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RE: Bob Dylan - 9/6/2008 12:50:17 AM   
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Justfontaine, I'm glad to hear you got to see him. He's stuck to the keyboards quite a bit in his live shows, especially around the time you saw him. He says the guitar can't reach 'the bottom' he's looking for in his rhythm playing. I'm not surprised the songs were changed, apparently he does that quite a bit - says he doesn't want to be a nostalgia act trotting out the hits, wants to be constantly moving and changing, which I think is admirable considering how demanding audiences can be.


Yeah i agree with that approach definitley, im not one for the 'hits' really but he did open up with a fantastic rendition of Maggies Farm, quite similar to the live version from his Hard Rain record. It was in the M.E.N arena though and im not a fan of that venue atall to be honest and i get the impression (i may be wrong) that Bob does not favour these large capacity arenas.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 9/6/2008 12:58:27 AM   
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says he doesn't want to be a nostalgia act trotting out the hits, wants to be constantly moving and changing


Maybe he doesn't remember how the old ones go

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RE: Bob Dylan - 9/6/2008 1:01:01 AM   
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Well, there's that too.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 10/6/2008 6:36:34 PM   
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Well Larry, with the opening of the Drawn Blank series in London, it seems everyone is playing When I Paint My Masterpiece - I saw four different news reports using it! 

P.S. Has anyone been to the exhibition yet?


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RE: Bob Dylan - 10/6/2008 6:46:28 PM   
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RE: Bob Dylan - 10/6/2008 11:22:45 PM   
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How long is it on for Olaf? I'll be in London at the end of the month, so if its still there I'd wanna catch it.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 11/6/2008 11:23:28 AM   
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I still can't find the closing date - but it ran from November to February when it was in Germany, so I'd imagine (hope! ) that it'll be about the same.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 12/6/2008 12:09:21 AM   
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Just away to put on Don't Look Back, haven't actually seen the whole thing all the way through even though I've had it since it came out. It's a nice package, there's a book of the transcript and a little flip book of the Subterranean Homesick Blues film. Keeps me entertained for hours flicking throught that...

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RE: Bob Dylan - 12/6/2008 10:54:14 PM   
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I've not been on this thread for ages and there is lots to comment about.

As for Live shows, I saw him at the Sheffield Arena in May 07, a great experience, he did most songs from Modern Times which I love. Nettie Moore was probably the best song, I sometimes think that the big arenas have no soul (stadium workers walking around with torches shaking down people with cameras etc) and in truth it wasn't a great venue but during Nettie Moore you could've heard a pin drop until he finished and then the stadium just erupted with applause, Great Stuff.

My Favourite album is either Blonde on Blonde or Time out of Mind, but my favourite period is from 1965-1975, although 1997-2007 is also very good albeit less prolific

As for top 20 songs, well I will have to think about that tonight and I will post it tomorrow

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RE: Bob Dylan - 13/6/2008 11:40:43 PM   
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Just watched the segment on Dylan's Drawn Blank exhibition on Newsnight Review, and two out of the three reviewers were very favourable, only the third heathen questioning whether they'd be of note if they weren't by Dylan. The two people that liked his work were actually two of my favourite guests that regularly appear on the programme, John Harris and Natalie Haynes, so it was nice to hear his paintings and drawings getting complimented. Well done if anybody manages to catch it while the exhibition is open.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 14/6/2008 12:53:54 AM   
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Anyone else think Silvio is just one of the most rollicking good songs he's done? Whenever I put it on it just puts me in a great mood.

Don't have much Dylan (just Highway 61 Revisited and the recent 3 CD comp) but love what I have heard so will probably go for Blood On The Tracks next. Really like the later stuff too.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 14/6/2008 5:45:23 PM   
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First Saw D in 1991. He was at a very low point for whatever reasons,(alcoholism, 2nd divorce?) and it's amazing to consider that if you'd told me then that the following would take place in the next 17yrs I'd have laughed in your face:

1. That he'd still be alive. Check out youtube. Lordy 1991 was the nadir.
2. That he'd still be on the NET and playing 100 gigs a year.
3. That he'd write his memoirs.
4. That he'd host a radio show.
5. That he'd write and star in a movie - Hearts of Fire seemed to kill off his acting career fairly effectively.
6. That he'd win an Oscar, Grammy , Pulitzer and everything else they're throwing at him.
7. That he'd record 3 orginal albums in a row that would receive almost universal acclaim.
8. That he'd turn into the yellow pages - women's underwaer, cars, insurance companies etc.
9. That his gigs are a model of consistent professionalism.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 17/6/2008 3:03:54 PM   
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This is my top 20 Dylan songs, some of them won't change but there is a lot that will come and go:

