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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 16/9/2014 10:18:16 PM   
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LEEDS UNITED HAVE WON A FOOTBALL MATCH ON A TUESDAY NIGHT.

THAT IS ALL.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 18/9/2014 8:50:33 PM   
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So has Oily got the boot yet/resigned yet? If so it is no surprise and just reinforces that Cardiff should have stuck with Malkey in the first place. Its still early of course but I see them struggling to get out of the Championship this season.

Am pretty pleased with Brighton's form considering they have a lot of youth and a unproven manager. A mid-table finish and a good cup run would be good for them this season.

Peterborough and Morecambe my other two clubs of interest still in strong positions.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 30/9/2014 9:35:46 PM   
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Bloody hell Charlton, take it easy, you're starting to make me a believer!!



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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 30/9/2014 9:39:55 PM   
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I prefer it when your miserable to be honest, makes me feel better about Leeds.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 30/9/2014 9:44:52 PM   
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I prefer it when your miserable to be honest, makes me feel better about Leeds.


I've been able to claw the pessimism out of recent dropped points and some shoddy post-international break performances but to go to Norwich, another promotion-worthy team, and come out on top and take our unbeaten start into double digits. Well.....

call me converted. This is pretty fucking fantastic.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 30/9/2014 9:54:10 PM   
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Fuck you and your seemingly well run Football club.

It's not too bad at Leeds to be fair. Yes, the owner is fucking mental (in a good way, he watched the Brentford game with the away fans) but for once we have a decent core of young players coming up rather than relying on old mercenary premier league rejects. Excited to see Adryan get some game time, he's supposed to be a wonderkid and if FIFA 14 is any indication, he will tear shit up.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 30/9/2014 11:44:05 PM   
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Fuck you and your seemingly well run Football club.

It's not too bad at Leeds to be fair. Yes, the owner is fucking mental (in a good way, he watched the Brentford game with the away fans) but for once we have a decent core of young players coming up rather than relying on old mercenary premier league rejects. Excited to see Adryan get some game time, he's supposed to be a wonderkid and if FIFA 14 is any indication, he will tear shit up.


I don't know just yet about that "well-run" part. RD still has a few answers to give on the longer-term objectives and what it's all going to mean, but the new manager is good, even if he is ex-Millwall....

Are you sure that's a good way? The last owner to do that was Mike Ashley, and they can't fucking abide him now. Oh yes, Leeds have the future Neymar apparently........and FIFA14 ratings are always a good benchmark.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 1/10/2014 8:08:33 AM   
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You wouldn't have got that result under Chris Powell.
I tell you though, the Championship is going to be a mental league again this season.
You can start to see a small group (top 8 or 9) just starting to get away (there will be the inevitable second half rush by a couple no doubt) the standard is very high again, but you've made a good start 'fella, as have Wolves, kept the momentum going, but I still think whoever finishes above Derby and Florist get there. They'll be the teams to beat this season.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 1/10/2014 3:18:47 PM   
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You wouldn't have got that result under Chris Powell.
I tell you though, the Championship is going to be a mental league again this season.
You can start to see a small group (top 8 or 9) just starting to get away (there will be the inevitable second half rush by a couple no doubt) the standard is very high again, but you've made a good start 'fella, as have Wolves, kept the momentum going, but I still think whoever finishes above Derby and Florist get there. They'll be the teams to beat this season.


I won't go that far just yet. After all we beat you under Powelly didn't we?

I think it'll be another tough season in this league with a fag paper only required in separating wedges of teams, whether you're talking about the play-off's or the bottom six or seven. I fancy Forest to start converting these draws back into wins and to do a Cardiff and pull away from the back, they should be as they have a superior squad to anyone else and that self-belief around the club now. For ourselves we just need to keep playing the way we are. I like the way Bob Peeters is managing this team, he's studied the opposition hard and makes the necessary changes to the formation, shape and personnel and he goes looking to get a result from absolutely every game. Last night was quite smash and grab but he knew if we could set our stall out at the back early a chance may come our way and we could get more than just a point. For a former striker Peeters recognises how it starts up top and at the back and understands the physicality of this league which is why he's brought Igor Vetokele, Andre Bikey and Tal Ben Haim to the club. Stephen Henderson has also done really well in goal and we have a couple of 17 year-old academy products, Joe Gomez and Karl Ahearne-Grant, in and around the first team as Peeters moves forward with the project of blending youth and experience.

