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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End - 23/5/2007 12:17:01 PM   
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In response to Helen O Hara I have to say that personally I think readers at times feel confused by Empire and the way they get behind these movies, buzzing them and pushing them and then when its released its like "Oh it was all right nothing special" which is fair enough, rather u guys be honest. However my point is like with the Matrix seuqels and DMC I feel the mag should have just gave AWE a wide breath, on tossed GRindhouse on the cover or another more rewarding film. Is it to do with market that Pirates went up, so you can sell more copies? As for understanding the plot, I'll rise to that challange and post each plot thread after i see it. Just for the laugh like, not to be vendictive, i mean if seriously is too confuseing fair enough but I would not write kids understanding these things better than critics off. haha. I mean how could you not get the plot? I think doctorlorinbats may have a valid point...

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End - 23/5/2007 12:52:19 PM   
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Oh for the love of, I am so sick and tired of Empire and every bleedin' film critic who say they can't get the plot. If kids under the age of ten can, why can't they?


There is nothing to get...10 year olds are impressed with fart jokes...so I'll hardly trust their opinion over professional critics.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End - 23/5/2007 12:58:42 PM   
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Bozz, we cover these films because people are interested in them and excited about them before release. It's not hype; it's coverage, and there is a difference (but if you want to discuss that, for god's sake do it in a different thread in the Empire Magazine forum). As for Grindhouse, that might well have been in cover contention but since it was moved back / not set to be released at all, it would have been an odd choice to keep it on the cover.

And I'm not writing off kids' understanding; I'm saying that you can't possibly assert that kids will understand it when very few of them have seen it and (to the best of my knowledge) haven't explained it to doc. When / if there's evidence that they do, I'd be thrilled to hear it. And I'm not asserting that you can't figure it out at all, if you concentrate and take notes; I'm saying that it's far from clear and that major plot points are garbled or left unexplained. I'm sure you'll be able to follow the gist, but if you can honestly tell me, on one viewing with popcorn rather than pad or pen, what everyone was trying to do throughout, I'll be impressed.

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End - 23/5/2007 1:17:19 PM   
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a little disappointed that they didn't make a great film to finish with, but they were running outta ideas i guess, just like every other film series excluding LOTRS

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pirates 3 - 23/5/2007 1:40:53 PM   
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I'm seeing at worlds end tonight and at the mo i'm optimistic. Although most times I AGREE with empires verdicts, for Dead mans Chest i thought they were a little harsh. The film may have to many story arcs, but it did add to the charcater development of some characters. In curse of the black pearl Capn Jack was the lovable rogue who although was a badass at times, only wanted to do the right thing. In the sequel His character could never be trusted, which relays back to the first film by saying i'm not as nice as you think. All in all i looking forward to the third although enough teaser trailer spoiling nonscence has been released!!

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- 23/5/2007 3:14:11 PM   
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A little TO much info on the review Empire. I cant help wishing I never read it.

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- 23/5/2007 3:14:18 PM   
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A little TO much info on the review Empire. I cant help wishing I never read it.

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10 year old kids - 23/5/2007 4:49:13 PM   
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Pirates is twisty to the point of being a great big tangly tangle so watch it before declaring that Helen is wrong. My brain still hurts and I won't see 10 again anytime soon. And dreamdragon, reviews are likely to touch on things that happen in the film, what with it being a review and all :D

As to Empire getting behind movies and pushing them, only to give them bad reviews well: I'd call that covering films people are interested in, followed up with honesty, wouldn't you? It's a very fair review for what is a lacklustre film, albeit mercifully not as smug as Dead Man's Chest.

Eeeeeeurgh.

