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RE: Wow - 22/12/2008 12:08:01 AM   
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I enjoyed it. It was boring sometimes, but mostly because I was sleepy when I was watching it (what?)...

anyway, my major contribution to this thread:

I liked it, but not sure if it was worth buying since I doubt I'd watch it again.

I gotta say though the book style DVD case is gorgeous.

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RE: Wow - 27/12/2008 10:54:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: robotbobby

I enjoyed it. It was boring sometimes, but mostly because I was sleepy when I was watching it (what?)...

anyway, my major contribution to this thread:

I liked it, but not sure if it was worth buying since I doubt I'd watch it again.

I gotta say though the book style DVD case is gorgeous.


hell yeh it is!
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RE: Wow - 29/12/2008 12:20:03 PM   
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I fell asleep half way through, however it was simply because I was knackered from a boozing session... I thought Casey Affleck was superb; same for Gone Baby Gone.  Very good movie, not quite as effortless to sit through as some have pointed out, but worth an audience.  A slow burner.

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- 30/12/2008 10:23:24 PM   
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Brilliantly acted out...thought Brad Pitt did an amazing job. The special effects and some of the shots were magnificant....but....it was quite hard to follow at some bits...thats my only critisism. Overall a GREAT film.

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RE: - 2/1/2009 9:24:44 PM   
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Picked it up at Zavvi for 5 dvd's for £30. It was the double disc edition and the dvd cover stood out alone. We did watch 3:10 to Yuma a few days before which I'm sure is another thread so had some comparison issues. Have to say very surprised. All in all very good film and acting was superb. Brad Pitt does give him the edge I'm sure the real Jesse James had and Casey Affleck you just feel so sorry for. You can just about imagine the States at that time with the dialogue they have. People trying to make a name for themselves anyway possible. Did not think it was too long and actually watched the special features afterwards about the truth behind the myth. The resemblance to actual people was eerie.

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RE: RE: - 21/1/2009 4:56:15 PM   
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Beautiful cinematography, brilliantly acted but...I hated the intrusion of the narration, which I felt ruined the flow of an already stilted narrative (if that makes sense). At times this felt quite a bit longer than its 2.5 hour running time, and as well-crafted as it is, it's not something that I feel I would ever wish to revisit in its entirety again.
Too many lingering 'artsy' shots which did nothing for me but pad out that damn running time, and I genuinely thought that if several of the story points which were covered by the narrator had actually been shot and included instead of narrating them to us, then an even longer running time would have been better validated.
A shame, because so much of the beauty captured here could be framed and hung on a wall, and the cast really can't be faulted.
But as a single piece of work, it's just a bit...(whisper) dull...

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RE: RE: - 21/1/2009 10:04:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vitamin F

 
Beautiful cinematography, brilliantly acted but...I hated the intrusion of the narration, which I felt ruined the flow of an already stilted narrative (if that makes sense). At times this felt quite a bit longer than its 2.5 hour running time, and as well-crafted as it is, it's not something that I feel I would ever wish to revisit in its entirety again.
Too many lingering 'artsy' shots which did nothing for me but pad out that damn running time, and I genuinely thought that if several of the story points which were covered by the narrator had actually been shot and included instead of narrating them to us, then an even longer running time would have been better validated.
A shame, because so much of the beauty captured here could be framed and hung on a wall, and the cast really can't be faulted.
But as a single piece of work, it's just a bit...(whisper) dull...


contradiction here?

you hang art on a wall btw.

just saying

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RE: RE: - 22/1/2009 10:57:15 AM   
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I said there were 'too many'...I was trying to imply that 'some' are ok, but 'too many' are, well, too many. Feels a bit like 'let's linger a while longer becuase it makes this look more profound' just for the sake of it. Just my opinion.


