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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:17:14 PM   
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I'm surprised with how much I agree with Cool Breeze here:

Best Connery Bond - From Russia With Love
Best Lazenby Bond - On Her Majesty's Secret Service (not that there was much choice there)
Best Moore Bond - The Spy Who Loved Me
Best Dalton Bond - License To Kill
Best Brosnan Bond - GoldenEye
Best Craig Bond - Still not sure whether Casino Royale or Skyfall, but both are excellent

And I don't know if it's been pointed out before, but there's only really been two ways to play Bond, and it's kind of zigzagged between the two. First Connery Bond's are taken far more seriously, when Lazenby takes over it begins to segue into the more light-hearted version which carries on through Diamonds Are Forever and reaches its zenith with the first Roger Moore movies. By the time of A View To A Kill (though thinking about it, For Your Eyes Only was far less camp than the usual Moore Bond, too), the producers decided to bring back the tone of the earlier films, which carries on throughout Dalton's tenure. And then when Brosnan takes over, it reverts back to the light-hearted version... in my opinion, Brosnan did a far better job of it than Moore as I think he's generally a much better actor, and the for the most part, the scripts a much better, but my opinion here is besides the point. This approach went too far with Die Another Day, so once again they reverted to the tone of the Connery era films. Whoever takes over from Daniel Craig I'm fairly confident will once again be a light-hearted take on the character... unless of course they take that direction with the last few Craig films, which I think would be a mistake... just as it was a mistake with Connery.


I agree that the tone tends to either go into light fantasy ( Spy Who Loved Me) or hard grit ( License to Kill) but Bond and the grand traditions of the series have generally stayed the same.The problem with the Craig era is that we have a leading man devoid of the charm and humour that has made the 007 character so appealing and the films themselves are forgettable action films of the Jason Statham type and not BOND films

And yes i really enjoyed Daltons all to short tenure in the role.He brought a welcome hard edge to the role but still was essentially BOND ( helped that he didnt look like a labourer off a building site,was tall,suave,sophisticated..).The Spy Who Loved Me and License To kIll are two of my favourite films in the series and they couldnt be more different.

I havnt seen Skyfall ( dont particularly want to ),but im sure curiosity will get the better of me and il see it sometime on tv or something just to see what theyve done to ruin the series.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:20:34 PM   
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If they are so bad CB then why exactly is the THIRD one in the Craig series looking like it will be the biggest financial hit for the Bond's?

Clearly audiences seem to like Daniel Craig.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:22:46 PM   
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If they are so bad CB then why exactly is the THIRD one in the Craig series looking like it will be the biggest financial hit for the Bond's?

Clearly audiences seem to like Daniel Craig.


Clearly people seem to like the Transformers and Pirates Of The Caribbean films.

Lots of people enjoy these movies,but then lots of people are mad.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:26:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If they are so bad CB then why exactly is the THIRD one in the Craig series looking like it will be the biggest financial hit for the Bond's?

Clearly audiences seem to like Daniel Craig.


Clearly people seem to like the Transformers and Pirates Of The Caribbean films.

Lots of people enjoy these movies,but then lots of people are mad.


Ah so only the real fans get what James Bond is about and everyone else is stupid?

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:27:47 PM   
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I think you may be pleasantly be surprised. Apart from everything I've mentioned, the chemistry between Craig and Naomie Harris in the scenes they have together really brings out the old charm.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:28:26 PM   
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quote:

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I think you may be pleasantly be surprised. Apart from everything I've mentioned, the chemistry between Craig and Naomie Harris in the scenes they have together really brings out the old charm.


He will hate it. Please don't see it CB.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:30:40 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

I think you may be pleasantly be surprised. Apart from everything I've mentioned, the chemistry between Craig and Naomie Harris in the scenes they have together really brings out the old charm.


He will hate it. Please don't see it CB.


I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I haven't been here as long as you, so it seems you know something I don't.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:50:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

If they are so bad CB then why exactly is the THIRD one in the Craig series looking like it will be the biggest financial hit for the Bond's?

Clearly audiences seem to like Daniel Craig.


Clearly people seem to like the Transformers and Pirates Of The Caribbean films.

Lots of people enjoy these movies,but then lots of people are mad.


Ah so only the real fans get what James Bond is about and everyone else is stupid?


But of course! Haven't you realised that by now, Girv?

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:56:51 PM   
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helped that he didnt look like a labourer off a building site


Like Sean Connery you mean who erm, worked as a labourer?


Oh shit, just remembered. Breeze doesn't like me and blocked me.

SOMEBODY QUOTE THIS!

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 3:59:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: matty_b

quote:

helped that he didnt look like a labourer off a building site


Like Sean Connery you mean who erm, worked as a labourer?


Oh shit, just remembered. Breeze doesn't like me and blocked me.

SOMEBODY QUOTE THIS!


Lol.

You can't bring truth to a crazy fight.

Anyway to add my tuppence worth.

