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24 Season 7 - US Speed - 10/7/2007 2:00:17 PM   
Timon


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As everyone knows 24 is going to be back for two more seasons and possibly still a movie despite the lacklustre sixth season. Everyone who saw it knows it was repetative, slow, predictable, ever so racist and what was more shocking....dull. The thing it seems the producers may have taken note with the below article:

Is '24' running out of time?

JACK BAUER, America's favorite counter-terrorism agent with the violent code of honor and the weird sadomasochistic bent, is squaring off against a stealthy and unforgiving new enemy.

His fans.

After peaking in the ratings last year, Fox's thriller "24" has been getting dumped on by seemingly everyone in this, its sixth season. Critics and fans alike are aiming tomatoes at the stage, carping about the soapy and repetitive plotlines that unspool Jack's unlikely familial past, tiresome romantic triangles in the security bureaucracy and endless bickering among Oval Office advisors.

Last week, with a fresh episode designed to lay the groundwork for what the creators promise will be a typically suspenseful finale next month, "24's" ratings in the key young-adult category swooned to their lowest level in more than three years, with a total audience of just 10.4 million, according to figures from Nielsen Media Research.

More than one-third of viewers have bailed since the special four-hour season premiere that aired over two consecutive nights back in January. And if that wasn't enough bad news for the series, last week "24" was one of the prime-time shows that the Federal Communications Commission singled out in urging Congress to curb TV violence.

The vox populi protests have not escaped the attention of the show's producers, who promise that some big changes are on the way for Jack (Kiefer Sutherland) and other regulars next season. There's also speculation that something else might be at work in accounting for viewers' tune-out this season, but more about that in a minute.

"It hurts to hear the criticism," said executive producer and writer Howard Gordon, who spoke with me last week by phone as the cast and crew crashed to finish shooting the season's final episode, set to air May 21.

"I don't dispute it's been a challenging season to write for us. But it's reinvigorated our determination to reinvent the show. This year could be seen to be the last iteration of it in its current state."

Oh, dear. Reinvention? That does sound ominous. But Gordon says not to worry, as Jack "won't be flipping burgers."

"It won't be a musical or a half-hour," he added. "I've got a couple ideas, none of which I could even begin to share responsibly."

So "24" — the TV institution, to say nothing of the show's ongoing narrative — has at last arrived at a crossroads, and what an odd trip it's been.

Premiering less than two months after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, "24" initially amounted to barely a blip on the pop-culture radar. The premise — each episode unfolding in real time over the course of a single day as Jack races to foil some dastardly conspiracy — sounded gimmicky. And given recent American history, Jack's missions against Middle Eastern bad guys could easily have struck too close to home. (As it is, the show has prompted plenty of complaints for propagating noxious ethnic and religious stereotypes; witness this season's major plot involving a diabolical terrorist overlord named Abu Fayed.)

But Fox stuck by the show, and, thanks in large part to the about-to-explode television DVD market, it steadily grew a fan base that finally made it blossom into true hit-level status sometime during the critically acclaimed and Emmy-winning fifth season.

I always loved "24's" willingness to work without a net, to go to crazy extremes in expanding the thriller format and somehow live to tell the tale — to outLudlum Robert Ludlum, as it were.

But two personal anecdotes brought the show's mass appeal home for me: My 70-something mother-in-law, a rock-ribbed Republican with narrow TV tastes outside of "The O'Reilly Factor," confessed that she never missed "24." And last year, while walking in downtown Burbank, I happened to observe a middle-age man take his female companion's hand and inquire, in a tone of voice at once soothing and conspiratorial, "What do you say we go home, build a fire and watch '24'?"

But the clock is ticking, for fans as well as for Jack Bauer. Longtime devotees are struggling to keep the faith during this trying season.

"The writers have recycled some plots this season that are glaringly obvious: a recording, an almost removed president, an assassination attempt on that president, an attack on a Middle Eastern country, an impending nuclear strike, a person close to Jack kidnapped, etc.," Victor Lana, a novelist who follows "24" for BlogCritics Magazine, wrote in an e-mail. But "the bottom line is that we still care about Jack Bauer."