Thanks for pointing out the art fact btw 

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RE: RE: - 23/1/2009 1:33:50 AM   
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watched it at the cinema and have just watched it again on dvd, i really liked it before but it gets so much better with the second veiwing, details thhat were missed before came up and it was easier to follow certain parts of the story, Affleck and Pitt are superb but i do think that Sam Rockwell ( very underrated actor) plays an exceptional part in the film as the worried older brother who has to come to turns with his actions and the actions of the ones he loves dear.
Im sure its been said before and i will say it again, the idea of casting pitt as james, is genius, to have have a character (person) like james, somebody who was known around the land coincides beutifully with the man having to play him.
5/5

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RE: RE: - 23/1/2009 9:31:55 AM   
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Affleck and cinematography aside, it bored me. Doubt I'll ever watch it again. Probably the most over-rated film of the Noughties.

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RE: RE: - 23/1/2009 11:22:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vitamin F

 
I said there were 'too many'...I was trying to imply that 'some' are ok, but 'too many' are, well, too many. Feels a bit like 'let's linger a while longer becuase it makes this look more profound' just for the sake of it. Just my opinion.


Thanks for pointing out the art fact btw 


hehe, don;'t worry i'm known round ere for my total and complete love for Jesse James

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Superb! - 25/1/2009 7:39:38 AM   
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i thought this film was absolutely amazing. The leading performances from Brad Pitt and Cassey Affleck were amazing and without a doubt oscar worthy and so much of the films brilliance is down to those 2 performances but even when they arent dominating the screen there is a fantastic supporting cast. it also directed and shot beautifully by andrew dominik and roger deakins as well as having a killer story and a brilliant script which kept me engaged throughout the whole story-line. This isn't an action packed film but more a phycological drama and a brilliant one at that and people who say the title and film it 2 long and that its boring well then you just arent appreciating this film for what it is and i am shocked this didn't get such nominations at the oscar such as best picture, director, actor, actor in a supporting role, screenplay, score and cinematography areas in which this film all excels in.

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The assasination of jesse james by the coward robert ford - 3/2/2009 7:51:45 PM   
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A very good film. The beggining is superb; the ending is superb. Just the bits in the middle are slow. The cinematography is beutiful and the acting certainly cannot be critisised

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- 23/7/2009 7:51:07 PM   
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I thought it was incredibly dull. I didn't even enjoy Sam Rockwell's presence, and that says something...

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- 20/8/2009 3:33:13 PM   
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Could a film be so visually appealing yet so dull - 6/2/2010 11:42:00 PM   
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You would expect a film with Brad Pitt to be partially interesting (couple of gripping scenes, maybe some action) but this wasnt. Individually the actors were superb and the cinematography was very appealing, but the plot took 2 stars off this film. Perfect example that the plot is everything.

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One of the best westerns of recent times - 14/5/2010 12:18:59 PM   
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This masterpiece has so many unbelievably good performances and such gorgeous cinematography that it is damn near impossible for anybody to not like it, apart from people I class as gore-seeking-retards who don't appreciate a piece of art when they see one.

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Absolutely Excellent - Dumb Dumbs don't get it thought - 25/9/2010 9:57:44 PM   
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Another great performance by Brad Pitt, who I love
And Casey Affleck with this and Gone Baby Gone making him a really interesting actor (more than his brother, who is a wonderful director). And Andrew Dominik follows up beautifully from Chopper

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RE: Absolutely Excellent - Dumb Dumbs don't get it thought - 14/12/2010 2:20:06 AM   
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Pitt is excellent, a very strong, appealing performance. Affleck is also excellent, but in a different way. Since you know the character's final motive going into the film (Hint: its in the title), the Affleck made his character interesting by starting the film as a young fanboy and then gradually turning him into a jelous rival, while still maintaining some childish qualities in his performance, along with an extremely creepy feeling he has about him. Cinematography was gorgeous and the 2 and 1/2 hour running time just flew by. Outstanding.

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Exellent - 28/3/2011 9:22:16 AM   
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This has the be one of the best westerns ever made. Brad and Casey are exellent.

