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RE: Boxing - 18/7/2012 11:54:49 AM   
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I don't think Khan's confidence is justified. But, a fighter not confident in himself is asking for a doing. If he wasn't confident in himself then there'd be no point going on.

The first knockdown looked to have totally scrambled Khan in manner I've not really seen since early Tyson. He just looked completely uncontrolled, unco-ordinated. His staggering around the ring after it, in places, reminded me of Berbick trying to control his body after being clobbered by Tyson.

He does seem too easily drawn into the trenches. All it seems to take is one shot that hurts him and off he goes. Unless he is completely dominant he seems reluctant to stick to plans. Against good fighters he's never going to be completely dominant, he's going to get tagged a few times. Take it, stick to the plan.

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RE: Boxing - 22/7/2012 12:14:01 AM   
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Is it confidence? Or is Khan delusional?

He is already coming out with excuses now, saying that his training leading up to the fight wasn't ideal. Shouldn't have got in the ring then pal. Fact is, Khan looks the part and in some aspects is a very good boxer. He is powerful, fast, and at times exciting. But he lacks concentration, patience, and the ability to recover from big hits. I don;t subscribe to the fact that he can't take a dig, because I think he can (though perhaps not as well as others), but his lack of ability to recover from a knockdown is very worrying. When he was put down that first time in the 3rd round against Garcia he was looking to his corner. Whether this was Khan wanting out, or if he was looking for help in terms of a game plan I don't know. I think he needs to come away from the sport for a bit and take stock, and perhaps if he can't find a way to improve against the better opponants maybe he should quit, because one day he might not get up...

His wanting to fight Mayweather is pie in the sky, he is not yet worthy to fight this man. Mayweather would put him away inside of 6 minutes. Max.

There have always been rumours (and several reported incidents in the press) about Khan that suggest that he may have had too much too soon, and maybe his head isn't always in the game. And in boxing, you either do it all or not at all.


But, in fairness to Khan, he did come back pretty well after that first knockout. He got up, came back at Garcia and clearly has the conditioning to take big hits - Garcia caught him with plenty before Khan finally succumbed. Khan's problem is that after taking those hits, after taking that first knock down he let his tactics go. In the first two round he fought an almost perfect tactical fight, and after the knockdown, instead of trying to keep away and using his jab to distance and slow Garcia, he got into a toe to toe fight close up and that allowed Garcia to land his heavy left. Khan looks like he wants to prove to the crowd that he can fight those kinda fights after he's been knocked down, and up close he was never going to win. I think his ability to take a punch has improved a lot. It's when he takes those punches, when he gets knocked down he looses focus on the tactic and gets carried away - maybe its the crowds reaction he reacts to, maybe he hears that roar after the big punches land and allows himself and his ego to be drawn into the kind of fight he can never win. I think talk of retirement is premature, but he certainly needs to improve leaps and bounds before he can take on Mayweather.



I get a lot of what you're saying. But in most other circumstances I think the fight would of been stopped then and there. He was completely out on his feet. I know it looked for a second like he might be able to try and do something but he was gone. He was never coming back from that first knockdown and was never back in the fight. I have no doubt that Khan would keep getting up as long as he was able, but that doesn't mean that he knows what he is doing at that time. I think back to Trevor Berbick when Tyson knocked him out. He got up and you could see by the expression on his face that he had no control of his body at all (as evidenced by his Bambi on Ice impression). In these sorts of instances fighters are acting purely on naked instinct. I would suggest there are times when they get hit so hard they barely know they have got back up off the ground.

Retirement may be a bit early yet, he can clearly box. But will he ever be ranked alongside Mayweather, De La Hoya, or the Pacman? I don't think he will. Khan has taken some beatings already at a young age that in my opinion he hasn't really "come back" from. Why risk permanent injury or illness to be a journeyman who should have been a champion? Technically he is good, and he is fast, and he looks the part physically and can talk the talk, but he has weaknesses (defensively and in relation to absorbing blows and recovering) that he has never really shown any improvement on or the ability to learn from.



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RE: Boxing - 13/9/2012 11:52:49 PM   
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So it looks like Hatton's making a comeback. Thoughts anyone? The only fight that would interest me is Hatton v Khan. He's dreaming if he thinks he can get another go with Pacman or Mayweather. Apparently he's going to take on Paulie Malinaggi in November... uninspiring I must say.
While it is interesting, I can't help but think this is a bad move.

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RE: Boxing - 14/9/2012 1:13:27 AM   
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So it looks like Hatton's making a comeback. Thoughts anyone? The only fight that would interest me is Hatton v Khan. He's dreaming if he thinks he can get another go with Pacman or Mayweather. Apparently he's going to take on Paulie Malinaggi in November... uninspiring I must say.
While it is interesting, I can't help but think this is a bad move.


It is bad news i'm afraid. He is just not the same fighter he was - he'll just end up making a fool of himself. But a lot of fighters, including some great ones in the past - have found it difficult to leave the limelight. He should stay retired and enjoy himself, you know er, drinking beer and eating pies to his hearts content!