1)    Like a Rolling Stone (Highway 61 Revisited)
2)    Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands (Blonde on Blonde)
3)    Stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues again (Blonde on Blonde)
4)    License to Kill (Infidels)
5)    Goin to Acapulco (The Basement Tapes)
6)    Desolation Row (Highway 61 Revisited)
7)    Don’t fall apart on me tonight (Infidels)
8)    Sweetheart like you (Infidels)
9)    Knockin on Heaven’s Door ( Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid)
10)    Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts (Blood on the Tracks)
11)    A Hard Rain’s a-Gonna fall (Freewheelin Bob Dylan)
12)    Final theme (Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid)
13)    Forever Young (Planet Waves)
14)    John Wesley Harding (John Wesley Harding)
15)    Not Dark Yet (Time out of Mind)
16)    Tryin to get to Heaven (Time out of Mind)
17)    Workingman’s Blues 2 (Modern Times)
18)    Covenant Woman (Saved)
19)    Ballad of a Thin Man (Highway 61 Revisited)
20)    Visions of Joanna (Blonde on Blonde)


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RE: Bob Dylan - 20/6/2008 1:05:01 PM   
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I've not been on this thread for ages and there is lots to comment about.

As for Live shows, I saw him at the Sheffield Arena in May 07, a great experience, he did most songs from Modern Times which I love. Nettie Moore was probably the best song, I sometimes think that the big arenas have no soul (stadium workers walking around with torches shaking down people with cameras etc) and in truth it wasn't a great venue but during Nettie Moore you could've heard a pin drop until he finished and then the stadium just erupted with applause, Great Stuff.

I was at that gig too. I've seen Dylan three times, and that was the best one. He just seemed to have more energy than at the other concerts, and looked like he was enjoying himself. I've got a bootleg CD of the gig, and I play that version of Nettie Moore a lot. It was great. He did an excellent version of My Back Pages too, which is one of my favourites.
 
My first Dylan concert was in May 2002 at the MEN in Manchester. The set-list was great (Senor - hurray!), but Dylan insisted on going up at the end of every line in every song (again, I got a bootleg CD, which corroborates this), which was a bit eccentric and ... a tiny bit disappointing. He did a brilliant reading of Moonlight, though, and Blind Willie McTell was stunning. The other concert I went to was the 2006-ish one at the MEN that's mentioned above. I was quite a long way away from the stage, so I couldn't see much, but the music was sublime.

By any other standards, the concerts were all amazing, and I count myself as very fortunate to have been to them ... but I think that goes without saying.
 
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RE: Bob Dylan - 20/6/2008 1:23:20 PM   
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My Top 20:
 
01. Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands
02. My Back Pages
03. Abandoned Love
04. Like a Rolling Stone (Live '66 version)
05. When the Ship Comes In (Bootleg 1 version)
06. Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts
07. Ballad of a Thin Man (Live '66 version)
08. A Hard Rain's a Gonna Fall
09. Tryin' to Get to Heaven
10. Blind Willie McTell

 
11. The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll
12. The Changing of the Guard
13. Every Grain of Sand (Bootleg 3 version)
14. Most of the Time
15. Mississippi
16. I Want You
17. With God on Our Side
18. Tangled Up in Blue
19. Moonshiner
20. Standing in the Doorway

 
These ones fell off:
 
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Masters of War
Queen Jane Approximately

 
That was tough.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 20/6/2008 1:39:44 PM   
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Nice lists guys, nice to see Moonshiner get a place on one as well, his singing is amazing on that song. I would actually say the whole of The Bootleg Series Vol. 1 is a really good album in itself. I almost put Walking Down The Line on my list but it very narrowly missed out. 

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RE: Bob Dylan - 23/6/2008 7:28:32 PM   
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. He did an excellent version of My Back Pages too, which is one of my favourites.
 



Yeh that was also amazing. I'd heard the song a few times before seeing it live but didn't really pay it too much attention but after seeing it in Sheffield I went back to it and it's now one of my favourites.