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The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert F... - 3/3/2012 10:24:10 PM   
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On the strength of two fantastic lead performances from Brad Pitt and Casey Affleck The Assassination of Jesse James is an expertly crafted period piece which shows writer, director Andrew Dominik's love for the genre, and and insightful look at one of the enduring figures of American lore.

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Depressing - 29/9/2012 4:00:04 PM   
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Beautifully shot and well acted. I had to put on something cheerful for myself to watch after this.
God it's dull ! The 5 star review and recent Empire special on Brad's best hits forced me to check this out. Alike Lost in Translation, maybe I just don't get it. Maybe I'm too into adreniline fueled fizz bang hollywood schmokum. Even so I can't ever imagine myself ever wanting to watch this drivel again.

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"You know what I expected... applause." - 14/12/2012 12:59:02 AM   
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Andrew Dominik's searingly beautiful vision serves as a poignant and thought-provoking portrait of the legendary outlaw. For the first time, a director has captured Jesse James' humanity on celluloid, showing us a man, not just some phony action hero. Accented by exquisite performances and a haunting score, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford is an unforgettable film of immense, undeniable power.

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Masterpiece - 13/2/2013 12:53:59 AM   
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The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford is a stunningly beautiful and poetic movie, with amazing performances, a great script, magnificent direction, wonderful music, and truly gorgeous cinematography. One of, if not the greatest western made so far this century.

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The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford - 11/2/2015 8:45:20 PM   
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On the surface no-one saw this coming. In 2000, unknown Australian film-maker Andrew Dominik delivered and eye-catching debut with Chopper, a biopic of notorious Aussie criminal Mark Brandon ‘Chopper’ Read. It was a 90-minute, visceral, punchy debut, shot in a grubby, lurid style befitting its subject. 7 years later Dominik delivers an almost-3 hour, ethereal, memory-like sensory experience, heavily thematic and filled with beautiful imagery, all of which appear to mark out The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford as an altogether different beast. But one has to scratch just a little below the surface and the parallel becomes quite obvious. Both films feature a kind of folk anti-hero whose own mythology has been twisted to the point that their appalling crimes have been almost dismissed in favour of cult fan worship. And both films pull off the neat trick of consciously addressing this mythology and leaving it intact. But it there the similarities end.

For his 2007 follow-up, Dominik completely ditches the sickly palette of his debut and instead, turns to master cinematographer Roger Deakins to create truly mythical cinema. From the opening frames, we hear an almost documentary-like narrator carefully intersperse known facts about Jesse James with myth-making observations, blending the two seamlessly so every word feels gospel. This dichotomy also extends to the visual element of the film. Costumes, props, locations, sound effects; all meticulously researched and presented before the viewer with seemingly nothing being anything less than completely authentic. As a counter point to this, chapters are bookmarked with urgently clouding skies, the night scenes are immaculately lit with character silhouettes being just as prominent as what you can see and various day scenes add to the undetermined reality with Deakins literally blurring the edges of the frame. The potential for these contradictions to derail the film is enormous yet the results are nothing short of mesmerising.

It would be also be a total disservice to the film to not mention its impeccable cast. Brad Pitt gives one of his greatest performances as Jesse James. A heavy theme of mortality is not a natural fit for Pitt, however the concept of celebrity obsession and adoration make him the perfect choice. James knows he’s entering the final phase of his life and, almost like a deluded, over-the-hill rock star, his ‘gigs’ i.e. hold-ups, give him the opportunity to dance, play and provoke in a bid to still feel alive. But at the point which we join his story, these moments are already not enough to save him and Pitt portrays his descent into menacing distrust and crushing, sometimes violent, paranoia with alarming conviction. There are brilliant supporting turns throughout the film, none more strong than from Sam Rockwell as the elder Ford brother, Charley. The ever-loveable Rockwell is the most sympathetic character in the film and his vulnerability gives the film a much-needed heart with which we can offer support to. All of these performances, however, are outshone by the amazing work by Casey Affleck as the titular assassin. His Robert Ford is a truly unique creation. Adopting a broken, adolescent voice and a constant nervy physicality to his every movement, Affleck delivers a career-best performance. Over the course of the film, Ford’s initial awe of his hero brings about doe-eyed (and somewhat embarrassing) adoration, unbearable tension and, most importantly, increasing resentment, all of which Affleck delivers perfectly.