We have the momentum and confidence now and at the moment luck is going our way too. The bubble will burst at some stage though and a real test will be how we bounce back from that. But for now we look forward to Birmingham and a game where we are, for once, looking favourites. We are not looking beyond that whatsoever. You can tell from the way Peeters talks and sets our teams out that it is one game at a time and let's just see where we are at the end of each month. There is absolutely no pressure on him or us whatsoever, no-one expected us to finish anywhere near the top six after last season let alone all the off-season changes, and at the moment the team is playing with lots of energy, confidence and commitment. We'll see where that goes.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 1/10/2014 4:35:28 PM   
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Good point for Brighton against Forest at the weekend. At the moment it looks a season of struggle for them, but that is a result they can try and
build on. Also, good to see them get Spurs in the cup just a shame it is away.

Am starting to feel quite smug after Norwich's start compared with Fulham and Cardiff.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 24/10/2014 8:03:57 PM   
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Ugh, in front of the television cameras again, 15 minutes in and we've been fucking awful!

First goal was on Solly, gave the ball away. Second goal was on poor tactics, why are we not playing Buyens in the hole again so we don't give Parker, a player we should know somewhat well, all this running room to pull the strings!?

Fans are offering excellent support and we're playing like a disinterested and lazy team.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 25/10/2014 6:59:44 PM   
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Stay hilarious Leeds, stay hilarious.

Six games is not nearly long enough to implement yourself as a manager, especially in such a high-pressure job like the Leeds one. But then again, by the same token, was he ever the right appointment? Why does that crackpot Cellino refuse to give Neil Redfearn the job on a permanent basis despite how well the team clearly respond and fare when he's been in temporary charge? The reason being offered by some that Leeds don't want Redfearn to leave his successful role with the academy is absolute rubbish. The most pivotal role in any football club is first-team manager and his history and experience with some of the younger players in the squad will be better than any Italian Tom, Dick or Harry Cellino chooses to appoint. You can find another very good academy manager out there, you have not had a steady hand at the top of the pile, where it matters most. Learn from this and at least give Redfearn the job until the end of the season.

Or prepare to be in this same spot again next year. Also, for all the money in the world, the guy is clearly an impatient, twattish lunatic. That is not going to work out long-term, I don't care if he throws wads of cash from atop the Billy Bremner statue...

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 30/10/2014 10:29:12 PM   
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Here's a strange one. At the weekend me and my mate went to a local match in Lewes, and on the way back we both saw two Brighton
supporters who had left the match before half-time. The one I saw said he left the match after ten minutes. Now things have been going
bad lately, but by that sort of reaction you would think that they were two nil down and playing really badly, yet the match ended 1-1 and the
first goal didn't come until the 40th minute and it was Brighton who got it. So I have no idea what those guys were smoking! Plus attending
a Brighton game isn't normally cheap.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 16/11/2014 9:36:39 AM   
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The Ched Evans episode continues on with both the police and Sheffield United now investigating tweets sent to Jessica Ennis threatening her with rape after she announced she'd want her name removed from a stand if the club resigns Evans. This problem is really quite simple, and it has nothing to do with the money that Evans could earn, he could go out and buy a lottery ticket tomorrow and win and there's nothing we can do or should do about it. This is about image and influence. Evans shouldn't play football again, but there shouldn't be a law for that to have to happen. This should be a simple case of morals from a club's perspective and from everybody associated with them. Nobody should want to sign Evans because club's should be happy to take a moral stance and realise that putting somebody who has been convicted of such a crime into such a position of influence is not only reflecting very poorly on them but also puts him back in the position of a role model, which a convicted rapist, regardless of whether he's served his time or not, most certainly shouldn't be.