Meanwhile, with apologies to my mother-in-law, "24's" audience is getting noticeably grayer, typically a sign that a show is losing its purchase on the windy crags of pop culture. According to Brad Adgate, senior vice president at the New York ad firm Horizon Media, the median age is 47.4 so far this season, compared with 45.1 last year and 42 in the 2003-04 season.

Those born with resistance to "24's" charms have noted that in the second and third seasons the show benefited from following "American Idol." Now, though, its scheduling is cutting the other way: In recent weeks the show's Monday lead-in was "Drive," a new cross-country caper that bombed and got yanked last week. (The network hastily replaced it with reruns of "House.")

"We had every hope that 'Drive' would be a good companion to '24' and successor to 'Prison Break.' We were wrong," Fox Entertainment President Peter Liguori told me, adding quickly that he nevertheless believed "24" would bounce back stronger next year.

But Gordon said he and his writing staff were wondering if something else was afoot besides the normal cycles of storytelling and network scheduling.

Could it be that the vague but gnawing post-9/11 fears that helped turn "24" into a hit are ebbing — the nightmares that envisioned great cities laid low by chemical weapons spilled into the water supply, say, or suitcase nukes wielded by shadowy assailants?

"It's something we talked about at the beginning of the season," Gordon said. "9/11 is becoming, quietly, a memory; the memory is starting to fade…. I do think that people are looking at the world differently, with less fear."

If so, that's probably good for America. And alas, that's probably bad for "24." Real-life political tension does wonders for creators of thriller fare. Look how kind the Cold War was to Ludlum and Tom Clancy.

Even so, Gordon sounds optimistic that "24" can recover from its annus horribilis and deliver the goods next season, no matter what changes are ultimately in store for the ever-suffering Jack Bauer.

"Certain tropes of the show will remain the same," Gordon said. "It'll keep its contract with the audience. We'll keep the adrenaline going."



So unless Jack is going after The Pope, they need to make this season smaller, more compact and more personal a la Season 1. And please, get it out of LA.

It's now several months later and pre-production is warming up for Jack's return. It's not going smoothly though.

It turns out there are delays due to location problems.

Season 7 of 24 promises to be its most tense yet. At least on the set.

Execs at the Fox hit have scrapped virtually their entire story line for the season, delaying the start of production by roughly three weeks. According to sources, the 11th-hour time-out was called after the network put the kibosh on a costly plan to shoot a number of episodes in Africa. Producers briefly toyed with the idea of finding a location in Los Angeles that could sub for the continent, but they ultimately decided to ditch the whole concept and start over from scratch.

Although a 20th Century Fox spokesperson declined to comment, 24's expert scowler, Mary Lynn Rajskub, confirms that the clock for Day 7 has been reset. "I don't know what's going on over there, but they're going crazy," says the scene-stealer, who only learned last week that Chloe would even be returning. "We usually start [back up] at the end of July, and I don't think we're starting until a couple of weeks into August now. It's kind of exciting, because I think [the postponement] means that they're really having to dig in there and come up with new stuff."

The show's creative team was no doubt already feeling the pressure: Day 6 was considered to be about as explosive as a wet firecracker, so for Season 7 they really needed a plot that was incendiary. In fact, news of the setback comes on the same day the semiannual Television Week critics' poll (in which yours truly participated) named 24 the second worst show on TV, behind ABC's best-not-traveled October Road.

For more on 24's big rewrite — including what impact it'll have on plans to introduce the show's first female president — check out Ask Ausiello this Wednesday.


Oh yes, that's right. Chloe is returning and the new President will be female. I assume Wayne died. Doesn't bode well however for a smaller, more personal story if we're having a problem at The White House.......

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 2:08:50 PM   
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The program really needs to get out of L.A and please not another Terrorist bomb plot. Once you blow up a nuclear bomb you really done all you can on that subject

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 2:10:51 PM   
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The first four episodes of Season 6 were really good - but then they lost it all soon after that when they started recycling storylines.

