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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 5/6/2012 10:27:18 AM   
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I don't think the Red Wedding will be the Season 3 finale. It doesn't happen right at the end of the book and there are major developments after the wedding, it would also have a massive dramatic impact if it happened say around episode 6 for those who haven't read the books and will never see it coming!

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 6/6/2012 9:29:49 AM   
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I really didn't like the look of the white walkers or the wights. The latter just looked like cheap knockoffs from the Walking Dead and I imagined the white walkers to have smooth skin, completely white and with longish white hair- though I did like his spear/sword. I don't get why he just let Sam sit there after he saw him :/


I thought they looked great myself.  The White Walkers looked suitably supernatural (reminded me a bit of a very pale ringwraith actually!), and the zombie horse was a nice touch.  As for the wraiths, it's already been established that they are reanimated dead people; in other words, zombies.  So I see no problem with them going with the classic zombie look myself.I just hope that in the battle at the Fist, the zombie polar bear from the book makes an appearance!

I think the look the Walker gave Sam was a "you're too insignificant to bother with now, I'll get to you later" look.  
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People are going ape-shit over at ASOIAF about the House of the Undying. I wasn't that fussed about it for a number of reasons; I thought it would look too corny/cheap on a TV budget, would be rather obvious as to how future events were to unfold and I didn't really think it was that big a deal anyway; though other people obviously disagree with me here :)


I think the burned-out throne room at King's Landing was enough hint at future events really, and I reckon they handled the House of the Undying pretty well.  While the book version would have probably raised more questions, this one was enough to do what it set out to do, namely return Dany's dragons and draw a line under the Qarth adventure.  And after the variances from the book that had already been established, this served to bring us back on plot.

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Almost forgot about the Winterfell part. Maester Luwin's death was quite powerful/emotional, best bit of the episode for me (along with Arya and Jaqen). Just how I imagined it in the books- except with the Reeds instead. The guy who plays Theon did a bang up job, I felt sorrow/sympathy/hatred for the character all at the same time, whereas in the books I just hated the character.


Agreed, Luwin's farewell to Bran and Rickon was a very powerful piece.  And Theon is certainly causing some real contrasting emotions.  It was hard not to feel sorry for him during his conversation with Luwin, when he admitted that "I've already gone too far", as if he realised his mistake and this had trapped him into a corner from which there was only one likely exit.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 10:02:54 AM   
Chief


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Just started reading the books again and, after watching the series, things seem a bit clearer. There always was a lot of names and allegiances to follow and the show has helped focus that. It's making this read a bit better.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 10:59:59 AM   
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When I first read the House of the Undying scene in the book it wasn't anything particularly memorable for me. It's only going back to it later that you release it's full of hints of things to come. I was a bit disappointed with that particular scene it the season finale but it's interesting that some people think the Iron Throne / Throne Room was burnt to ash whereas I assumed it was "Snow"ing!

I thought the scenes with Dany and Drogo and also Shae and Tyrion were some of the most effective scenes they've done. Particularly the latter scene which was the first time I believed in the feelings between the two characters.

All in all a great season that suffered a bit due to the widening of the universe. I can't wait to see how people react when event more locations and characters get introduced. Hopefully they'll stick with it as Seasons 3 / 4 have the potential to be the best yet.

The things I'm looking forward to most in the next couple of seasons (Spoilers abound):




Red Wedding
Seeing Dorne
Arstan Whitebeard
Seeing "more" of Ygritte
Jon finally getting a bit of character development


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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 11:42:15 AM   
Chief


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The things I'm looking forward to most in the next couple of seasons (Spoilers abound):




Red Wedding Yes, but no.
Seeing Dorne
Arstan Whitebeard Yes, and strong Belwas
Seeing "more" of Ygritte
Jon finally getting a bit of character development



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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 12:31:55 PM   
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I actually think it will be harder to take watching the Red Wedding on TV as more time has been invested in the character than in the books. It will be interesting to see how the audience reacts as one of the main issues I keep hearing is that good characters getting shafted whereas the "bad guys" never get what's coming to them.

I think it's a fair criticism of the book series as well. I'm confident that Martin knows where he's going but the main players (Jon / Dany / Tyrion) need a few more "victories" in my opinion.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 4:41:43 PM   
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westeros.org particularly the wiki part is lethal. I went on quickly at work to check something out and have been in a black hole ever since! Every time I check one thing about another 10 links pique my interest and consequently can't stop reading stuff!

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 5:06:29 PM   
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Part of me thinks that it would be in keeping with the idea of the ''Game of Thrones'' that the ''bad guy'' wins, but then the other part of me hopes that the ''bad guys'' get a rather brutal comeuppance Whilst I could probably stomach a bad guy wins ending, although it would have to be very well written, I can imagine it would anger a lot of readers/viewers.

