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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 5/2/2008 11:04:30 PM   
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ah, all this discuusion about attention to detail, the immaculate world jacksn created and impeccable cinematography...
all this praise seems to indicate that these films are exercises in technical prowess, yet are hardly going to get you thinking by giving new ideas and comments on life. When i saw them i along with with everyone else we were 'wowed', yet i cannot see these films being 'loved'. They will last forever so are, in a sense, a timeless classic, but will that be due to their technical achievemnt, unlike the thick coat of love given to other films to ensure they survive the impending apocolypse.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 6/2/2008 5:56:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TOMmyn@t0r

ah, all this discuusion about attention to detail, the immaculate world jacksn created and impeccable cinematography...
all this praise seems to indicate that these films are exercises in technical prowess, yet are hardly going to get you thinking by giving new ideas and comments on life. When i saw them i along with with everyone else we were 'wowed', yet i cannot see these films being 'loved'. They will last forever so are, in a sense, a timeless classic, but will that be due to their technical achievemnt, unlike the thick coat of love given to other films to ensure they survive the impending apocolypse.


I couldn't give a hoot whether or not they comment on life, I love them more than any other films I've seen. Yes, they are technically marvellous, but the strength of that alone doesn't make me love them. It helps make the rich world believable and entrancing, but the heart and emotion of the films lie with the story and characters. 

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 6/2/2008 10:43:28 AM   
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I love'em too. Too much actually. So what ?

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 6/2/2008 8:27:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gimli The Dwarf

quote:

ORIGINAL: TOMmyn@t0r

ah, all this discuusion about attention to detail, the immaculate world jacksn created and impeccable cinematography...
all this praise seems to indicate that these films are exercises in technical prowess, yet are hardly going to get you thinking by giving new ideas and comments on life. When i saw them i along with with everyone else we were 'wowed', yet i cannot see these films being 'loved'. They will last forever so are, in a sense, a timeless classic, but will that be due to their technical achievemnt, unlike the thick coat of love given to other films to ensure they survive the impending apocolypse.



I couldn't give a hoot whether or not they comment on life, I love them more than any other films I've seen. Yes, they are technically marvellous, but the strength of that alone doesn't make me love them. It helps make the rich world believable and entrancing, but the heart and emotion of the films lie with the story and characters. 


Totally agree.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 8/2/2008 10:51:27 AM   
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well of course i was going to get a bollocking for slating lotr in a thread about favourite films. i just wonder if i'm the only one who finds watching them a bit of a chore, not just due to the bloated running time, but the lack of truly great twists.
at the end of psycho, seeing mrs bates was a SURPRISE!, it was unexcepted. seeing frodo lob the ring into mount doom was inevitable, i knew it was going to happen, and had never read the books. so what should have been a nerve shredding fight between frodo and gollum, not knowing who was going to win, if any, was turned into an overlong sequence that had you wishing they'd get back to the black gate, which had trolls!
tolkein was the first to admit that the world of middle earth came before his characters, he was creating maps and languages before any semblance of a plot. and the film follows this, designing and building sets before a script. i hope you twist your fanboy neck to see that excellent as lotr is, it hardly redifines storytelling and the landscape of film, apart from filling the market with fanatsy book adptations.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 9/2/2008 11:22:00 AM   
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I have to say that TOMmynator is right in the aspect that Tolkien did put more work into the descprictions of Middle Earth than the actual Characters...

But TOMmynator you are coming across as a bit arrogant..I mean do you only watch films with huge twists?
Why does every film have to have massive twist though the coming back of Gandalf i would say is a pretty major "twist"..

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 10/2/2008 2:41:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TOMmyn@t0r

well of course i was going to get a bollocking for slating lotr in a thread about favourite films. i just wonder if i'm the only one who finds watching them a bit of a chore, not just due to the bloated running time, but the lack of truly great twists.
at the end of psycho, seeing mrs bates was a SURPRISE!, it was unexcepted. seeing frodo lob the ring into mount doom was inevitable, i knew it was going to happen, and had never read the books. so what should have been a nerve shredding fight between frodo and gollum, not knowing who was going to win, if any, was turned into an overlong sequence that had you wishing they'd get back to the black gate, which had trolls!
tolkein was the first to admit that the world of middle earth came before his characters, he was creating maps and languages before any semblance of a plot. and the film follows this, designing and building sets before a script. i hope you twist your fanboy neck to see that excellent as lotr is, it hardly redifines storytelling and the landscape of film, apart from filling the market with fanatsy book adptations.


Really? I hadn't read the books before seeing the films and I really thought Frodo was going to hit the bucket. That bit where he looks at Sam as he's hanging over the volcano really gets to me. The thing about the films was that you never knew who was going to be killed off next. Although I do think there was one to many near-deaths throughout the trilogy, where we are lead to believe that a character has been killed.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 10/2/2008 2:47:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: King_Bard

I have to say that TOMmynator is right in the aspect that Tolkien did put more work into the descprictions of Middle Earth than the actual Characters...

But TOMmynator you are coming across as a bit arrogant..I mean do you only watch films with huge twists?
Why does every film have to have massive twist though the coming back of Gandalf i would say is a pretty major "twist"..



Not really, as they showed it in the trailers.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 10/2/2008 3:34:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BatFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: King_Bard

I have to say that TOMmynator is right in the aspect that Tolkien did put more work into the descprictions of Middle Earth than the actual Characters...

But TOMmynator you are coming across as a bit arrogant..I mean do you only watch films with huge twists?
Why does every film have to have massive twist though the coming back of Gandalf i would say is a pretty major "twist"..



Not really, as they showed it in the trailers.