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Nice lists guys, nice to see Moonshiner get a place on one as well, his singing is amazing on that song. I would actually say the whole of The Bootleg Series Vol. 1 is a really good album in itself


I agree about Moonshiner and I would say that it is a contender for Dylan's best vocal performance.  The song should be played to any of those doubters who say he can't sing.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 25/6/2008 2:39:42 AM   
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I'm not happy about my top 20 songs that I posted earlier in the week so I 've done a total review of Dylan's back catolgue and I've produced a top 100 list. My top 20 is now very different to the one that I produced just a few days ago but I feel it is better, what do you think?


1) Like a Rolling Stone (Highway 61 Revisited)
2) Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands (Blonde on Blonde)
3) Forever Young (Planet Waves)
4) Desolation Row (Highway 61 Revisited)
5) Love Minus Zero / No Limit (Bringing it all Back Home)
6) License to Kill (Infidels)
7) Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again (Blonde on Blonde)
8) Sara (Desire)
9) Sweetheart Like you (Infidels)
10) When the Ship Comes In (The Times They Are A-Changin’)
11) Shelter from the Storm (Blood on the Tracks)
12) Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door (Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid)
13) A Hard Rain’s a Gonna Fall (The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan)
14) She Belongs to Me (Bringing it All Back Home)
15) Blind Willie McTell (The Bootleg Series Vol 1-3)
16) Not Dark Yet (Time Out Of Mind)
17) Ballad of a Thin Man (Highway 61 Revisited)
18) Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts (Blood on the Tracks)
19) One More Cup of Coffee (Valley Below) (Desire)
20) Visions of Johanna (Blonde on Blonde)
21) If Not for You (New Morning)
22) The Times They Are A Changin’ (The Times they Are A Changin’)
23) My Back Pages (Another Side Of Bob Dylan)
24) Jokerman (Infidels)
25) I Dreamed I saw St Augustine (John Wesley Harding)
26) It’s All Over Now Baby Blue (Bringing It All Back Home)
27) Don’t Fall Apart on Me Tonight (Infidels)
28) Things Have Changed (The Essential Bob Dylan)
29) Covenant Woman (Saved)
30) All Along the Watchtower (John Wesley Harding)
31) Brownsville Girl (Knocked Out Loaded)
32) ‘Final Theme’ (Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid)
33) Tangled up in Blue (Blood on the Tracks)
34) Masters of War (The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan)
35) Queen Jane Approximately (Highway 61 Revisited)
36) Workingman’s Blues 2 (Modern Times)
37) Tryin’ To Get To Heaven (Time Out Of Mind)
38) Joey (Desire)
39) Positively 4th Street (Blonde on Blonde)
40) Just Like Tom Thumb’s Blues (Highway 61 Revisited)
41) Blowin in the Wind (The Freewheelin Bob Dylan)
42) The Man in Me (New Morning)
43) Goin’ to Acapulco (Basement Tapes) with The Band
44) Standing in The Doorway (Time Out Of Mind)
45) One Of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later) (Blonde on Blonde)
46) Song to Woody (Bob Dylan)
47) Just Like A Woman (Blonde on Blonde)
48) 4th Time Around (Blonde on Blonde)
49) Nettie Moore (Modern Times)
50) You’re A Big Girl Now (Blood on the Tracks)
51) Billy 1 (Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid)
52) With God on Our Side (The Times They Are A-Changin’)
53) Every Grain of Sand (Shot of Love)
54) Shooting Star (Oh Mercy)
55) Someday Baby (Modern Times)
56) If You See Her Say Hello (Blood on the Tracks)
57) It Takes A Lot To Laugh It Takes A Train To Cry (Highway 61 Revisited)
58) Only A Pawn In Their Game (The Times They Are A Changin’)
59) Tell Me That It Isn’t True (Nashville Skyline)
60) John Wesley Harding (John Wesley Harding)
61) I Want You (Blonde on Blonde)
62) Subterranean Homesick Blues (Bringing It All Back Home)
63) Thunder on the Mountain (Modern Times)
64) Most of the Time (Oh Mercy)
65) Idiot Wind (Blood on the Tracks)
66) Dignity (Bob Dylan’s Greatest Hits Vol 3)
67) Mississippi (Love and Theft)
68) Oh Sister (Desire)
69) Highlands (Time Out Of Mind)
70) Bob Dylan’s Dream (The Freewheelin Bob Dylan)
71) Hurricane (Desire)
72) Absolutely Sweet Marie (Blonde on Blonde)
73) Most Likely you Go Your Way and I’ll go Mine (Blonde on Blonde)
74) Tombstone Blues (Highway 61 Revisited)
75) It’s Alright Ma (I’m Only Bleeding) (Bringing It All Back Home)
76) Talkin World War III Blues (The Freewheelin Bob Dylan)
77) Girl From the North Country (Nashville Skyline) with Johnny Cash
78) Blood in My Eyes (World Gone Wrong)
79) Changing of the Guards (Street Legal)
80) The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll (The Times They Are A-Changin’)
81) All I Really Want To Do (Another Side of Bob Dylan)
82) Moonshiner (The Bootleg Series Vol 1-3)
83) Mr Tambourine Man (Bringing It All Back Home)
84) Spirit on the Water (Modern Times)
85) Simple Twist of Fate (Blood on the Tracks)
86) Day of the Locusts (New Morning)
87) Black Diamond Bay (Desire)
88) When The Deal Goes Down (Modern Times)
89) Love Sick (Time Out Of Mind)
90) New Morning (New Morning)
91) Highway 61 Revisited (Highway 61 Revisited)
92) Man of Constant Sorrow (Bob Dylan)
93) Pressing On (Saved)
94) Tight Connection To My Heart (Empire Burlesque)
95) Dark Eyes (Empire Burlesque)
96) I Shall Be Free (The Freewheelin Bob Dylan)
97) I Threw It All Away (Nashville Skyline)
98) The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest (John Wesley Harding)
99) Is Your Love in Vain (Street Legal)
100) Chimes of Freedom (Another Side of Bob Dylan)