People say, 'but he's served his time, he should be able to at least return to his job?'. This is a defence I only hear when it comes to sportsmen and women and those in a position of effective celebrity status. You won't hear this defence for a convicted teacher or police officer, and rightly so. But for a footballer it shouldn't be any different, we all know this game, we all know the influence the people in it have and we also all know how there are a significant portion of fans in this game who are less than intelligent enough to figure it out. We've already all heard the chants, seen the tweets, watched the hostility. This should be open and shut in a morally fair world but that's the problem right there, modern sport is driven ultimately by money and success, and at the expense of absolutely everything else. That's why Ched Evans will probably get a new contract, and I wouldn't administer total blame to Sheffield United there. This isn't a Sheffield United problem, I'll happily lay a large sum of money that they wouldn't be the only club to start going down this road.

Returning to the football now though. International weekend scheduling frustrates the tits off me, especially given we've got Millwall next weekend. Bournemouth ended our unbeaten run after the last break because we didn't get everyone back on time or healthy, really hope that's not the case for next Saturday as I want to finally end this duck against those tossers. We've responded really well to both our losses this season and I credit Bob Peeters for that, we could have slid and we didn't let that happen and the win against Reading was big because we needed a result on the road like that and it's put us right back in contention. There's a big gap starting to grow between the top eight and nine and the lower middle of the table too, which is always good to see. I've said all along that November is when the league really starts to take shape and you have a better idea of how everyone's faring, so to be eight and just five points off the top is a terrific position given all the changes and our struggles last season.

Igor Vetokele is a difference-maker for us too. We have to keep him fit because if we can finish in the top six he'll be a big part of the reason why. He's a dangerous finisher who has size, speed, touch and control. He's a higher-level player without a shadow of a doubt and I don't think he'll be with us for long but the impact he could have before he goes could be big.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 19/11/2014 10:01:13 AM   
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quote:

The Ched Evans episode continues on with both the police and Sheffield United now investigating tweets sent to Jessica Ennis threatening her with rape after she announced she'd want her name removed from a stand if the club resigns Evans. This problem is really quite simple, and it has nothing to do with the money that Evans could earn, he could go out and buy a lottery ticket tomorrow and win and there's nothing we can do or should do about it. This is about image and influence. Evans shouldn't play football again, but there shouldn't be a law for that to have to happen. This should be a simple case of morals from a club's perspective and from everybody associated with them. Nobody should want to sign Evans because club's should be happy to take a moral stance and realise that putting somebody who has been convicted of such a crime into such a position of influence is not only reflecting very poorly on them but also puts him back in the position of a role model, which a convicted rapist, regardless of whether he's served his time or not, most certainly shouldn't be.

People say, 'but he's served his time, he should be able to at least return to his job?'. This is a defence I only hear when it comes to sportsmen and women and those in a position of effective celebrity status. You won't hear this defence for a convicted teacher or police officer, and rightly so. But for a footballer it shouldn't be any different, we all know this game, we all know the influence the people in it have and we also all know how there are a significant portion of fans in this game who are less than intelligent enough to figure it out. We've already all heard the chants, seen the tweets, watched the hostility. This should be open and shut in a morally fair world but that's the problem right there, modern sport is driven ultimately by money and success, and at the expense of absolutely everything else. That's why Ched Evans will probably get a new contract, and I wouldn't administer total blame to Sheffield United there. This isn't a Sheffield United problem, I'll happily lay a large sum of money that they wouldn't be the only club to start going down this road.


Firstly he's not served his time, he's out of license. Secondly the club haven't offered him a contract, they've agreed to a request from the PFA for him to be allowed to train in order to gain fitness to find employement. In my opinion the club have handled this incredably poorly because they didn't come out very early and state that unless his conviction is overturned on appeal (which isn't going to happen, regardless of what some fans think), the club woudn't consider resigning him.
The coverage is extremly negative at the minute, and the media are loving keeping it going. For example they are talking about chanting, which has probably been less than 50 people and is continually drowned out by boo's whenever it starts. From what I saw from Doncaster away it's also some morons and mainly kids thinking they are being edgy and funny. They aren't and to a certain regard it is being self policed within the ground.
The tweets are an embarressment to whoever is posting them and again are being challenged by considerably more than those supporting them, and clearly any threats should be investigated by the Police.