I think they should have scrapped the 24 formula a few seasons ago. Just run with a CTU spin-off, forget the time scales and have CTU run by Michelle and Tony.


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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 2:21:23 PM   
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Season six got off to a cracking start, but it petered out and the last 4 episodes were the worst I've seen in any series of 24, and that includes Kim and the cougar. I'm not holding out much hope for season 7 on that basis, plus the article in the opening post.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 2:30:07 PM   
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Wouldn't it be safe to say that 24 became really big around series 4, so the most recent viewers won't have recognised alot of recurring ideas.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 3:02:56 PM   
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I'm really hoping they can pull things together for Season 7, but if this too is as lackluster as 6 then I'm done.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 3:08:15 PM   
Timon


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Woger

Wouldn't it be safe to say that 24 became really big around series 4, so the most recent viewers won't have recognised alot of recurring ideas.


I'd say Season 2 was just as big as Season 6 in terms of a nuke hidden in LA, president deciding whether to go to war, attempted coups, personal problems.....in fact it was the same as Season 6 just 100x better.

I liked how they shook it up in Season 3. Jack undercover for half the season, the move to Mexico, Jack's new partner in the form of Chase and the fact that Jack had a drug problem throughout that he was battling and trying to stop his colleagues and family from finding out about.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 3:38:40 PM   
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So they're in LA again? AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH! They are so lazy, the only thing I want in LA is soundstage work, I never want to see the US Bank Tower again

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 3:48:47 PM   
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Season 6 started off quite well, but then limped off even though it had such a great premise.

I think it would have been good had we seen more damage to Jack after what he had endured in China. Having him barking orders two hours in after not talking for 6 months was just a missed opportunity.

It is certainly getting to a point where they have to either make it smaller and personal for Jack or get rid of him totally and get a new cast in which they are all strong characters and can hold the season, having multiple cast members scattered out doing different things as opposed to surfing the net whilst Bauer takes names.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 3:48:49 PM   
Woger


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

quote:

ORIGINAL: Woger

Wouldn't it be safe to say that 24 became really big around series 4, so the most recent viewers won't have recognised alot of recurring ideas.


I'd say Season 2 was just as big as Season 6 in terms of a nuke hidden in LA, president deciding whether to go to war, attempted coups, personal problems.....in fact it was the same as Season 6 just 100x better.

I liked how they shook it up in Season 3. Jack undercover for half the season, the move to Mexico, Jack's new partner in the form of Chase and the fact that Jack had a drug problem throughout that he was battling and trying to stop his colleagues and family from finding out about.


I meant big as in ratings wise, so if people only started watching in large numbers from season 4 then they won't have picked up the rehashes.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 3:58:11 PM   
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In my book, this needs 2 things to make it interesting next year - the abandonment of the "real time" format (a gimmick that is now very stale, not to mention restrictive), and a look inwards for new bad guys.  People need to be reminded that pre 9/11 the biggest terrorist attack in the US wasn't perpetrated by muslims, but corn-fed god-fearing right-wing white boys from the local militia.  But then again, Fox would stand to lose a considerable percentage of its viewers if that demographic were portrayed as un-American.

Oh, and no more fucking nuclear/bio attacks or attempted coups please - i've long since had my fill of these tired plot devices.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 4:03:14 PM   
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I agree. Let's have some neo-Nazis or some rogue gun militia trying to take down the local government or hell, even some ultra-radical Doomsday cult of some sort.

They won't ditch the real time though. That's kind of what the whole show is built around.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 4:03:21 PM   
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Losing the real time format could work. However it would then make the title a little redundant

Perhaps reducing the show to 16/18 episodes instead too, in order to keep plot lines tight and less need for memory losses and cougars. Plus, if you keep the story taking place over one day still you don't have to worry about time constraints as long is finishes within 24 hours of the first episode.  

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 4:10:32 PM   
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Let me know if Kim dies horribly in an episode so I can watch it.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 4:12:46 PM   
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Or the new series could have Jack step out of the shower, ala Bobby Ewing, with a large part of the past series' not having happened. The opportunities are endless.
Also, did the producers seriously contemplate having the holy grail as a plot device for a series?