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westeros.org particularly the wiki part is lethal. I went on quickly at work to check something out and have been in a black hole ever since! Every time I check one thing about another 10 links pique my interest and consequently can't stop reading stuff!


For me it's the forums- particularly the crazy theory threads

Things I'm looking forward to:
- Wildling army (in particular Tormund Giantsbane, the Giants and just all the other peoples in general- I hope the costume design for them is better than the artic camo the current wildings are sporting)
- Joffrey's wedding
- Oberyn Martell and Tyrion's trial
- Brynden Tully (badass alert)
- Meera Reed (the person they cast has to have a good chemistry with Bran, not like the cringe-worthy Shae/Tyrion scenes)
- More direwolf action (though I imagine costs are an issue, but it was good to see them in the last episode)

Just as a general point; GRRM and D&D have to cut down on the time Dany spends in Slaver's Bay. Otherwise we'll get the same problem we had this season, but magnified by a factor of 10.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 5:19:39 PM   
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Just reading A Feast for Crows again; one of my issues with it is that it is where most of the Greyjoy/Ironmen set up and develpment takes place and it takes a lot of time. Surely some of this could be condensed like SWOTBM mentions with Slavers Bay.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 7/6/2012 5:54:46 PM   
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Just as a general point; GRRM and D&D have to cut down on the time Dany spends in Slaver's Bay.


Yes. They can start by killing off that blue-bearded cunt Daario.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 11/6/2012 12:41:18 PM   
Chief


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If anyone hasn't done, I can recommend a second read through after watching the TV series. Picking up so much that I missed on the first run, probably due to information overload.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 11/6/2012 1:07:39 PM   
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I'm actually planning on re-reading the books fairly soon as I'm sure I missed so much detail the first time around.



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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 11/6/2012 1:57:24 PM   
Chief


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I'm going to read the first two so I'm up to date with the show then leave the third until after S3.

Just little things, there was a bit of banter between Renly and Barristan that totally passed me by the first time but now that they are established in my mind it brought a smile (I never associated that they knew each other that well first time round).

It's also good going back and reading how green Jon & Robb are and knowing that they go on to become Commander of the Watch and King in the North respectively.

I'm also keeping an eye out for hints towards Renly and Loras being gay that I was oblivious to before.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 11/6/2012 2:28:12 PM   
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I'm also keeping an eye out for hints towards Renly and Loras being gay that I was oblivious to before.


There are a few comments made by Stannis in the 2nd book that kind of insinuate it, but no real concrete evidence as such.

I'd started re-reading the books after each season of the show too.  Trouble is, after finishing AGOT, I got so into them again that I just kept on reading and I'm now about to start my 2nd run through ADWD   I'd definitely recommend a re-read, if just to shine a different perspective on some of the events on-screen and to fill in some details that were lacking in the show.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 11/6/2012 2:36:32 PM   
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I'm also keeping an eye out for hints towards Renly and Loras being gay that I was oblivious to before.


There are a few comments made by Stannis in the 2nd book that kind of insinuate it, but no real concrete evidence as such.




There's a blinder from Jaime in the fourth book, when Loras has joined the kings guard - something about shoving something somewhere that even Renly couldn't have found.


I have no idea what I thought that meant during the first read-through (read the books before the show) I never cottoned on to the Renly & Loras thing until I watched the show

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 11/6/2012 2:56:09 PM   
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There is also a comment about Renly's porn collection and something about maergery's maidenhead being safe from him.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 11/6/2012 4:56:31 PM   
Chief


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Here's something I meant to post earlier, I thought about it for the TV thread but better not:

Doesn't Pod look a lot like Gendry?

Unless this is something totally obvious from the books that passed me by but are they both Robert's bastards? Or is it just a coincidence?

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 18/6/2012 7:30:30 AM   
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I'm just coming in here to say OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!

I'm currently reading A Storm of Swords and have read about the Tully/Frey wedding! Not Happy at all!

But then came the pigeon pie, oh that sweet, sweet pigeon pie!

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 18/6/2012 9:28:46 AM   
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I'm just coming in here to say OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!

I'm currently reading A Storm of Swords and have read about the Tully/Frey wedding! Not Happy at all!

But then came the pigeon pie, oh that sweet, sweet pigeon pie!


That's the second biggest shock since Ned's death and it's a belter. Everyone in here looking is forward to the TV series watcher's reactions.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 18/6/2012 9:15:15 PM   
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I'm re-reading A Feast for Crows and I'm likin git a lot more htis time around. I think in A Song of Ice and Fire fandom it's seen as a weak entry.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 19/6/2012 9:55:23 AM   
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I'm just coming in here to say OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!