My own thoughts are that I don't want him back, but the club should have been in front of this becaues the shitstorm wasn't difficult to see coming.
I can argue against offering him a contract on a purely football level, on a moral level and a commicial level so I've no idea what the club are playing at, seemingly feeling a strange sense of loyalty to a player who already let us down massively. I simply cannot see a single reason for signing him, and that's without all the negative impact.


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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 19/11/2014 8:24:39 PM   
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I didn't think there was a chairman out there so low to hire Malky Mackay again... Oh hi, Dave Whelan.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 20/11/2014 9:26:49 PM   
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I didn't think there was a chairman out there so low to hire Malky Mackay again... Oh hi, Dave Whelan.


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I can't say I'm surprised in the slightest.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 20/11/2014 9:35:00 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

The Ched Evans episode continues on with both the police and Sheffield United now investigating tweets sent to Jessica Ennis threatening her with rape after she announced she'd want her name removed from a stand if the club resigns Evans. This problem is really quite simple, and it has nothing to do with the money that Evans could earn, he could go out and buy a lottery ticket tomorrow and win and there's nothing we can do or should do about it. This is about image and influence. Evans shouldn't play football again, but there shouldn't be a law for that to have to happen. This should be a simple case of morals from a club's perspective and from everybody associated with them. Nobody should want to sign Evans because club's should be happy to take a moral stance and realise that putting somebody who has been convicted of such a crime into such a position of influence is not only reflecting very poorly on them but also puts him back in the position of a role model, which a convicted rapist, regardless of whether he's served his time or not, most certainly shouldn't be.

People say, 'but he's served his time, he should be able to at least return to his job?'. This is a defence I only hear when it comes to sportsmen and women and those in a position of effective celebrity status. You won't hear this defence for a convicted teacher or police officer, and rightly so. But for a footballer it shouldn't be any different, we all know this game, we all know the influence the people in it have and we also all know how there are a significant portion of fans in this game who are less than intelligent enough to figure it out. We've already all heard the chants, seen the tweets, watched the hostility. This should be open and shut in a morally fair world but that's the problem right there, modern sport is driven ultimately by money and success, and at the expense of absolutely everything else. That's why Ched Evans will probably get a new contract, and I wouldn't administer total blame to Sheffield United there. This isn't a Sheffield United problem, I'll happily lay a large sum of money that they wouldn't be the only club to start going down this road.


Firstly he's not served his time, he's out of license. Secondly the club haven't offered him a contract, they've agreed to a request from the PFA for him to be allowed to train in order to gain fitness to find employement. In my opinion the club have handled this incredably poorly because they didn't come out very early and state that unless his conviction is overturned on appeal (which isn't going to happen, regardless of what some fans think), the club woudn't consider resigning him.
The coverage is extremly negative at the minute, and the media are loving keeping it going. For example they are talking about chanting, which has probably been less than 50 people and is continually drowned out by boo's whenever it starts. From what I saw from Doncaster away it's also some morons and mainly kids thinking they are being edgy and funny. They aren't and to a certain regard it is being self policed within the ground.
The tweets are an embarressment to whoever is posting them and again are being challenged by considerably more than those supporting them, and clearly any threats should be investigated by the Police.

My own thoughts are that I don't want him back, but the club should have been in front of this becaues the shitstorm wasn't difficult to see coming.
I can argue against offering him a contract on a purely football level, on a moral level and a commicial level so I've no idea what the club are playing at, seemingly feeling a strange sense of loyalty to a player who already let us down massively. I simply cannot see a single reason for signing him, and that's without all the negative impact.



He's served his custodial sentence as far as application for conditional release is concerned, the terms of a license are quite different. Who said the club had offered him a contract? But this is exactly my point. The club are nowhere near daft enough to not know the furore this was going to cause, I do not believe for one moment this was all about honouring a request from the PFA, they were considering resigning him undoubtedly, they wanted to examine and monitor his fitness and the cynic out there would tell you there is every chance their u-turn today may have been influenced slightly by that, if he's not in a good state and isn't likely to be in the near future. This nonsense about 'retrial' drives me up the wall, do the people who comment so flatulently on this even know what these terms mean? He's already had an appeal rejected, it's going nowhere.

