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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 3:05:43 PM   
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Then perhaps Gaff is the true Blade Runner?


The thing I loved about Gaff is that he was always there. It wasn't until the ending that I thought just exactly what he was up to. Like you say, maybe HE was the true Bladerunner as he knew who Deckard really was and let him hunt the others down. A great, great performance by Olmos and this shot -



When he throws him his gun and turns around in the rain, along with the way it's scored, is one of my all time favourite sci-fi shots.


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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 3:16:27 PM   
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Then perhaps Gaff is the true Blade Runner?


The thing I loved about Gaff is that he was always there. It wasn't until the ending that I thought just exactly what he was up to. Like you say, maybe HE was the true Bladerunner as he knew who Deckard really was and let him hunt the others down. A great, great performance by Olmos and this shot -



When he throws him his gun and turns around in the rain, along with the way it's scored, is one of my all time favourite sci-fi shots.



That's a great moment, I think Olmos is brilliant in the role, he makes a lasting impression regardless of little screen time. The film is just full of so many otherworldly, almost dream-like shots, Scott and Cronenweth really knew how to aestheticize metropol vues and rainy weather. And Vangelis synth-score is just superb.



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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 3:22:51 PM   
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The film is just full of so many otherworldly, almost dream-like shots, Scott and Cronenweth really knew how to aestheticize metropol vues and rainy weather. And Vangelis synth-score is just superb.




I know what you mean. I've never been able to really say what it is that makes the shots and look of Bladerunner so special, but you and me both know what it is (even if I can't exactly put it into words?!). There's just something about it, and that pic shows it perfectly. The huge ads always seemed quite peaceful to me, and combined with the rainfall and score it's really serene (even if it's a bustling city below).

Still to this day hasn't aged.

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 3:44:04 PM   
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The film is just full of so many otherworldly, almost dream-like shots, Scott and Cronenweth really knew how to aestheticize metropol vues and rainy weather. And Vangelis synth-score is just superb.




I know what you mean. I've never been able to really say what it is that makes the shots and look of Bladerunner so special, but you and me both know what it is (even if I can't exactly put it into words?!). There's just something about it, and that pic shows it perfectly. The huge ads always seemed quite peaceful to me, and combined with the rainfall and score it's really serene (even if it's a bustling city below).

Still to this day hasn't aged.


Very true my friend, the film has a timeless quality that remains forever appealing, I find myself completely emerged in it every time I watch it. I agree with you that many of the shots have an almost soothing quality, Scott's amalgam of cyberpunk and noir is immensely attractive to look at.

I fear we have turned this into Pablo & Kaz's Blade Runner Appreciation Thread my friend.

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 3:51:59 PM   
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I fear we have turned this into Pablo & Kaz's Blade Runner Appreciation Thread my friend.


Was thinking that myself!

To get back on topic for everyone, so, er, Deckard eh? Replicant or what?


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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 4:26:48 PM   
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I actually found Vangelis' score irritating and distracting. It fitted with the film, but I just didn't like it.

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 5:16:44 PM   
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I actually found Vangelis' score irritating and distracting. It fitted with the film, but I just didn't like it.


I think the score is one of the movies main assets, it's futuristic without being corny and it helps cement the films 'timeless' factor.

It's interesting how Harrison Ford so closely echoes his character in denying himself to be a replicant. Ford sees the film as a run of the mill science fiction film (he wanted more detective scenes etc) whereas Ridley Scott knew that he wanted something bigger.


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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 6:16:37 PM   
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if i could live in one movies universe itd be blade runners,wearing trenchcoats,easting noodles in chinese bars on the sides of street with steam rising out of the ground and its pissing rain all the time,glorious

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 7:32:56 PM   
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I think the score is one of the movies main assets, it's futuristic without being corny and it helps cement the films 'timeless' factor.



I agree completely with this, the synth-score is very much a part of the films appeal, much of Vangelis' music is dated and a bit hokey, but his score for Blade Runner does indeed feel timeless.

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 8:47:37 PM   
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I agree on the soundtrack. It's absolutely stunning. It sends shivers down my spine and works perfectly with one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen.

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 9:19:10 PM   
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In a kind of tenous link to Battlestar Galactica 2003 (Edward James Olmos notwithstanding!) they said that when making the new BSG Series they wanted their score to be the polar opposite of Star Trek themes, i.e. big, lush orchestral, and tone it down and make it futureistic, basically in their words 'to do to their scorewhat Ridley Scott and Vangeis had done in comparison to Star Wars'.

