was at. We were getting a few disapproving looks from a few people as 11 neared, but a nearby elderly chap in uniform said something like "Don't shush him, we went to war so children could happily run around." That really stuck with me.


Good story, I can always remember my Nana saying that when she was alive. I was trying to get my 18 moth old to sit still in the run up to 11a,, and she exclaimed "let her run around, that's why we did what we had to. The bloody Nazis or the Japs wouldn't have let her"

Anyway, I was on the golf course, they ring the bell so everyone stops at the appropriate time. I seem to think there were more poppy wearers this year?

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