The coverage is extremely negative, but then it's going to be, and let's be clear, like I said I don't isolate this as a Sheffield United problem. Modern football has had the morals and ethics sucked out of it anyway. And the reference to the chanting wasn't just about United fans, the flip-side of those kind of chants and songs are as equally as bad because frankly your standard football ape who will get involved in this kind of rubbish doesn't give two hoots about women or rape. It's all 'rivalry' and 'banter' ain't it?



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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 21/11/2014 12:13:29 PM   
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My issue is that the postion to take should have been clear, that Sheffield United should have said that they are a family club who condemn rape as an abhorrent crime and therefore won't consider signing him unless his conviction is overturned, however we believe in his legal right to rehabilitation and will allow him the use of our training facilities in order for him to find employment.

Job done - done right by everyone, difficult to argue against it and put it to bed.

That statement should have been put out weeks ago.


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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 10/1/2015 11:34:26 AM   
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So Steve Bruce becomes the latest football moron to position himself as both a legal and criminal expert. The level of support for Ched Evans which, let's face it, has grown since his release from prison is a deafening statement about the problems in the game. He's been convicted, he's lost two appeals and he's publicly apologised, yet still there are those who not only defend them but then continue to lambast his victim to the point of where she has had to have her identity changed, move away from her family and friends and suffer abuse and death threats. All because she's a 'golddigger' right? Wrong. The most compensation she got paid was from the six idiots who revealed her identity publicly after the court case, she actually never went after any compensation in court and, to my knowledge, received very little. Not that this is a defence that should have to be used by a rape victim who's gone to court, won her case, seen an attempt to overturn it twice by two separate judges fail and seen her rapist come out and apologise.

Football has to stop thinking it's come so far, and accept it still has a big problem. If I was the FA I'd charge, fine and ban Bruce for bringing the game into disrepute. He'd be sitting in the stands until Easter if it was up to me. I don't care about his opinion on whether Evans should play again, his comments about a legal case which has already been settled and about 'suspect evidence' and 'questioning a victim' is unacceptable and football has to take a no-tolerance approach to this. The whole point of Evans not playing again is about his impact as a role model, and Bruce has just gone and proved exactly that with his remarks.

Allow the legal system to do it's work, which it more than has done in this case. Accept that decision, Evans legal team can fight out a challenge, and they have, and have spectacularly failed. For a man with a daughter Bruce should be ashamed of himself.



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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 11/1/2015 12:37:01 PM   
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The whole Evans things is really depressing me, and does show a really ugly side to Football IMO. Agree with you on Bruce. I normally have a lot of time for the guy, but his remarks on this one are way off.

Back on the Footballing front Chris Houghton has made a strong start at Brighton. It was a good three points away to Charlton yesterday as they are a pretty solid Championship side. Getting Arsenal in the Cup should also give the fans and players something to look forward to. The Brighton board had no other choice to but to get rid of Hypia it just wasn't working out, and they would have been in serious danger of going down if he had stayed. To me Houghton is a sound appointment who should at least steady the ship for awhile.

Bad loss for Peterborough against their local rivels Cochester yesterday. Their still within touching distance of the PO's, but are on an awful run of form. It wasn't long ago they were in the hunt for an automatic promotion.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 11/1/2015 8:06:56 PM   
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So, let me get this straight...

We sold our best players over the head of our best manager since Alan Curbishley. We never gave Chris Powell any money to spend, signed players for him who simply weren't good enough for the level, so we sacked him. We then hired a replacement, Jose Riga, and he saved us from relegation, but after talks with the owner over transfer policy was never offered a permanent contract. We then hired Bob Peeters, spent three quarters of his budget on players from our 'sister' clubs, got found out after the honeymoon period of a new manager, we have a dip, so we sack him...

Comedy show, absolute comedy show.

This man's going to ruin us. Martin Samuel was right, we're a dumping ground.

It's no coincidence that all three managers got their marching orders at the start of a transfer window. This owner and his henchlady are running the team, and it's not working. They need to go.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 11/1/2015 10:48:59 PM   
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To make matters worse a group of Charlton fans who represent a section of the LGBT group were duped into a hoax meeting before yesterday's game and some members were attacked and suffered injuries. Police are investigating but are already confident those responsible are connected to Charlton, and not Brighton.