So the score is still influencial today. I really love it.


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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 9:49:11 PM   
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As for other clues concerning Deckard, there's a scene where his eyes glow in a similar fashion to the replicants


Exactly.  It still amazes me that people still question his replicant status, when it's clearly shown he is.


I don't remember that scene, and I'm particularly observant.

But the unicorn stuff is pretty obvious if you've been paying attention.  An interesting side note: Gaff's line "It's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does?" is another clue, especially when he says it to Deckard.  I think the reason that Harrison doesn't want to admit that Deckard is a replicant is that that confirms him as the villain (retiring replicants left and right) in the light of Roy's more "justified" killings.  Deckard does it out of habit, Roy does it out of necessity.   That makes Roy more sympathetic to me at least.

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 10:18:56 PM   
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I remember watching Blade Runner as a kid, not appreciating the beauty of it at the time. I bought it on DVD only last week and how glad am I that I did. Visually brilliant for its time and I must say this is one of Harrison Ford's best performances.

Well done Ridley Scott.

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RE: Blade Runner - 28/5/2007 10:33:36 PM   
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I don't remember that scene, and I'm particularly observant.



Not observant enough it would seem

It's in Deckards appartment when he is talking to Rachel. He is in the background of the shot out of focus and his eyes are reflecting yellow (like a dogs eyes do in the light) the same as Rachels and Roy Batty's do in other parts of the movie.



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RE: Blade Runner - 29/5/2007 7:39:19 PM   
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I think we can safely agree that this is Favourite Films material now...

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RE: Blade Runner - 30/5/2007 4:24:33 AM   
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I thought the film was pretty shoddy when i first saw it i was like wtf?  that was say... 7 years ago, and i recently got my hands on the directors edition and boy did i enjoy it, even though the effects arnt as good as some of the stuff now, i just find them amazing in a way it dosnt distract me, ( eg some of the scenes in the phantom menace )

But what im surprised about is decaord (sorry for spelling donno how to spell his name) being a replicant, i wanna deny he is because in a way that makes him a nut job, at least the other guys were killing to survie this guy kills his own for nothing, but i could accept him being a replicant cause i just found it weird that a human would go with a replicant or w.e ( ohhh and skin jobs.... love how BSG use that in the newer seris :D)


Overall a very fun experience, stylish, gritty . and gripping, they dont mek em how they used to :D

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RE: Blade Runner - 30/5/2007 9:22:10 PM   
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Is there any news on the DVD? Are the rumours that it will contain some kind of super-new-cut true?

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RE: Blade Runner - 30/5/2007 9:28:47 PM   
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Is there any news on the DVD? Are the rumours that it will contain some kind of super-new-cut true?


yes a new cut will feature on the dvd along with the original cut and directors cut of his movie. Perhaps the most anticipated dvd at the moment.


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RE: Blade Runner - 30/5/2007 9:38:42 PM   
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Is there any news on the DVD? Are the rumours that it will contain some kind of super-new-cut true?


yes a new cut will feature on the dvd along with the original cut and directors cut of his movie. Perhaps the most anticipated dvd at the moment.



Yeah, that and The Monster Squad

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RE: Blade Runner - 2/6/2007 1:39:46 AM   
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you mean this set,awesome isnt it


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RE: Blade Runner - 11/7/2007 10:26:37 AM   
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I watched blade runner for the first time in years and a couple of things struck me. In the scene where bryant and deckard are discussing the case and looking at the video files of the replicants why does bryant talk to deckard like he has never dealt with replicants before? Or is it because maybe deckard hasnt dealt with Nexus 6 before? Also since they have all the replicants identified why wasnt holden more careful when he was dealing with Leon? Or is that how they identified him? If so, how did they identify the rest of them?

In terms of deckards eyes glowing gold, I thought this was just a reflection of the light that keeps shining in from outside his apartment. I always preferred the 'he's a replicant' theory more and I love the way you can argue both sides of the coin from watching the film. 

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RE: Blade Runner - 26/7/2007 4:00:44 PM   
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I purchsed this a couple of months ago and have had 2 viewings so far. Very intriguing stuff. The article in last month's Empire definitely provided me with more food for thought. I liked the interview with Rutger Hauer in particular. I don't feel I've seen the film enough times to discuss it at any great length but I can tell it's a film that I will continually come back to and discover something new about. Looking forward to the final cut.