Album Breakdown
1) Blonde on Blonde – 10 (1966)
2) Highway 61 Revisited – 8 (1965)
3) Blood on the Tracks – 7 (1975)
4) The Freewheelin Bob Dylan – 6 (1963)
5) Bringing it All Back Home – 6 (1965)
6) Modern Times – 6 (2006)
7) Desire- 6 (1976)
8) Time Out of Mind – 5 (1997)
9) The Times They Are A–Changin’- 5 (1964)
10) New Morning- 4 (1970)
11) John Wesley Harding – 4 (1967)
12) Infidels – 4 (1983)
13) Another Side of Bob Dylan – 3 (1964)
14) Nashville Skyline – 3 (1969)
15) Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid- 3 (1973)
16) Bob Dylan – 2 (1962)
17) Street Legal – 2 (1978)
18) Empire Burlesque – 2 (1985)
19) Saved-2 (1980)
20) Oh Mercy-2 (1989)
21) Bootleg Series Volume 1-3 – 2 (1991)
22) Basement Tapes – 1 (1975)
23) Planet Waves – 1 (1974)
24) Shot of Love – 1 (1981)
25) Knocked Out Loaded – 1 (1986)
26) World Gone Wrong- 1 (1993)
27) Bob Dylan Greatest Hits Vol 3 – 1 (1994)
28) The Essential Bob Dylan – 1 (2000)
29) Love and Theft-1 (2001)




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RE: Bob Dylan - 26/6/2008 2:26:50 PM   
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That's a really good list Venkman, would be very happy to listen to those hundred. Really glad to see a high placing for Joey, some people don't like it that much, but it's one of my favourite songs from Desire, more so than Hurricane. The harmonising with Emmylou Harris on the chorus is really something. Only one song from "Love & Theft" though, I see that as one of his best albums.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 26/6/2008 6:49:42 PM   
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That's a really good list Venkman, would be very happy to listen to those hundred. Really glad to see a high placing for Joey, some people don't like it that much, but it's one of my favourite songs from Desire, more so than Hurricane. The harmonising with Emmylou Harris on the chorus is really something. Only one song from "Love & Theft" though, I see that as one of his best albums.


Thanks, Glad to see some love for Joey, I like the backstory behind the song and it's very interesting to compare it with Hurricane. One song is about a guilty man and the other about an innocent one, yet to Dylan they are both worthy of sympathy.

I've never really got into 'Love and Theft' which is strange because I love Modern Times which I think is similiar in style. I love Missississpi though, so I think I will give it another go

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RE: Bob Dylan - 8/7/2008 7:58:41 PM   
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If anybody is still thinking of going to the exhibition, it's been extended to the end of the month (28th July).

On another topic, I was reading the Bob Dylan Performing Artist series of books by Paul Williams recently and was wondering what everybody's favourite Dylan books are - Williams' books are great (but he dislikes te Traveling Wilburys. Boo) and of course Chronicles is amazing as well. Any other recommendations? 