This is my football club.......again, muddled up in this. Once proud family club that preached loyalty, trust, tolerance and diversity, reduced to this.

I don't know this club anymore, not the club I grew up supporting.


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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 12/1/2015 12:17:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Goodfella

To make matters worse a group of Charlton fans who represent a section of the LGBT group were duped into a hoax meeting before yesterday's game and some members were attacked and suffered injuries. Police are investigating but are already confident those responsible are connected to Charlton, and not Brighton.

This is my football club.......again, muddled up in this. Once proud family club that preached loyalty, trust, tolerance and diversity, reduced to this.

I don't know this club anymore, not the club I grew up supporting.



That is very sad to hear. You have had solid season on the pitch so far, but clearly there are more important issues off it which are in danger of racking you're long term future. Good luck with those.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 14/1/2015 11:32:42 PM   
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Guy Luzon is both a thoroughly unsurprising and uninspiring appointment.

The whole process stinks to high heaven and no matter how many 'official statements' the club try and throw our way only the most naive or gullible fans are buying any of it. On Monday Katrien Meire released a press statement saying that absolutely the club had not planned to sack Bob Peeters prior to the game against Brighton, they had complete confidence in him right up until the end and that the search for a new head coach had only just started. She said all this in front of club cameras whilst the Evening Standard were outside taking snapshots of our chief of security rushing Guzon in through the West Stand car park entrance and 24 hours later he was in charge of the team. Belgian papers reported that Duchatelet wanted Guzon for Charlton last week, Peeters has since given an interview to his local paper stating he knew he was in trouble when Guzon was sacked by Duchatelet in October as Standard Liege boss and said he knew of the likelihood of his future before the game against Brighton. The players are understandably troubled and concerned about the lack of English experience of someone like Guzon, not to mention the lack of stability at the club. There is also a real stink in that Guzon's contract with Liege was due to expire at the end of the 2016 season and there is no official word on his contract at Charlton yet, but word has it it's in the region of 18 months, meaning there is every chance the contract has just passed over. Just like with the way he "shares" players between his clubs, he's now doing it with staff. Guzon had a flat finish at Liege too, taking them all the way down to 12th in a 16-team league. How an owner can justify appointing him manager in the toughest league any one of his clubs compete in having sacked him from another of his clubs is beyond me, but so far nothing has been predictable with Duchatelet, and everything has been questionable and suspicious.

His reason for sacking Bob Peeters is blanketed in another campaign of misdirection as well. Rumblings of him having lost the dressing room and 'ruling by fear', his comments about certain players performances after the November loss to Ipswich at home and Peeters own concerns about transfer policy, which cost his two predecessors their jobs. Peeters did hand down criticism to one or two quite publicly, and they thoroughly deserved it. Luzon spent most of his press conference today fumbling his way through sitcom-bad English and talking about "needing positive team spirit, yes, yes?" as if this was a wink in the eye to the parts of the media who want to flutter with this back-stabbing, trigger-happy out-of-his-depth-in-English-football madcap owner and his henchlady and her pals. Really it should only demand further questions be asked of Duchatelet if any of it's true anyway. How is 25 games enough to learn this is going to be such a problem he can no longer manage the team, and what has he suddenly learned about him in two and a half months that he didn't learn about him in six months of due dilligence? Duchatelet knew Peeters before he brought him to Charlton, again I don't buy any of it.

The two players signed before Peeters departed and Luzon was appointed have both previously played for Luzon, along with six others at the club. Again we find ourselves, like with Powell and Riga, in a situation where the owner is demanded his chosen players play games, and now three managers have gone out on a limb to point out they are simply not good enough at this level, or not the players they feel we need or fit best, and it has cost them their job. And all three have done a fine job with three different squads of players that haven't previously played for one of Duchatelet's other clubs. Outside of Igor Vetokele and Yoni Buyens, no-one else has made more than two starts this season who he has acquired, and if you go back and look at the last six games of Riga's tenure when he saved us from relegation none of them started those final games with the exception of Reza Ghoochannejhad who is no longer with the club and was released during the period when Riga had left and Peeters wasn't employed. He also managed one goal across 18 games for us last season, hardly the stuff of a must-have for your team-sheet.