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RE: Boxing - 14/9/2012 8:34:27 AM   
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So it looks like Hatton's making a comeback. Thoughts anyone? The only fight that would interest me is Hatton v Khan. He's dreaming if he thinks he can get another go with Pacman or Mayweather. Apparently he's going to take on Paulie Malinaggi in November... uninspiring I must say.
While it is interesting, I can't help but think this is a bad move.


The most interesting move on this is going to be which TV channel he has signed for?
I definitely think part of this is to find a stable for his fighters after his contract wasn't renewed by SKY. He definitely has some decent talent on his books but they put on some poor cards and they need a high profile push, and Hatton on the bill does that.
Paulie M is a great fighter to watch, he puts everything out there, shame he's feather fisted, but I can't see him being Champ long enough to face Hatton two fights down the line. Brook will want him, Khan will want him, so there are a lot of fights out there.
I think we'll see Hatton fight Witter, both are faded lights, and it was the grudge match that never happened, most importantly it would sell. When Hatton wins, because it is that certain, then a Battle of Britain against Brook or Khan would be a great way to go out. It would sell out wherever it was put on (most likely City of Manchester Stadium), and by then Quigg, Crolla, Macklin, Rabchenko, Theophane, The Murrays and a few more of his stable should have stepped up to a level which is catch the publics interest. There are some great stories in his stable, Randall Munro, Gary Buckland, Richard Towers, which is why this could really work on a major domestic network.

So to go full circle, which channel is it going to be on. I'd say Boxnation are out of the equation due to Hattons relationship with Warren and the fact Frank has already dismissed this comeback. Therefore are we about to see a return of boxing to ITV, which would be great for the sport. A live Saturday fight night after the dross that passes for Saturaday night entertainment, are they ready to take on MOTD with the undercard on ITV4 before a 10:30 main event on ITV1? The British public love boxing, but the love has faded since its major migration to SKY however figures for Hennessy on Channel 5, with low level fighters, has shown the home support is still there.

So place your bets, ITV, CH5 or SKY? I think Hatton coming out of retirement has the sniff of SKY about it, so I think they may have offered him a few dates alongside Flash Eddies stable, but I'd love it to be ITV.

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RE: Boxing - 17/9/2012 7:58:08 PM   
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How long before then Khan vs Hatton showdown? Bound to happen. Both are looking for an "in" back to a chance at the big time. It may even work as a fight. Khan still has to prove himself while Hatton wants to show that he isn't washed up. Normally I would say that Hatton would knock Khan in to next week, but three years out of the ring and some obvious personal issues might level the playing field a little bit...

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RE: Boxing - 22/10/2012 11:39:49 PM   
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I think it's got the makings of a really great fight. For me, the only factor is how well Hatton's comeback goes. If he fights well next month and looks good, the fight will happen. I'd like to see him flatten Khan. I can't help it, I just can't warm to the guy. I've supported him in his fights as he's British, but I'm not upset if he loses. Anyway, I sort of have the feeling that Hatton's comeback won't go so well and this won't happen. Khan also has a lot to lose from that fight.

In other 'news', Audley Harrison has still not actually retired despite the destruction he suffered at the hands of David Price...

Speaking of Price, Tyson Fury's been mouthing off again and it looks like a fight between the two could finally happen next summer. If it does indeed happen, I see this as a fairly easy fight for Price. I haven't rated the Fury I've seen except for his last fight, where he looked in pretty good shape and used his jab but that was only a few rounds. However, whatever condition Fury turns up in, he's so used to just using his size (and he doesn't do that particularly well) he's going to have real trouble against Price who is equally as tall (taller?), stronger and faster. Price is rough around the edges but he's improving and I think he's nailed on to be Britain's best HW since Lewis. Fury on the other hand, may have potential, but he has bad habits, a lazy demeanor and limited skills.

Edit: Audley has decided to carry on fighting. It would have been a good idea to have actually started fighting in the first place.

His Tweet: Its official... I've decided to carry on. One more shot at glory. It could be over; next fight will tell me. See u in a ring real soon.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 25/10/2012 9:53:33 PM   
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Just heard and seen the news that Emanuel Steward has died. The guy's became a legend in boxing as a trainer, takinng multiple fighters to world titles. Only 68 years old too.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 26/10/2012 12:00:20 AM   
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Aww man.

I'm nae usually fussed when famous folk toddle off. This one stung a bit though.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 17/11/2012 8:30:36 PM   
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Good night of boxing on Sky tonight.

Love watching Bellew, anything can happen.


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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 24/11/2012 9:14:03 PM   
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No one watching Hatton then?