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RE: Bob Dylan - 8/7/2008 9:03:08 PM   
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There's a book by playwright Sam Shepard called The Rolling Thunder Logbook, it's basically a journal of when he followed The Rolling Thunder tour in the mid-seventies. It's a very good book (though not enough on Scarlett Rivera, who is my favourite Dylan backing musician around that time in his career).



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RE: Bob Dylan - 30/7/2008 2:28:44 AM   
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Bob Dylan will release the eighth installment of his Bootleg Series on October 7th. Tell Tale Signs features unreleased recordings and alternate versions of studio sessions from the last two decades, sessions that ultimately resulted in albums like Time Out of Mind, Love and Theft and Modern Times. The two-disc set will also feature rare live performances.


Sounds good. I always though his more recent output was quite mysterious in comparison to his '60s and '70s work, which has countless books detailing those periods, so I'm looking forward to this.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 30/7/2008 5:05:05 PM   
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Agreed, of all the films made about Dylan the only one I can think that covers that area is I'm Not There...And that had midgets and giraffe...Should be a good purchase.


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RE: Bob Dylan - 31/7/2008 2:46:19 AM   
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I'm stuck, I have a fair few Dylan albums, but not really when you consider how many he has. I basically need some help of where to go next, there are far too many. The ones I own are...

Freewheelin
The Times They Are a Changing
Highway 61 Revisted
Blonde On Blonde
John Wesley Harding
Blood On The Tracks
Time Out Of Mind
Modern Times

I was thinking of something like Bringin' it all back home, then I realised that I already have quite a bit from that era, so I was thinking of looking at the era possibly between John Wesley Harding and Blood on the Tracks, or after Blood on the tracks, as that is more where I am missing albums..

So what do you reckon I should get next. I really like all of the above albums, all the Dylan era's I have heard so far have been full of interesting music well worth my time. Just where to turn next


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RE: Bob Dylan - 31/7/2008 3:03:03 AM   
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Get Desire, I really recommend it, it's the album that came right after Blood On The Tracks. His most recent output is very good as well, possibly my favourite album of his is "Love & Theft", from 2001. The '80s weren't a good decade for him, so be careful there, but Oh Mercy is excellent and produced by Daniel Lanois like Time Out Of Mind. To be honest there isn't much that's really top notch between John Wesley Harding and Blood On The Tracks. Planet Waves has alot going for it, but it's not really essential, not as much as the others. There's an album called The Basement Tapes, though, that is well worth your time - recorded in '67 but released in '75, it's a double as well.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 1/8/2008 6:37:27 PM   
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Anyone here read Dylan's Chronicles book? I've just finished it and thought it was fairly insightful book, especialy about the many faces he took on, and his influences. Looking forward to Vol. 2.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 2/8/2008 1:59:01 AM   
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Desire is absolutely fab Moon, I'd grab that, though you should also pick up Bringing It All Back Home, tis quality.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 2/8/2008 4:25:27 PM   
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Yeah, definitely Desire. It's my favourite, and the favourite of a few other big Dylan fans that I know. It's kind of different, in that almost every song on it is a ballad, but they're (nearly) all amazing, and the stories are great. Hurricane and Joey are both great examples of Dylan empathising with someone, while Sara is basically a continuation from Blood On The Tracks.

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RE: Bob Dylan - 3/8/2008 5:49:27 PM   
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I'm stuck, I have a fair few Dylan albums, but not really when you consider how many he has. I basically need some help of where to go next, there are far too many. The ones I own are...

Freewheelin
The Times They Are a Changing
Highway 61 Revisted
Blonde On Blonde
John Wesley Harding
Blood On The Tracks
Time Out Of Mind
Modern Times

I was thinking of something like Bringin' it all back home, then I realised that I already have quite a bit from that era, so I was thinking of looking at the era possibly between John Wesley Harding and Blood on the Tracks, or after Blood on the tracks, as that is more where I am missing albums..

So what do you reckon I should get next. I really like all of the above albums, all the Dylan era's I have heard so far have been full of interesting music well worth my time. Just where to turn next



What about Infidels, it's from around the early 80's, some of the songs from it made it onto the lists above. Personally Jokerman would be in my top 5, someone else can correct me but isn't Infidels more or less Dylan and the most of Dire Straits?

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