Best Connery Bond - From Russia With Love
Best Lazenby Bond - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Best Moore Bond - The Spy Who Loved Me (the Moore Bonds are all much of a muchness to me, this is marginally less shit than the rest though)
Best Dalton Bond - License To Kill
Best Brosnan Bond - Goldeneye/Tomorrow Never Dies (poor Brosnan, a great Bond but given some real shit to work with, the two I've listed are passable at least) 
Best Craig Bond - Casino Royale

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:14:01 PM   
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Is he banging on about Craig again?

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaat's Cool Breeze!

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:22:23 PM   
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Yeah.

Don't know if you've heard, but apparently Craig looks a bit rough and isn't suave?

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:22:34 PM   
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If they are so bad CB then why exactly is the THIRD one in the Craig series looking like it will be the biggest financial hit for the Bond's?

Clearly audiences seem to like Daniel Craig.


Yeah, really.

You can't tell me that Skyfall is making tons and tons of money simply from people with only a casual interest in James Bond.

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Yeah.

Don't know if you've heard, but apparently Craig looks a bit rough and isn't suave?


His Bond is the only Bond I would do gay things with. There I said it.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:24:19 PM   
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Plus, Transformers and POTC are aimed at, I'd argue, significantly different target groups.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:25:13 PM   
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His Bond is the only Bond I would do gay things with. There I said it.


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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:28:30 PM   
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quote:

helped that he didnt look like a labourer off a building site


Like Sean Connery you mean who erm, worked as a labourer?


Oh shit, just remembered. Breeze doesn't like me and blocked me.

SOMEBODY QUOTE THIS!



"I'm looking for Commander Bond and not an overgrown stunt-man."

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I'm just saying...



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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:28:55 PM   
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Why are you posting pics of your mum, Matthew?

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 4:34:52 PM   
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BECAUSE SHE LOVES YOU AND YOU NEVER RETURN HER CALLS, DAMNIT.

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RE: James Bond Series - 6/11/2012 5:46:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: matty_b

quote:

helped that he didnt look like a labourer off a building site


Like Sean Connery you mean who erm, worked as a labourer?


Oh shit, just remembered. Breeze doesn't like me and blocked me.

SOMEBODY QUOTE THIS!



"I'm looking for Commander Bond and not an overgrown stunt-man."

Ian Fleming on Sean Connery.

I'm just saying...





It should be noted that Fleming was so impressed with Connery's performance when he saw Dr.No that he changed his mind and included his Scottish heritage in his next book. If he could get over Connery not quite matching the literary Bond's physical appearance (the only one that does really is Timothy Dalton) what is this continued fuss about Daniel Craig supposed "miscasting". I just watched QoS again, personally my favourite of Craig's films, and he is superb in the role and effortlessly cool.

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 11:36:11 AM   
Cool Breeze


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ORIGINAL: Vadersville


quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon


quote:

ORIGINAL: matty_b

quote:

helped that he didnt look like a labourer off a building site


Like Sean Connery you mean who erm, worked as a labourer?


Oh shit, just remembered. Breeze doesn't like me and blocked me.

SOMEBODY QUOTE THIS!



"I'm looking for Commander Bond and not an overgrown stunt-man."

Ian Fleming on Sean Connery.

I'm just saying...





It should be noted that Fleming was so impressed with Connery's performance when he saw Dr.No that he changed his mind and included his Scottish heritage in his next book. If he could get over Connery not quite matching the literary Bond's physical appearance (the only one that does really is Timothy Dalton) what is this continued fuss about Daniel Craig supposed "miscasting". I just watched QoS again, personally my favourite of Craig's films, and he is superb in the role and effortlessly cool.


Well Connery was the first actor to play James Bond in this series so he had the benefit of not being compared to anyone else.The fact that he was awesome in the role helped Fleming accept him in the part.Since then the actors who have been cast have generally been tall,dark,handsome guys who play the role with a certain debonair charm.Then you have someone like Craig come along who is shorter than all those other guys,has blond hair,and um,fairly average looking to say the least ( in fairness Craig worked out like mad to get in shape for the part but nothing short of drastic plastic surgery well do anything about that craggy face of his ).He also plays the role in my opinion as a rather low life scumbag which is at odds at the more heroic figure that the other actors played.

Still,if the franchise has proven anything is that it is critic and flop proof.They could cast Danny Dyer as 007 in the next film and it would still be a smash hit.

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 11:45:09 AM   
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Holy cats, how many times does he need to remind us that he doesn't like Daniel Craig in this role?

Also: insulting someone's apperance is pretty damn low.

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 11:48:45 AM   
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I like how Breeze thinks he's an expert on what a handsome man looks like, rather than the many, many women who go wet at the knickers for him. I think I'll take their word over his.

And I'd love to know what he means by a 'low-life scumbag'. What, exactly, does Craig do that the others didn't that warrant that criticism?

I mean, I don't know why I bother asking. We all know by now he can never back up his argument and just waffles instead.


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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 11:57:00 AM   
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Holy cats, how many times does he need to remind us that he doesn't like Daniel Craig in this role?

Also: insulting someone's apperance is pretty damn low.


Didnt you say before you had blocked me on this site? Just use the block button if you dont want to read my comments.