That this entire production worked at all is nothing short of a minor miracle. From studio pressure to create something more palatable for Pitt fans, to numerous re-shoots, various cuts and that title, the fact that the audience got what it eventually got is just another reason to be grateful for this masterpiece.

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RE: The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robe... - 12/2/2015 9:38:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Biggus

On the surface no-one saw this coming. In 2000, unknown Australian film-maker Andrew Dominik delivered and eye-catching debut with Chopper, a biopic of notorious Aussie criminal Mark Brandon ‘Chopper’ Read. It was a 90-minute, visceral, punchy debut, shot in a grubby, lurid style befitting its subject. 7 years later Dominik delivers an almost-3 hour, ethereal, memory-like sensory experience, heavily thematic and filled with beautiful imagery, all of which appear to mark out The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford as an altogether different beast. But one has to scratch just a little below the surface and the parallel becomes quite obvious. Both films feature a kind of folk anti-hero whose own mythology has been twisted to the point that their appalling crimes have been almost dismissed in favour of cult fan worship. And both films pull off the neat trick of consciously addressing this mythology and leaving it intact. But it there the similarities end.

For his 2007 follow-up, Dominik completely ditches the sickly palette of his debut and instead, turns to master cinematographer Roger Deakins to create truly mythical cinema. From the opening frames, we hear an almost documentary-like narrator carefully intersperse known facts about Jesse James with myth-making observations, blending the two seamlessly so every word feels gospel. This dichotomy also extends to the visual element of the film. Costumes, props, locations, sound effects; all meticulously researched and presented before the viewer with seemingly nothing being anything less than completely authentic. As a counter point to this, chapters are bookmarked with urgently clouding skies, the night scenes are immaculately lit with character silhouettes being just as prominent as what you can see and various day scenes add to the undetermined reality with Deakins literally blurring the edges of the frame. The potential for these contradictions to derail the film is enormous yet the results are nothing short of mesmerising.

It would be also be a total disservice to the film to not mention its impeccable cast. Brad Pitt gives one of his greatest performances as Jesse James. A heavy theme of mortality is not a natural fit for Pitt, however the concept of celebrity obsession and adoration make him the perfect choice. James knows he’s entering the final phase of his life and, almost like a deluded, over-the-hill rock star, his ‘gigs’ i.e. hold-ups, give him the opportunity to dance, play and provoke in a bid to still feel alive. But at the point which we join his story, these moments are already not enough to save him and Pitt portrays his descent into menacing distrust and crushing, sometimes violent, paranoia with alarming conviction. There are brilliant supporting turns throughout the film, none more strong than from Sam Rockwell as the elder Ford brother, Charley. The ever-loveable Rockwell is the most sympathetic character in the film and his vulnerability gives the film a much-needed heart with which we can offer support to. All of these performances, however, are outshone by the amazing work by Casey Affleck as the titular assassin. His Robert Ford is a truly unique creation. Adopting a broken, adolescent voice and a constant nervy physicality to his every movement, Affleck delivers a career-best performance. Over the course of the film, Ford’s initial awe of his hero brings about doe-eyed (and somewhat embarrassing) adoration, unbearable tension and, most importantly, increasing resentment, all of which Affleck delivers perfectly.

That this entire production worked at all is nothing short of a minor miracle. From studio pressure to create something more palatable for Pitt fans, to numerous re-shoots, various cuts and that title, the fact that the audience got what it eventually got is just another reason to be grateful for this masterpiece.


Agree wholesale.


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