To suggest as well that Peeters lost his job because poor form is incredulous. Every team suffers dips and we have a thin squad that is simply not good enough to stay competitive in the top six all year. The fast start was fantastic but it was never going to last and promotion was never on the agenda this season, and if it was then the manager should have been given some cold, hard money to spend on the players he wanted to get us there. This owner spent this time last year promoting all about himself being patient, not wanting to throw money down on the table and expect overnight results, yet the way he's treated all our managers suggests that's exactly what he is, except he's not actually willing to spend any real money on it! I also really, really, really dislike Meire who is effectively running the club. She looks and sounds like a deceptive cow, she has every right to run it squarely as a business as that's what modern football is but she's making bad decisions and she's getting caught out as a liar now. Even with the priorities as a business the categorized ticketing is a joke, we don't have any 'big' games as this level so to be fleecing fans more than West Ham charge to watch us play at home versus Derby is just one in a number of steps downwards this club is taking from what it had previously prided itself on. But I suppose that is the way of modern football too, which is probably why I hate the game now more than ever...

We can forget the Premiership next year, the way we're going will be in League One. This club's most successful eras were built on stability, trust and loyalty, and actually very little on transfer windows. For all the thinly-veiled accusations of poor man management on Peeters behalf, Duchatelet and co. have built a stigma themselves to every future manager and player. They most likely have their yes man now but everyone else at the club is quietly considering where the nearest exit door is.

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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 16/1/2015 10:03:20 PM   
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The class of clowns isn't over just yet. Guy Luzon's UK work permit has been initially rejected due to paperwork issues and he now cannot take charge of the team for tomorrow's away trip to Watford. This makes Katrien Meire's Monday statement about the process of a "thorough and clear search" for a new head coach even more laughable now, it also shows the ownership up for a total lack of due diligence as well as going a long way to show how quickly they rushed this appointment through whilst they were shafting the fans, the players and Bob Peeters. Damien Matthew and Ben Roberts were already going to take charge of tomorrow's match, would one more week have killed the owners? No, but of course Meire, as she scandalously said the other day, wants to send a message to the fans about the way Duchatelet runs his clubs and we have to accept it.

Well, well and truly accepted Katrien. You run it like a bunch of inept imbeciles who can cover your tracks in business and make millions off the stock markets, but in football all is there for the public eye to see.

And, of course, Katrien has been forced to defend herself and Duchatelet because I have never seen such a perfect storm from Charlton fans when it comes to taking an instant disliking to a decision. They have been rammed so hard on social media she had to make a statement to the national press about it!



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RE: The Championship and worse thread 2009/2010!!!!! - 18/1/2015 8:52:27 AM   
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If I had a pound for every time Damien Matthew mentioned the word confidence during yesterday's post-game press conference I'd have more than enough money to buy you all Sunday lunch! Yesterday's 5-0 drubbing was weaker than the scoreline even suggested, if it wasn't for young Etheridge in goal it could have easily been 8-0, from about thee 15-minute point onwards they were all over us and we were just begging for it to be over. The heads were completely down, many compared it to last year's FA Cup exit to Sheffield United, and they'd be right. That also came at a very unstable time at the club and with players seriously concerned about the future, and we don't need to extend the metaphor of comparison there.

Matthew also pointed out how thin the squad is in terms of depth for this level, and that's coming from an outstanding coach at academy level who's been with us for the better part of a decade and has had three promotions under three different owners. We still don't know the situation with Guy Luzon either, Matthew said as far as he's aware he's taking training on Monday and preparing for Wolves next week. By praising Watford and their 'top-drawer, well-equipped side' Matthew was also pointing out to our owners exactly how far we are behind them in terms of that.

Right now we are teetering on a relegation battle and unlike last year when the players were getting their first taste of the owners decision-making and perhaps a bit more willing to give it time and believe in it, this time they are far from sure and by all accounts deeply concerned about Luzon's lack of experience and the owner's unpredictability. A cheeky tenner on us going down is an almost worthwhile bet at the moment.

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