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Amazingly awful - 23/5/2007 5:18:58 PM   
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A true shambles of a movie. I've never been so bored watching a movie as I was during this last night! I kept awake by thinking about cleaning my apartment and groceries! It was a packed house and not one person laughed at the 'funny' moments. A dire, dire mess of a film. A plot so convoluted and messy that I couldn't even begin to understand why and what was going on!! Special effects were nice though (but the maelstrom sequence was so diabolically boring)

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Amazingly awful - 23/5/2007 5:22:31 PM   
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A true shambles of a movie. I've never been so bored watching a movie as I was during this last night! I kept awake by thinking about cleaning my apartment and groceries! It was a packed house and not one person laughed at the 'funny' moments. A dire, dire mess of a film. A plot so convoluted and messy that I couldn't even begin to understand why and what was going on!! Special effects were nice though (but the maelstrom sequence was so diabolically boring)

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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End - 23/5/2007 7:45:14 PM   
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Last night in cinema:

Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World`s End
The last installment in the Pirates trilogy promised to be bigger and more spectacular than the 2 previous parts. Those promises are kept, and more than that. Pirates 3 is THE blockbuster of this summer. But it`s not without flaws.
With the first shot of the film you get pushed directly in the direction that the movie`s going. This part is gonna get darker and scarier than the two other movies. This is scene is beautiful and it gets you right into the right atmosphere.
From there, the speed goes up and before you know it, the 2 hours and 40 minutes are over. Here and there, there are some moments where the speed goes down and the quality of the movie goes down with it.
At those moments it`s more obvious than ever: this trilogy doesn`t need drama and isn`t made for it either. More than ever it benefits from the enormous action sequences.
These look really, really good. The effects are fantastic. The acting is great, like before and has again a lot of humour. Johnny Depp does his known Jack Sparrow thing, even though you get a feeling that he`s doing it "on the automatic pilot".
Nonetheless, there are some downsides to it. Surprisingly enough it are the same point that made Dead Man`s Chest into an almost great movie. Again there are too many characters and story lines wich leads to the fact that none of them (or at least most of them) are worked out enough. That makes it feels rushed. The story lines of Tia Dalma and Davy Jones are in my opinion not needed at all and almost take the movie down. In these story lines are the most of the before named scenes in wich the movie loses its speed and quality.
Luckily enough, that doesn`t do too much harm to the movie, wich is for the biggest credit to the nothing short of brilliant last part of the movie. Also the sublime soundtrack can`t be left unnamed.
All in all, Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World`s End is the ultimate summer blockbuster and does everything and way more than you expect from a movie like this.
Sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.

8,5/10

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Keep your hat on - 23/5/2007 11:25:39 PM   
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Hello? Yes its flawed, with too many double-crosses and characters, but hey, in the end it is a lot of fun and is a worthy ending to the saga. The first hour does go all over the place, Dead Man's Chest style, but as in the first sequel, all sets in once the plot culminates into one long fantastic set- piece. Plus, having Barbossa back is a delight, and the laugh-factor is definately high next to the Chest. Still inventive, still exciting, they have created a trilogy that remains one of the freshest slices of Hollywood this decade.

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RE: Keep your hat on - 23/5/2007 11:33:49 PM   
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Hope to go and see this on friday and after reading godfathers and jujubeans reviews am looking forward to it even more. Am really pleased barbossa is back and cant wait to see keith richards.

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RE: Keep your hat on - 24/5/2007 3:34:38 AM   
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ok i've seen the movie twice now, once at 7.00 yesterday evening, then again at twelve midnight. First time round i found it to be incredibly mediocre and not really that much fun at all. Second time round i enjoyed it a little more but had still pretty much the same feelings. I found Sparrow to be a lot more bearable than he was in Dead Man's Chest, althougth i feel i prefer that film to this one. My main problem is the complete absence of action. There's like two action scenes in the whole film! The Singapore bit at the beginning then two hours later the sea storm battle. This is unacceptable! If they spent less time toing and froing going back and forth for some convoluted reasons and less time double crossing each other, there might be room for a few more 'fun' action scenes, i think this is why Dead Man's Chest is a better film, it's certainly a lot more fun and colourful than AWE. I am also frustrated that the makers decided to focus so much time on easily the worst/ weakest characters to grace a mainstream blockbuster franchise, Turner and Swann. Without wanting to jump on any 'kiera and Orlando are shit' bandwagons, they are easily the poorest aspect of the whole saga. The background characters are so much more interesting, it's dismaying that so much screen time is spent with the bland pair. On a positive note, the CG is absolutely amazing, nigh on flawless, apart from one horrendous piece of green screen at the end (you know the bit with Turner and his father just after the final battle on the helm of the dutchman, urgh, sort it out). Out of the three films i easily prefer Dead Man's Chest as i  never cared for the first,. Like the Spiderman movies, they wanted to go out with a bang, and they kinda missed the mark. I think Spidey 3 and At World's End are films of equal quality, with maybe AWE being just slightly better, but overall, very average! How can so much talent and money be spent to achieve such a middle of the road, medicore result?? Ah well, it'll still make bucket loads of cash, fortunately i'm not adding to that pile as free screenings are a godsend. Bring on Transformers!!!!!!!!