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 4:16:35 PM   
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How about Jack Bauer infiltrates the hostel from Hostel and it turns out it's run by Nina's family?  Imagine the torture possibilities!

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 4:25:53 PM   
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Chloe's one of them main reasons why the show has become stale, I like the character but the tech element with their magic tracking systems and arbitrary excuses needs to be removed. She needs a second career as a diplomat, then she could cause an international incident with her faux-pas

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 4:54:40 PM   
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The dissapointment of season 6 is directly connected to the end of season 5. So much good stuff was set up only to be wiped away for a boring run of the mill season with some awful plotting.

I wish they hadn't killed Henderson though.

For me a good season of 24 would Jack having a bounty being put on his head and having to try and survive against multiple killers. Keep it small, tense and thrilling with the central mystery of who wants Jack dead.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 5:11:14 PM   
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Part of the problem with 24, IMO, is the fact that they seem to write the plot as they film it, leading to some jarring narrative switches, plot holes and changes in pacing. Classic examples of this are Teri's memory loss in Season 1, the suddenly forgotten nuclear explosion in Season 6 (amazing how it didn't effect LA's traffic patterns, or pretty much anything else in the world of any significance) and how exactly did Charles Logan know about Jack's Dad's involvement in the plot in Season 6 (any excuse to wheel out a fav character huh?).

Maybe for Season 7 they can actually spend some time working out a well paced, vaguely credible set of plot and character arcs ahead of time and stick to them. May be that way we'll avoid hours filled with CTU domestic drama gumph.

Oh, and please, no more Bauer domestics. I know its a theme of the show to have jack's family involved but really, after the death of Teri, Kim & the Cougar, Kim's pointless Season 5 Cameo, bad brother, bad dad and Audrey the vegetable I think we've done the Bauer clan and hangers on to death. How's about they don't make it personal again and just let Jack kick arse and take names...

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 5:25:05 PM   
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The bounty idea was great and something I thought they implement in either Season 5 or 6 with the Chinese determined to get Jack...but it wasn't to be. The Chinese threat was completely wasted.

It's something they could do for Season 7 though. I'm sure they are several villains that have gone unaccounted for who could resurface - Marie Warner? Daughter of Stephen Saunders? We never even learnt what happened to Charles Logan....did he die?

I'm still up for Jack and Aaron Pierce setting up a detective agency in Hawaii.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 5:42:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

They won't ditch the real time though. That's kind of what the whole show is built around.


I know, wishful thinking on my part really, because it has slowly but surely got very tired, resulting in half a dozen eps per season of padding.  But just because the show is called "24" doesn't mean they need 24 hours of footage any more than classic cold war movie "Five Days in May" lasted 120 hours!  Trim the fat, make it a lean, mean 13-16 episodes of kick-ass Bauer power per season running from September-January


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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 7:03:00 PM   
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They really did balls up season 6 by having Jack back to his old self after a couple of episodes. It had lots of potential, but it appears they decided to play safe - LA, Nuclear Attack, and trying to over-throw the President etc.

And I'm not feeling too confident about season 7 if they're only being given three weeks to come up with a new plot! Though I suppose it's not their fault if Fox nix their idea, setting it in Africa could have been a welcome breath of fresh air.


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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 7:06:42 PM   
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quote:

While in Brazil recently, Kiefer Sutherland gave a glimpse into the upcoming season of "24” and what his character, Jack Bauer will be up to. "Bauer will be his own boss, at the end of the sixth season he's tired, disillusioned with the government and doesn't want to have anything more to do with the presidency,” Sutherland said while in Brazil recently. "He's going to be on his own.” Sutherland was in country shooting an ad for Citroen.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19621265/


Yea, yea. A rogue with a personal journey for 5 minutes then back to normal. Deja vu


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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 7:17:41 PM   
Timon


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A terrifying insight into how 24 is written.

Season 6 is now history for Kiefer Sutherland and FOX's "24." But the team behind Jack Bauer and CTU are already scheming on plot lines and ideas for Season 7. The pressure is on to deliver. Jack's latest crusade got a cool reception from some fans this spring who complained about a familiar theme of nukes in the hands of terrorists.