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 24/11/2012 10:25:02 PM   
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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 24/11/2012 10:37:44 PM   
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Hatton is going to get nailed by a better fighter if misses as many of his swings and walks onto as many jabs as he's doing right now.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 24/11/2012 11:03:00 PM   
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Oh dear. He should have taken an easier fight.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 24/11/2012 11:24:02 PM   
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Shame. Gutted for him.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 24/11/2012 11:39:37 PM   
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I'm more worried about his mental health, he looked destroyed.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 25/11/2012 12:23:24 AM   
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He's just announced his retirement apparently. He's shot and now he knows it. He was never the same after Mayweather and it was more than ring rust that resulted in his loss tonight. It's sad but it's over and I'm glad he's admitted it while he still has his health.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 25/11/2012 6:41:32 PM   
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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 30/11/2012 2:00:02 PM   
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anyone watching Freddie tonight getting slugged?

Oh and I think Price has a british title fight against Methuselah

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 30/11/2012 2:07:48 PM   
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anyone watching Freddie tonight getting slugged?


I would do but I don't know anyone who has boxingnation or any pubs that are showing it. I've been watching that Sky1 programme though, and I don't think he can be entirely ruled out. The guy he's going up against has hardly got a huge amount of experience himself.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 30/11/2012 2:16:42 PM   
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anyone watching Freddie tonight getting slugged?

Oh and I think Price has a british title fight against Methuselah


Yep I'll be watching, I really don't see how he's got into boxing with his knee, his movement must be very limited. The inside of that knee looks like a warzone.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 30/11/2012 2:17:13 PM   
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I'm not rulling out a Flintoff win, just that he's going to get slugged.

2 x 4 minutes is also a bit shit but if he lasts that long I expect him to be breathing out of his arsehole for the last two.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 30/11/2012 2:26:38 PM   
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anyone watching Freddie tonight getting slugged?

Oh and I think Price has a british title fight against Methuselah


Yep I'll be watching, I really don't see how he's got into boxing with his knee, his movement must be very limited. The inside of that knee looks like a warzone.


There's far less stress on his knee with boxing than with bowling. Also, I imagine losing over 3 stone doesn't do any harm

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 30/11/2012 2:40:43 PM   
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I'm not rulling out a Flintoff win, just that he's going to get slugged.

2 x 4 minutes is also a bit shit but if he lasts that long I expect him to be breathing out of his arsehole for the last two.


I wish him the best of luck but I agree, he's going to be suffering some for the next fortnight or so.

quote:

There's far less stress on his knee with boxing than with bowling. Also, I imagine losing over 3 stone doesn't do any harm


He can lose six stone, the fact is the knee is very, very weak and whilst he may not go down on it, he needs to be mobile and reliant on it, and I don't think it is. He's already had the threats of a wheelchair from his doctors.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 30/11/2012 11:32:28 PM   
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Fair play Freddie, took a lot of bottle to do what you've done, but its paid off - nice win.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 1/12/2012 7:48:38 PM   
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Did anyone figure out how he got 39 points in a 4 round fights after being knocked down?

Would have thought he could have only got 38!

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 1/12/2012 11:00:58 PM   
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I noticed that - I thought it should have been 38 - 38. I can't help but think that the crowd helped sway the decision.
Price continues to impress. Skelton's a very tough guy and anyone who can put him away that early (even though he's old now) is clearly very strong.
On the other hand,Fury continues to be underwhelming. He's getting better but Price has nothing to fear at this stage, should they meet soon. The problem with his nose, whatever it is, is going to be a real hindrance. It looks like he can't breathe through it or something. He's always touching and wiping it and it's obviously affecting his performances.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 1/12/2012 11:23:52 PM   
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Price is starting to bore the pants off me and needs to step up soon.

Little Frank needs to do the right thing and retire letting Price move over to Matchroom, a lot of his matchmaking has been woeful in the past couple of years, and you can only dine out on the back of Lennox for so long.

Leejgm, I can't agree with your assessment of Fury. I can't stand the guy, but he was pretty much punch perfect tonight given the opponent who's a genuine gatekeeper for world title fights. Price fought a 45 year old man who has only operated at that level once and that was 4 years ago, and has been a career Domestic/Commonwealth level fighter.

Price is where Fury was after beating Rogan, he needs to move forward and quickly.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 1/12/2012 11:50:47 PM   
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I agree that Price has to step it up, absolutely and I agree he needs to get away from Maloney. I just don't see it with Fury though. I think he's boring, sloppy and totally unlikeable. Only in his last three fights has he even managed to get in decent shape. The better conditioning has been really noticeable but he still has some bad habits which I think will bite him on the arse soon. Price too leaves himself wide open but I think he carries a lot more power and that extra killer instinct that I feel Tyson Fury lacks.
Either way, I think both will win world titles at some point but they've got some improving to do before they go after the Klitchkos. I think David Haye's going to stick his nose in somewhere too. And, as they both look at the moment, I think he'd fancy his chances. particularly, in my view, against Fury.

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RE: Boxing - Emanuel Steward passes away - 2/12/2012 3:32:51 PM   
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I agree about Furys short comings, his chin for one thing. I just hope Price is the one who exposes them.
That said we've no idea what Prices chin is like at the moment, we just know Tyson can be put down by journeymen level fighters even if he gets back up.

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