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RE: Keep your hat on - 24/5/2007 3:38:24 AM   
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oh and another thing, it strikes me as incredibly similar and almost an unconscious rehash that the first hour or so of both Dead Man's Chest and At World's End are spent rescuing Jack Sparrow before we can get on with the main thrust of the movie. In DMC we had the elongated and unecessary cannibal village segment and in AWE we have the elongated and unecessary afterlife/ davey jones' locker segment. While watching the latter i was thinking 'hey this is exactly like the first part of the second movie with the lead characters doing exactly the same thing to rescue exactly the same character, hmmm lazy!!! thoughts?

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RE: Keep your hat on - 24/5/2007 12:43:22 PM   
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Final parts of a trilogy are like the ugly weirdos who often turn up on the X Factor.

They go on about how all their friends have told them that they can sing and that they're going to be the best selling star in the world. You sit there watching, hoping just once that you're going to be really surprised. That it's going to turn out that they can really sing and that Simon Cowells going to have that fucking smug smirk wiped off his face.

But they never do, they always open their weird mouth and croak or something and you realise it's all been a big pisstake all along and they never had anything going for them in the first place.

Take the Matrix you prayed that the second act struggled purely beacuse it had to hold up the other two and that all the questions would be answered satisfactorily by a blisetring third act that tied together all the best bits of the first two with a satisfactory conclusion. What did you get a turd on a string.

Haven't seen pirates three yet but I can feel the thread and smell the shit.





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RE: Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End - 24/5/2007 1:55:47 PM   
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I have just seen Pirates 3, so what did I think of it? Well, not much.
I was a fan of the first pirates movie which introduced us to the loveable Jack Sparrow and the light horror mythologies of the sea. Than DMC was released and was a big spiralling mess, plotline after plotline after plotline after plotline with no real sense of an overall story arc and each plotline was hardly utilised properly. By this time the filmakers had already been wise to the stardom of Jack Sparrow therefore annoyingly pushed him into the screen and into pointless situations just to get some slapstick humour.

Well AWE is a improvement on its predecessor but it hardly reaches the accidental genius of the first movie, hollywood seems to have gone into a dilema where 'more = better' so movies seem to have been tacked on with multiple storylines which is always welcomed as long as all the storylines serve the overall narrative of the movie. AWE has multiple storylines which all seem half-arsed, just like a student tacks on several pointless paragraphs onto their dissertation just so it gets to 15,000 words and looks complex the makers of AWE seem to have tacked on every sea shanty and myth and every single idea they had and put it onto screen without realising that it actually hurts the narrative of the movie.

The movie than adds further characters into the movie who serve no purpose to the whole story one particular character is added only to be killed off quickly. Will Turner is still as pointless and bland as ever, Elizabeth fairs much better and is actually given something to do other than trout pout. Jack Sparrow's magic on me has worn off..he is now just irritating and when there is a scene with multiple Jack's (including minture sized versions) it truly is hell for me. Bill Nighy as Davy Jones is great but he is given nothing to do and is left with a pointless end which ties into Tia who is also left with a end so ilogical and stupid that many people were mouthin 'What the f**k' in bemusement and irritance. The film is stolen by Barbossa who actually feels like a pirate and I would have loved to see more of him.

The special effects are amazing, the last sequence which takes place in a maelstorm is brilliant. The visuals are spectacular and the action is quick and fast. But the overall movie is just a pointless cash and grab by Brukheimer and Disney...everything feels like it was made on the spot (supposedly they started filming without finsihing the script..the end was not scripted until very late filming).
The fun is still there and its visually impressive...but everything else is so average that its hard to be impressed.

This movie will still make $200 billion on opening weekend but it wont be remembered by this winter. 2.5/5

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Good fun not all it could have been - 24/5/2007 2:48:40 PM   
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Overall I enjoyed, but there is a lot wrong with it.