One of the key men behind the show is Writer and Executive Producer Michael Loceff, who lives in Kitsap County's Kingston area. We asked him what's up for next season. Loceff told us, "what we are going for, is really taking this to the personal level," unlike this season's focus on nuclear threats, the President getting hurt and possible war. Loceff says "you just can't go much bigger than that, unless you put a spacesuit on Jack Bauer and shoot him into orbit. Which you know, we may get there. but we're not going to be there yet."

Next season expect smaller story lines for the characters, including Jack. Loceff adds "and he how tries to resolve a particularly thorny conflict in the final episode."

One reason Loceff can't spill the beans about next season is, most of it hasn't even been written. Instead, most of the show is written, filmed and edited during the season. Loceff says "that's apparently one of the surprising facts about the show."

He believes that fly by the seat of your pants system gives the show intensity. Loceff says "the pace that we like to run it at, doesn't work if we stick to the outline."

There are constant re-writes. Loceff says "the problem with that is, when you do all the squeezing and throwing out, and squeezing and throwing out, by the time you are done, you have squeezed 6 episodes of work into one episode, so you no longer have stories for 5 episodes." Or an episode may end-up several minutes short. That's when the race begins to think of additional story lines and finish writing, whether it's at Loceff's Kingston home or the writing room, which is in the same building as CTU's studio in Chatsworth, California. Loceff says "a lot of paper-balls get tossed around. There's people doing spit-balls at each other."

But Loceff's got a writing system down pat with his cousin Joel Surnow, a co-creater of "24". Surnow sits at his computer and types while Loceff circles the room spewing out lines. Sometimes they use ideas they've saved. Loceff says "let's see uh, the President's wife is having an affair. Can we use that? Uh, no that didn't work. We pull out one after another ideas, things, that we want Jack to say or do. Jack in group therapy? Not yet."

Loceff tells us Season 7 will focus on smaller and more intense story lines. but the specifics are still a mystery, even for Loceff and the writers.

 
Gives it intensity?! No, it really doesn't.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 7:37:44 PM   
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I think its on the Second Season DVD, where they are about half way through the season - maybe more and the begin discussing the ending. Does seem a really strange way to do it, I mean, you would hope they at least had an idea where they were taking it. I think just having one writer would help, the poor episodes are often the ones that contradict other episodes out of the blue

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 10/7/2007 7:48:32 PM   
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How does this compare to other shows? Its no wonder things start well and almost immediately turn to shit, how can they expect this season to be any more coherent with that philosophy? Completely at the expense of well drawn characters for a short-term thrill


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RE: 24 Season 7 - 11/7/2007 4:56:29 AM   
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Shooting for series 7 has been delayed
They are having to re-write scenes as they were planning a shoot in Africa but Fox won't sign off on the budget....what i've read didn't say where in Africa as that would have maybe been a clue as to what 7th series would be about

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 11/7/2007 12:29:50 PM   
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As everyone knows 24 is going to be back for two more seasons and possibly still a movie despite the lacklustre sixth season. Everyone who saw it knows it was repetative, slow, predictable, ever so racist and what was more shocking....dull. The thing it seems the producers may have taken note with the below article:

Is '24' running out of time?

JACK BAUER, America's favorite counter-terrorism agent with the violent code of honor and the weird sadomasochistic bent, is squaring off against a stealthy and unforgiving new enemy.

His fans.

After peaking in the ratings last year, Fox's thriller "24" has been getting dumped on by seemingly everyone in this, its sixth season. Critics and fans alike are aiming tomatoes at the stage, carping about the soapy and repetitive plotlines that unspool Jack's unlikely familial past, tiresome romantic triangles in the security bureaucracy and endless bickering among Oval Office advisors.

Last week, with a fresh episode designed to lay the groundwork for what the creators promise will be a typically suspenseful finale next month, "24's" ratings in the key young-adult category swooned to their lowest level in more than three years, with a total audience of just 10.4 million, according to figures from Nielsen Media Research.