And the appearance of an actor playing a certain role is relevant in this case.I had not taken much notice of Craig before he was cast as 007.When i found out he was and saw what he looked like,i was aghast.Sorry, but that was just my honest reaction.When i saw Casino Royale,it was a very depressing experience for this life long Bond fan.

But heck,most of you guys seem to like him and his films so..enjoy!

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 11:58:58 AM   
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I want to know though! What has Craig's Bond done to make him such a low-life that the previous Bonds haven't?



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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 12:01:06 PM   
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I have to admit I don't think Craig is what I would have thought as handsome. But I'm a straight man so what do I know? My missus and all the females I've spoken to about Bond have all said that Craig is gorgeous so there you go. I do think however he looks amazingly cool and nails the complexities of Bond's psyche perfectly. For me, he is second only to Connery as Bond. Low-life scumbag and not heroic? What are you basing this on?

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 12:20:50 PM   
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I want to know though! What has Craig's Bond done to make him such a low-life that the previous Bonds haven't?


Totally... I mean, it's not like in the old films he was a serial rapist or anything. Oh. Wait. That's exactly what he was!

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 1:46:03 PM   
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I tread with caution in Bond threads, but I do have a serious question that I'd like answered.

In the very good (but imo 20 minutes too long) Casino Royale I have a problem with Daniel Craig's portrayal of Bond and hope if someone can set me right on this I might warm to him more.

When Bond is in the Bahamas, he seduces Dimitrios' wife, Solange, and from her learns that he should travel to Miami. He does and stops the terrorist plot. When he returns, Solange has been tortured and killed. M passes comment that Bond should remain emotionally detatched, but then sarcastically adds that that's not his problem.

When I see this scene, Daniel Craig looks like he does care. Okay, he's not sobbing and rocking in the corner, but he does at least look like he's affected by Solange's death. And that doesn't work for me. Maybe I just don't read the scene right, but I just have a problem with it. I think I'd have preferred he played it much icier there, so his relationship with Vesper means much more. Not a big thing, but it does affect my appreciation of Craig as Bond and the film itself.

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 1:51:49 PM   
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That's interesting, because I honestly get the impression he doesn't care that much. It was regrettable, but like he says he's quite detached, hence why Vesper's betrayal once he's fallen in love with her is all the more devastating for him.

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 2:05:43 PM   
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That's interesting, because I honestly get the impression he doesn't care that much. It was regrettable, but like he says he's quite detached, hence why Vesper's betrayal once he's fallen in love with her is all the more devastating for him.

That makes sense. And I'm sure that is the way its meant to be. But I've always found the look in his eye is like he does care.

I'm going to square my not liking this bit (and hence spoiling what's an enjoyable if too long film, and Craig as Bond) as follows. I'll take this to be the time when he starts to care and that's the flicker I see. Other people who have died around him have been bad and deserved it, whereas Solange seems to be her own worst enemy, drawn to bad men is her downfall, but not necessarily because she is bad herself.

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RE: James Bond Series - 7/11/2012 4:35:02 PM   
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I tread with caution in Bond threads, but I do have a serious question that I'd like answered.

In the very good (but imo 20 minutes too long) Casino Royale I have a problem with Daniel Craig's portrayal of Bond and hope if someone can set me right on this I might warm to him more.

When Bond is in the Bahamas, he seduces Dimitrios' wife, Solange, and from her learns that he should travel to Miami. He does and stops the terrorist plot. When he returns, Solange has been tortured and killed. M passes comment that Bond should remain emotionally detatched, but then sarcastically adds that that's not his problem.

When I see this scene, Daniel Craig looks like he does care. Okay, he's not sobbing and rocking in the corner, but he does at least look like he's affected by Solange's death. And that doesn't work for me. Maybe I just don't read the scene right, but I just have a problem with it. I think I'd have preferred he played it much icier there, so his relationship with Vesper means much more. Not a big thing, but it does affect my appreciation of Craig as Bond and the film itself.


The scene you mention is one of the reasons i dislike Craigs Bond.He doesnt seem to care that this woman was tortured and killed.Also,he should have realised that the woman would have been a target once he got what info he was looking for and told her to leave immediately.

On a different note i dont see how he fell for Vesper so easily.Maybe its just me because despite her looks,i found that character quite annoying.

In QOS he makes the same mistake he did with Solange.Fields is killed because he left her on her own in an area where some pretty bad men were.She was not an experienced field agent and he should have shown some sense here and not left her by herself especially since the baddies knew he was with her.Now in fairness Craig does portray a lot of regret when he realises shes been killed but it was something that could have been easily avoided if the character had shown an iota of common sense.

The most offending moment in Craigs Bond films though is in QOS where he tosses a friends dead body in a dumpster and takes his wallet.What a guy! Seriously are the writers trying that hard to make us dislike this character?

I havnt seen Skyfall but a mate at work who has ( who actually does like the Craig era ) told me yesterday there is a rather tasteless scene where he allows another woman to be killed pointlessly and actually makes a joke about it.Classy.

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