SPOILERS AHOY!


Its way too long with far too many uneccessary characters. I've no problems with lengthy films but this didn't need to be as long, and a far more streamlined script would have worked wonders: Keith Richards cameo for example serves no purpose whatsoever.
Certain scenes and sequences seemed very uneven and the tone was shifting all over the time from serious to childish, the balance of the original was sorely missing.
The film looks fantastic but I couldn't help but feel that an opportunity was wasted when rescuing Jack from Davy Jones Locker. They just kind of arrive "oh there he is" and get him out. Surely this was an opportunity for a massive bit of creativity, when it seems they just took the minimalistic approach which was pretty dull to look at. Not sure I cared for the multiple Jacks either.
I have also come to the conclusion that Miss Knightley, pretty as she is, cannot really act, and comes across as quite annoying, Orlando Bloom is also very weak.
This sounds like I hated the movie, not at all, once it gets going and is in full swing its highly entertaining, I just can't help but feel it could have been so much better. 3/5

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Jack is back! - 24/5/2007 3:27:40 PM   
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I really loved the first 2 POTC films and so i was really looking forward to At World's End (love the title). I have very mixed feelings and so i will update this review when i see it a second time. The plot is even bigger than Dead Mans Chest and at some points really is too difficult to follow although i admire the boldness of the writers. Johnny Depp as always is on top form in this one, especially opposite Rush's Barbossa. Bill Nighy is excellent as Davy Jones and even brings some more substance to the character. However, for me, the show was stolen by an outstanding performance by Kiera Knightley who has, arguably, the biggest role in the film and definitely shows her capabilities.
I think the one thing that really weakens AWE is the space between action sequences. Although the sequences are amazing when they are there, there is simply too few of them especially with a film of this length. However on the whole I say another great film leaving the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy going out on an incredible high, relieving, note. Look forward to the DVD release.

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RE: Jack is back! - 24/5/2007 4:18:33 PM   
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I say see it yourself and make up your own mind - after all a review is only one person's opinion

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RE: Jack is back! - 24/5/2007 4:35:12 PM   
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I reckon 3 stars is about right. It's slightly better than Dead Man's Chest, but the mid-section is pretty dull, but the climax more than makes up for it, and hey, it's much better than Spider-Man 3, and, judging from Empire's new issue, Shrek 3. And stay for the after the credits scene, it may be a little sentimental, but it works.

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RE: Jack is back! - 24/5/2007 4:47:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RLHaylor
Kiera Knightley who has, arguably, the biggest role in the film



That is nearly enough to put me off watching this film

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RE: Jack is back! - 24/5/2007 5:02:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jackassfan

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ORIGINAL: RLHaylor
Kiera Knightley who has, arguably, the biggest role in the film



That is nearly enough to put me off watching this film


LOL. She is alright in the movie...she has the role which has the most character development. Basically everyone stays the same while she changes for the better.

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RE: Jack is back! - 24/5/2007 5:53:14 PM   
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Shit i missed the after credits scene - damn!

i was disappointed with the film, tbh i wasnt expecting much - DMC was not very good, but AWE is a step up, the last ship fiht is actually amazing. but thats it!

theres so much going on, even more so thn in spidy 3 (which i think is better than this) - and thers too much back stabbing, for god sake - keep the lot understandable, linear if you must, not bloody super complex, kids have to understand it aswell as older people.

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RE: Jack is back! - 24/5/2007 6:28:59 PM   
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It was overlong and overly complicated, neither of which bother me, but it did have some huge, huge flaws.


On the whole though, I was wonderfully, gloriously entertained. It was great fun, just like the first two instalments.


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Smile and enjoy it! - 24/5/2007 7:42:48 PM   
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I agree with Empire in some respects - there are beautiful shots, the plot can get a wee bit confusing and pirates overall are perhaps presented as a little too heroic. But films aren't about being accurate, are they? And I thought it was great fun. It's allowed to be that bit darker, isn't it? And OF COURSE everyone betrays everyone else, they're PIRATES! Duh...