More than one-third of viewers have bailed since the special four-hour season premiere that aired over two consecutive nights back in January. And if that wasn't enough bad news for the series, last week "24" was one of the prime-time shows that the Federal Communications Commission singled out in urging Congress to curb TV violence.

The vox populi protests have not escaped the attention of the show's producers, who promise that some big changes are on the way for Jack (Kiefer Sutherland) and other regulars next season. There's also speculation that something else might be at work in accounting for viewers' tune-out this season, but more about that in a minute.

"It hurts to hear the criticism," said executive producer and writer Howard Gordon, who spoke with me last week by phone as the cast and crew crashed to finish shooting the season's final episode, set to air May 21.

"I don't dispute it's been a challenging season to write for us. But it's reinvigorated our determination to reinvent the show. This year could be seen to be the last iteration of it in its current state."

Oh, dear. Reinvention? That does sound ominous. But Gordon says not to worry, as Jack "won't be flipping burgers."

"It won't be a musical or a half-hour," he added. "I've got a couple ideas, none of which I could even begin to share responsibly."

So "24" — the TV institution, to say nothing of the show's ongoing narrative — has at last arrived at a crossroads, and what an odd trip it's been.

Premiering less than two months after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, "24" initially amounted to barely a blip on the pop-culture radar. The premise — each episode unfolding in real time over the course of a single day as Jack races to foil some dastardly conspiracy — sounded gimmicky. And given recent American history, Jack's missions against Middle Eastern bad guys could easily have struck too close to home. (As it is, the show has prompted plenty of complaints for propagating noxious ethnic and religious stereotypes; witness this season's major plot involving a diabolical terrorist overlord named Abu Fayed.)

But Fox stuck by the show, and, thanks in large part to the about-to-explode television DVD market, it steadily grew a fan base that finally made it blossom into true hit-level status sometime during the critically acclaimed and Emmy-winning fifth season.

I always loved "24's" willingness to work without a net, to go to crazy extremes in expanding the thriller format and somehow live to tell the tale — to outLudlum Robert Ludlum, as it were.

But two personal anecdotes brought the show's mass appeal home for me: My 70-something mother-in-law, a rock-ribbed Republican with narrow TV tastes outside of "The O'Reilly Factor," confessed that she never missed "24." And last year, while walking in downtown Burbank, I happened to observe a middle-age man take his female companion's hand and inquire, in a tone of voice at once soothing and conspiratorial, "What do you say we go home, build a fire and watch '24'?"

But the clock is ticking, for fans as well as for Jack Bauer. Longtime devotees are struggling to keep the faith during this trying season.

"The writers have recycled some plots this season that are glaringly obvious: a recording, an almost removed president, an assassination attempt on that president, an attack on a Middle Eastern country, an impending nuclear strike, a person close to Jack kidnapped, etc.," Victor Lana, a novelist who follows "24" for BlogCritics Magazine, wrote in an e-mail. But "the bottom line is that we still care about Jack Bauer."

Meanwhile, with apologies to my mother-in-law, "24's" audience is getting noticeably grayer, typically a sign that a show is losing its purchase on the windy crags of pop culture. According to Brad Adgate, senior vice president at the New York ad firm Horizon Media, the median age is 47.4 so far this season, compared with 45.1 last year and 42 in the 2003-04 season.

Those born with resistance to "24's" charms have noted that in the second and third seasons the show benefited from following "American Idol." Now, though, its scheduling is cutting the other way: In recent weeks the show's Monday lead-in was "Drive," a new cross-country caper that bombed and got yanked last week. (The network hastily replaced it with reruns of "House.")

"We had every hope that 'Drive' would be a good companion to '24' and successor to 'Prison Break.' We were wrong," Fox Entertainment President Peter Liguori told me, adding quickly that he nevertheless believed "24" would bounce back stronger next year.

But Gordon said he and his writing staff were wondering if something else was afoot besides the normal cycles of storytelling and network scheduling.

Could it be that the vague but gnawing post-9/11 fears that helped turn "24" into a hit are ebbing — the nightmares that envisioned great cities laid low by chemical weapons spilled into the water supply, say, or suitcase nukes wielded by shadowy assailants?

