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Nothing about the additional 20 minutes! - 30/10/2012 1:27:50 PM   
philropson

 

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 As The longer US print is being released for the first time in UK cinemas I would have expected some review of this (is it better, worse, does it add anything or help explain?). Nothing, all we get is a review of The Shining as we all know it.

Film is good (although not quite a masterpiece), this review is pretty pointless and those extra 20 minutes are still a mystery.

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A Masterpiece - 30/10/2012 11:52:23 PM   
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Those carping about the lack of faithfulness to Stephen King's book are unfortunately going over old ground. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. You'll always have King's book. Kubrick's personal vision in the film adaptation doesn't detract from it in the slightest. What you do get with the film of "The Shining" is the vision of a singular film maker - a director who always took source material and twisted it to suit his own interests and world view. In the case of "The Shining" he takes King's reasonably well-written supernatural haunted hotel horror and turns it, for his own purposes, into an extremely black comedy about the American nuclear family. To bemoan the loss of animated hedgerow animals or Halloran as the hero is to misunderstand what the film of "The Shining" is all about. Kubrick wants to tell you about the mundane nature of family life in a capitalist, TV-obsessed consumer culture, about the danger of repressed impulses. His version of "The Shining" is ultimately a satire - albeit one with creepy ghost children and withered bathroom hags. To complain that it differs from King's novel is to ignore the many impressive things Kubrick achieves with "The Shining". If you take it as a Kubrick film, rather than a King adaptation, its qualities are more apparent. Visually stunning, powered by Jack Nicholson's manic central performance, genuinely scary, and atmospherically scored, "The Shining" is one of cinema's enduring horrors.

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- 1/11/2012 11:41:00 AM   
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Saw this last night (extended cut of 24 minutes).. have to say that with the additional scenes added it was as dull as fook. The original cut is so much better as this version just drags big time.

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RE: EMPIRE ESSAY: The Shining - 2/11/2012 10:58:37 AM   
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Both the film and book are great. King is a great writer and I've enjoyed every book of his I've read. I can understand why he'd feel the way he does about the film. Kubrick rejected his script, instead choosing to write it himself along with a writing partner (Diane Thompson was it?). Not only that but Kubrick put a little joke in the film at King's expense in the form of the wrecked red car.

King's assertion that Kubrick's film has no soul is totally wrong. His opinion is borne out of his experience of rejection and the anger he feels as a result. It's not an objective opinion so it's amusing to see people mindlessly repeat his criticisms. The film obviously has great depth. Personally I find it to be deeper and more rewarding than the book. The film has mystery while King is too often literal. Kubrick doesn't explain things that the audience should be able to figure out for themselves, or where an explanation might detract from the experience.

It's fairly clear to me that in this case, the film is superior to the book. It's my opinion that while on the surface it may seem that Kubrick has ripped up King's story, if you consider the things that are suggested in the film rather than depicted outright, it's actually quite faithful.

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RE: EMPIRE ESSAY: The Shining - 2/11/2012 4:13:14 PM   
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Really looking forward to seeing this at the cinema in 3 weeks time, followed by Room 237 a week after.
Heard some good reviews of Room 237 so far, The Shining is my third favourite horror film (after TCM and The Thing) and I imagine it will really benefit from a big screen showing. Can't wait.

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US CUT - 3/11/2012 2:13:06 PM   
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Saw the US cut at my local cinema on Halloween and while it had some nice extra character beats I can see why Kubrick chopped the scenes as they really add nothing to the drama and at times do slow the movie down badly.
Fortunately both versions are available on blu ray (though you will need to import the US disc if you want the longer cut, it is region free) so fans can pick and choose which one to watch.
I own both but prefer the shorter european version as I find it perfectly paced.

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RE: US CUT - 27/11/2012 12:12:03 PM   
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So the extended cut added nothing but took away loads.
Too much explained too early, which spoilt some surprises (Room 237, the maze, the Jack-has-given-up-drinking, the added information in the interview, the hospital scene with Danny and the awful skeletons in the lobby (which I think is in the US edition anyway))

Still a superb film though, brilliant on the cinema, Nicholson has never been nuttier (causing a few of the, ahem, "young student types" in the cinema to actually laugh ) the score is quite resonating and eerie throughout, there is a some splendid additonal scenes at the beginning of Jack driving to the interview (the cinematography is amazing) but all in all, stick to the Directors' Cut, it was obvious he knew what he was doing the first time.

If you haven't seen The Shining at all, I'd avoid this cut for fear of ruining a masterpiece.

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RE: The Shining - 27/11/2012 1:31:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: krisjcummins

Superior to King's book itself, this Kubrick horror film frightens, disturbs and provokes thought in the viewer.


No it isn't, that doesn't make any sense. They're two very different beasts. I'm a huge fan of King but it's not my favourite of his books. And even though it isn't really the book Kubrick's film does fascinate and disturb me, but on a seperate and less cerebral level than the novel.

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ORIGINAL: jonson

So the extended cut added nothing but took away loads.
Too much explained too early, which spoilt some surprises (Room 237, the maze, the Jack-has-given-up-drinking, the added information in the interview, the hospital scene with Danny and the awful skeletons in the lobby (which I think is in the US edition anyway))



Have to agree with jonson. I saw the extended cut a few years back but all I really remember is a very stilted conversation between Wendy and a doctor near the beginning which just reeked of crow-barred exposition. Stick to the original UK cut, it has much more mystique.



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RE: EMPIRE ESSAY: The Shining - 28/11/2012 12:06:35 AM   
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I wish I could watch The Shining for ever, and ever, and ever................

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RE: EMPIRE ESSAY: The Shining - 28/11/2012 8:25:57 AM   
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 You've always been watching the Shining.

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RE: EMPIRE ESSAY: The Shining - 3/12/2012 2:46:13 AM   
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 This is one of those films whose extended cuts are worse. I could not stop remembering the extended cut of Watchmen. It sucked big time and just plain wasted time.

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The most hypnotically chilling movie I've ever seen - 6/2/2013 6:06:26 PM   
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Kubrick made quite a few masterpieces, but this is my personal favourite. Truly stunning cinema.

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