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RE: Blade Runner - 27/7/2007 4:24:10 AM   
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I don't feel I've seen the film enough times to discuss it at any great length


You've never seen this film enough, mate. It's been my favourite since I first saw it in '84 on video - even with the voiceover  - and I estimate that I've watched it over 200 times but I still find something new.
The best viewing was when the Director's Cut got a brief but oh-so-rewarding theatrical release and I was able to see it on the big screen. It was a Tuesday afternoon and I was the only person in the screening, which is just as well because I could not wipe the huge, idiotic grin from my face, the beauty of the cityscapes make you want to cry.

Back on topic, Deckard IS a replicant. If the director says he is, then he is and I don't understand why people still debate it. I think that Scott plays up the ambiguity because of the debate, I don't believe it was his intention to mystify it.

What bothers me is what happened to Scott after Blade Runner and Alien. Sure, he's made some good films (Matchstick Men, Gladiator) but he's got absolutely nowhere near those two since.

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RE: Blade Runner - 31/7/2007 8:35:13 PM   
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I loved Blade Runner: Director's Cut. Great film. What pisses me off is why they made the strings so visible in that scene. Really annoyed me.

And Deckard is a replicant. The fact that Gaff left him a unicorn at the end only means that he knows about Deckard's dream, so it must have been implanted.

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RE: Blade Runner - 31/7/2007 9:45:01 PM   
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Just finished watched this again and it was my most enjoyable viewing so far. Roy's final scene on the roof seemed much  more poignant than before. The recent articles in Empire and discussions here on the forum have definitely helped me appreciate the different themes and aspects of the film.

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RE: Blade Runner - 1/8/2007 8:17:40 AM   
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How did I miss this thread?

The Deckard: replicant or not? argument hinges on which version you watch. In the Theatrical Cut it appears he is not. In the Director's Cut, he is. Whichever way makes you happiest. Personally, I like that he is. Just because he isn;t human, doesn't mean we can't identify with him. And indeed, it makes his character sadder. Also, that very question of when something is considered human is raised with Deckard himself.

I first watched Blade Runner as the theatrical cut, and loved it. Then I watched the Director's Cut and fell in love with it. It's such an incredibly layered film - although I've read the Sammon book, I'd forgotten about the animal connection. It harks back to the original Dick novel, where animals are a prized resource, and many resort to owning electric versions - hence the electric sheep of the title. Arguably, the owl is connected with Rachel, which means that only the replicants have associated animals...

In a way, Blade Runner is like the multi-layered, complex companion to the simpler, but no less brilliant, Alien, When I say simple, I don't mean in a pejorative sense, but in a purer way. The story is simply told, although the environment is complex. They both rank highly, and the more I watch Alien, the more it creeps up the list. Blade Runner is still number 1 tho.




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RE: Blade Runner - 5/8/2007 10:05:38 PM   
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Blade Runner really confused me as well I have one question whos apartment is it that Ford finds that snake scale?

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RE: Blade Runner - 6/8/2007 6:45:15 PM   
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If I remember rightly, it's one of Leon's photos that Deckard finds. So, chances are it's Leon's apartment - which makes sense, as the replicants know each other.

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RE: Blade Runner - 6/8/2007 9:58:11 PM   
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I have always felt it intresting how every replicant is given an animal, but Deckard is given a unicorn as his. While it is an animal, it is one of myth. The others have all existed in reality.

No idea what this means in the grand debate about Deckard but I think it must have been selected for a purpose beyond the is he/isn't he debate.  

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RE: Blade Runner - 13/8/2007 5:12:22 PM   
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Then perhaps Gaff is the true Blade Runner?


The thing I loved about Gaff is that he was always there. It wasn't until the ending that I thought just exactly what he was up to. Like you say, maybe HE was the true Bladerunner as he knew who Deckard really was and let him hunt the others down. A great, great performance by Olmos and this shot -



When he throws him his gun and turns around in the rain, along with the way it's scored, is one of my all time favourite sci-fi shots.



I subscribe to that idea. I reckon Gaff captured Deckard and altered his memory to think that he's the Bladerunner, that way Gaff doesnt really put himself in much danger and will take the credit for any replicants that Deckard retires. I'd certainly do that if I was a Bladerunner.

On another note (((((((((((SPOILER))))))))) when and how does Batty klilled JF Sebastian, Im drawing a complete blank! I know its right after he kills Tyrell.

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