"It's something we talked about at the beginning of the season," Gordon said. "9/11 is becoming, quietly, a memory; the memory is starting to fade…. I do think that people are looking at the world differently, with less fear."

If so, that's probably good for America. And alas, that's probably bad for "24." Real-life political tension does wonders for creators of thriller fare. Look how kind the Cold War was to Ludlum and Tom Clancy.

Even so, Gordon sounds optimistic that "24" can recover from its annus horribilis and deliver the goods next season, no matter what changes are ultimately in store for the ever-suffering Jack Bauer.

"Certain tropes of the show will remain the same," Gordon said. "It'll keep its contract with the audience. We'll keep the adrenaline going."



So unless Jack is going after The Pope, they need to make this season smaller, more compact and more personal a la Season 1. And please, get it out of LA.

It's now several months later and pre-production is warming up for Jack's return. It's not going smoothly though.

It turns out there are delays due to location problems.

Season 7 of 24 promises to be its most tense yet. At least on the set.

Execs at the Fox hit have scrapped virtually their entire story line for the season, delaying the start of production by roughly three weeks. According to sources, the 11th-hour time-out was called after the network put the kibosh on a costly plan to shoot a number of episodes in Africa. Producers briefly toyed with the idea of finding a location in Los Angeles that could sub for the continent, but they ultimately decided to ditch the whole concept and start over from scratch.

Although a 20th Century Fox spokesperson declined to comment, 24's expert scowler, Mary Lynn Rajskub, confirms that the clock for Day 7 has been reset. "I don't know what's going on over there, but they're going crazy," says the scene-stealer, who only learned last week that Chloe would even be returning. "We usually start [back up] at the end of July, and I don't think we're starting until a couple of weeks into August now. It's kind of exciting, because I think [the postponement] means that they're really having to dig in there and come up with new stuff."

The show's creative team was no doubt already feeling the pressure: Day 6 was considered to be about as explosive as a wet firecracker, so for Season 7 they really needed a plot that was incendiary. In fact, news of the setback comes on the same day the semiannual Television Week critics' poll (in which yours truly participated) named 24 the second worst show on TV, behind ABC's best-not-traveled October Road.

For more on 24's big rewrite — including what impact it'll have on plans to introduce the show's first female president — check out Ask Ausiello this Wednesday.


Oh yes, that's right. Chloe is returning and the new President will be female. I assume Wayne died. Doesn't bode well however for a smaller, more personal story if we're having a problem at The White House.......


So they  have bottled it again and gone for the lazy option


Oh Gimme a break.

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RE: 24 Season 7 - 11/7/2007 12:32:58 PM   
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24 has always been written on the fly during filming, ever since Season 1. That's why you have the Teri amnesia subplot in the second half of the season. Apparently the creators only expected to get a half season order for the show so only wrote a story arc for the first twelve episodes beforehand (the whole Teri and Kim get kidnapped saga). When they unexpectedly got picked up for a whole season they had to come up with a new second half -arc and the amnesia plot was the best they could come up with for Teri at short notice (bobbins though it was).

That's why you tend to get mini-arcs throughout each season which, if you think about them too hard, either serve little or no purpose or make no real sense when hitched to the rest of the plot. I'm thinking of the 'Wayne's sister's Boyfriend being interned' arc in Season 6, which went nowhere, or the initial terrorist standoff at the airport in Season 5 (good though that arc was there was no real reason for the nerve gas to be buried at the airport. Also why Logan would arrange for the terrorists to pick it up there, thereby requiring them to take huge numbers of hostages. Also utter bobbins if you think about it.). The same could be said for the whole Logan arc in Season 6, which only appeared to have been included because Logan, Martha and Aaron were so popular in Season 5, but added nothing to the plot, made no real sense and was quickly dropped.




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RE: 24 Season 7 - 11/7/2007 4:04:11 PM   
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Get rid of Chole, job done.  She's annoying, whiny, can't act and does something every hour, every day that would have her imprisoned at the very least.  The bitch is a walking cartoon.

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