I'm currently reading A Storm of Swords and have read about the Tully/Frey wedding! Not Happy at all!

But then came the pigeon pie, oh that sweet, sweet pigeon pie!


That's the second biggest shock since Ned's death and it's a belter. Everyone in here looking is forward to the TV series watcher's reactions.


Yep can't wait - I'm going to be like cartman lapping up the tears of those invested in the starks.

Mind you the story of ASOS after the weddings is probably my favourite section of the books. I'm getting mired down in the 4th book during my re-read with the Iron Islanders (I honestly don't give a fuck about them) and their shenanigans after the kingsmoot

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 19/6/2012 8:45:38 PM   
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TYWIN ASWELL? Get the fuck out of here.....

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 19/6/2012 11:51:56 PM   
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TYWIN ASWELL? Get the fuck out of here.....


You see that's where I think the TV series has set itself up to fail- it has made Tywin too ''nice'', instead of like he is in the book (i.e. cold and calculating). I was pleased he died and it made me think even more highly of Tyrion, finally being able to find the courage to do something he should have done a long time ago.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 20/6/2012 5:00:53 PM   
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TYWIN ASWELL? Get the fuck out of here.....


You see that's where I think the TV series has set itself up to fail- it has made Tywin too ''nice'', instead of like he is in the book (i.e. cold and calculating). I was pleased he died and it made me think even more highly of Tyrion, finally being able to find the courage to do something he should have done a long time ago.


You're probably right but it does come right at the end of the book so they still have two seasons to show what an utter bastard he is.

Just finished.....so Cat lives, Littlefinger murders her sister. Interesting stuff......just waiting on the next books arrival


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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 20/6/2012 7:50:05 PM   
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TYWIN ASWELL? Get the fuck out of here.....





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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 21/6/2012 9:17:10 AM   
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I'm re-reading A Feast for Crows and I'm likin git a lot more htis time around. I think in A Song of Ice and Fire fandom it's seen as a weak entry.


I recently re-read it myself and I have to agree.  I've never understood the allegations that it is the weak link in the chain.  Perhaps its because it focused on the Westeros posse, and Dany's exploits, after being so front and centre in ASOS, were pretty much forgotten about.  Perhaps after the huge scope and major plot development of ASOS people were disappointed by the more limited take in AFFC.

In my re-read, I noticed so many things that I missed in earlier reads, which cast a new light on the whole plot.  One in particular has got me thinking, all from a throwaway remark by Maester Aemon during one of his nonsensical ramblings.  WARNING - SPOILERS AHEAD FOR ALL BOOKS!!


While on the boat to Oldtown, Aemon's illness makes him believe he is a boy back in Dragonstone.  He mentions the three dragon eggs during one of these moments.  So (and forgive me if this is obvious to others!), just how long has the conspiracy to restore House Targaryen to the throne been running?  Originally I thought it was just an attempt to take the Lannisters out of the equation, but in reality it must have been a move against Robert Baratheon, who by all accounts did the Seven Kingdoms a favour by taking out Mad King Aerys.  But we know from almost the start that Ilyrio has the eggs (presumably given to him by Varys), which he gives to Dany as a wedding gift.  Presumably by this time he's realised that Viserys has too much of the Targaryen curse in him and has ruled him out as a potential King. But, if Dany is the proper ruler, why bring Aegon into play?

Also, was Robert simply a tool used by Varys to take Aerys out of the equation, and the subsequent events a necessity brought about by the Mountain's murder of most of the remaining heirs? Or was Robert's rebellion itself an unpredicted occurrence that necessitated the events that drove the entire ASOIAF plot?  Hmm....my head hurts!

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 21/6/2012 9:53:14 AM   
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For fuck's sake Sharky, cheers for that! I was just enjoying the books too.

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 21/6/2012 10:04:17 AM   
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  Got you thinking though, hasn't it?  Or maybe I just think about these things too much...

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 21/6/2012 10:36:33 AM   
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SPOILERS - ALL BOOKS

Depends if you think "Aegon" is really Rhaegar's son. I'm not convinced he is: I think he's a Blackfyre (the rebel Targaryen offshoot). He's supported by the Golden Company, sellswords founded by the Blackfyres. The GC never broke a contract, yet they have done exactly that to join Aegon. Why would they support the heir of the house their founders rebelled against?

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RE: A Song of Ice and Fire - 21/6/2012 10:41:49 AM   
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It get's worse! I'm nearly finished my 2nd read through of book 1 so I've not touched too much on the Targaryan's. Probably be another month or 6 before I've got my thoughts in order about the complete series again.

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