But I genuinely loved it. I understand the sentiment that, like Spiderman 3, it could have been streamlined and it could have been shorter. But it really didn't feel that long and everyone in the world would cut this bit, add this, lose that. It was also definitely better than Spiderman 3.

And as for the "unnecessary" Keith Richards cameo - that was genius! It allowed us to see where Johnny and Jack's weirdness came from! And, considering Empire reports he was drunk all 3 days on set, bloody spectacular!

So I loved it. Perhaps it isn't the easiest thing to follow all the time, maybe they're weren't enough jokes in it for your personaI taste. But if you ask me it was pretty darn good considering the idea for it came from a rollercoaster ride. And althoughI didn't stay for the post-credits bit I really hope they don't do the whole Police Academy 10 (or whatever ridiculous number it got up to) thing with this...

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Ok so what just happened? - 24/5/2007 7:47:42 PM   
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going in to this film desperate to think it was awesome. I even avoided Empires review until after i'd seen it just in case they said it wasn't good(or words to that effect!) So anyway there are on and off points. I can't say too much but the giant woman is comical basically and i thought the good johnny bad johnny was a bit of a cliche stolen from a tom and jerry cartoon. But saying that the end is gasp provoking and the visual is stunning. I'd of liked to give it 4 stars but i can't help but feel it doesnt deserve them. 3 stars it is. No more. No less

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Absolutley stunning! - 24/5/2007 7:51:46 PM   
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I just saw this wonderful movie today with my 2 kids and we all had a ball, dare we say that this is the best of the bunch - and the most fun.
The film is long but we never felt it, and with 2 youngish children that's impressive. The plot is actually very clever and all the betrayles are superb, EMPIRE - please remember they are PIrates and betrayal and treachery is part of their folklore.
The real gem here is Captain Barbossa who really steals the show, particularly the wedding scene.
Please don't be put off by Empire's weak review this is great entertainment and it is sad to see the trilogy come to an end

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Absolutley stunning! - 24/5/2007 7:51:59 PM   
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I just saw this wonderful movie today with my 2 kids and we all had a ball, dare we say that this is the best of the bunch - and the most fun.
The film is long but we never felt it, and with 2 youngish children that's impressive. The plot is actually very clever and all the betrayles are superb, EMPIRE - please remember they are PIrates and betrayal and treachery is part of their folklore.
The real gem here is Captain Barbossa who really steals the show, particularly the wedding scene.
Please don't be put off by Empire's weak review this is great entertainment and it is sad to see the trilogy come to an end

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RE: Absolutley stunning! - 24/5/2007 8:43:35 PM   
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***** CONTAINS MODERATE SPOILERS*****

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End - In the first sentence of any review I write, I usually like to offer a brief overview of the plot. Unfortunately after 168 mins I still don't have much of a clue what it was, and herein lies the first major problem with the latest entry into the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. Instead of focusing upon one narrative, the scriptwriters seem to think that every major character needs to have their own story arc, and whilst this might seem a good way to ensure that everyone gets a spell in the limelight, all it really does is confuse the viewer. It is therefore unsurprising that plot strands are started and abandoned prematurely, at the expense of another far too frequently. Furthermore, far too many characters are surplus to requirements and add nothing to the story, the chief culprit here being Keith Richards who makes a brief and remarkably un-amusing appearance as Jack Sparrow's further. Meanwhile Chow Yun- Fat is demoted to nothing more than a plot device and Naomie Harris is wasted as Tia Dalma, a sort of voodoo character who, in another pointless narrative strand we learn used to be in love with Bill Nighy's Davy Jones. In addition, like that of Dead Man's Chest, the script is littered with plot contrivances which contribute further to what is a lazy and lacklustre writing effort. It's not all bad though. Despite not being amongst Depp's best performances, his Captain Jack Sparrow still has the power to entertain and Keira Knightley's turn as Elizabeth Swann is also commendable. The effects work is also top notch, and ensures that the various action sequences (themselves probably the best aspect of the film) are conveyed in an occasionally exhilirating manner. Therefore, it would appear that the film is not completely devoid of merit, but unfortunately just as it starts to regain some credibility, it lets itself down with an incredibly laborious ending designed to set up a sequel. This isn't the first summer blockbuster of 2007 where avaricious studio executives have had a detrimental effect on a film now though is it?

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