O alright, my mistake......Well  it was a twist in the books anyway....

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 10/2/2008 10:08:37 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TOMmyn@t0r

well of course i was going to get a bollocking for slating lotr in a thread about favourite films. i just wonder if i'm the only one who finds watching them a bit of a chore, not just due to the bloated running time, but the lack of truly great twists.
at the end of psycho, seeing mrs bates was a SURPRISE!, it was unexcepted. seeing frodo lob the ring into mount doom was inevitable, i knew it was going to happen, and had never read the books. so what should have been a nerve shredding fight between frodo and gollum, not knowing who was going to win, if any, was turned into an overlong sequence that had you wishing they'd get back to the black gate, which had trolls!
tolkein was the first to admit that the world of middle earth came before his characters, he was creating maps and languages before any semblance of a plot. and the film follows this, designing and building sets before a script. i hope you twist your fanboy neck to see that excellent as lotr is, it hardly redifines storytelling and the landscape of film, apart from filling the market with fanatsy book adptations.


Really? I hadn't read the books before seeing the films and I really thought Frodo was going to hit the bucket. That bit where he looks at Sam as he's hanging over the volcano really gets to me. The thing about the films was that you never knew who was going to be killed off next. Although I do think there was one to many near-deaths throughout the trilogy, where we are lead to believe that a character has been killed.


I'm with Beetlejuice on this one. I also had never read the books, I had no idea what on earth was going to happen. I still have never been quite so shocked in the cinema as when Gandalf takes the plunge in the Fellowship, and although I guessed Boromir's fate, I never thought it would be brought about via his redemption. Come Return Of The King, it was an open book. I fully expected many of our heroes to die, including Frodo at Mount Doom.

< Message edited by Gimli The Dwarf -- 10/2/2008 10:09:02 PM >


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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 10/2/2008 10:51:59 PM   
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Orignally Tolikien was going to kill one of the Hobbits....I think it was Pippin.....How awful would that of been...He is my fave hobbit in the Movies and books.
If you read the end of book 5(At the last battle) you will see "Pippins death" is still in their..Its just that Tolkien got soft in his old age and got Gimili to rescue him at the last minute...

No reason why i said that its just that Gimli talkin about heros death reminded me

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 19/2/2008 5:07:48 PM   
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is there a better trilogy? not in by opinion.

the acting, SPFX, directing, action, music and so on are all to the highest standard. Peter Jackson is the best director ever in my opinion.

in a word, epic.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 27/1/2009 9:27:50 AM   
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Awesome. Am really going to have to rewatch the Trilogy at some point.


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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 28/1/2009 4:48:29 AM   
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Yes, Timon, you must!


I've been listening to the complete soundtracks again over the last few days, there really is nothing quite so magnificent as Shore's music for these films.



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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 28/1/2009 9:28:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TOMmyn@t0r

ah, all this discuusion about attention to detail, the immaculate world jacksn created and impeccable cinematography...
all this praise seems to indicate that these films are exercises in technical prowess, yet are hardly going to get you thinking by giving new ideas and comments on life. When i saw them i along with with everyone else we were 'wowed', yet i cannot see these films being 'loved'. They will last forever so are, in a sense, a timeless classic, but will that be due to their technical achievemnt, unlike the thick coat of love given to other films to ensure they survive the impending apocolypse.


You only have to watch one scene in the entire trilogy to understand why so many of us love it; Sam's speech in Osgiliath. That's the heart of the story.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 28/1/2009 6:46:19 PM   
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is there a better trilogy? not in by opinion.

the acting, SPFX, directing, action, music and so on are all to the highest standard. Peter Jackson is the best director ever in my opinion.

in a word, epic.

Bourne trilogy.
Classic Star wars trilogy.
Prequel Star wars trilogy.
Back to the future trilogy.
Classic Indy trilogy.
Matrix trilogy.

LOTR is the worst film trilogy ever made.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 28/1/2009 7:08:54 PM   
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Worse than the trilogy of Daniel Craig Bond films that there will be once they make the next one, Mr Silas?!

Surely you jest?

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 28/1/2009 10:23:42 PM   
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Worse than the trilogy of Daniel Craig Bond films that there will be once they make the next one, Mr Silas?!

Surely you jest?
Daniel Craigs Bond films arent THAT bad

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 28/1/2009 10:36:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darth silas

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

Worse than the trilogy of Daniel Craig Bond films that there will be once they make the next one, Mr Silas?!

Surely you jest?


Daniel Craigs Bond films arent THAT bad


Now theres a group of words I never thought I would see you post darth.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 29/1/2009 9:06:53 AM   
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The best trilogy of all-time? Hmm, debateable. The worst? Laughable. There's simply far too brilliance packed into the 11 hours for it to be anything else than one of the greatest achievements of modern times.

From Jackson's glorious direction which sweeps from bravado epic battles to touchingly intimate moments, to the wonderfully detailed producion, the beautiful music, the glorious cinematography - it's a stunning set of films to easily rank alongside any other "classic" anyone would care to mention.

I've read the occasional criticism of LOTR where I can understand their points yet don't agree with them - but 95% of criticisms are from intellectually-challenged Star Wars fanboys, in an extended state of puberty  who just can't handle the fact there's another fantasy trilogy that has bettered their precious Lucas films (Kevin Smith I'm looking directly at you ). 

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 29/1/2009 5:09:51 PM   
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I would rather bash my gonads in a desk drawer than watch lotr again.

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 29/1/2009 5:11:43 PM   
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well on my recent trip to new zeeland i was severly disapointed by the lack of hobbit villages and orks 

that documentary has lied to me


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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 29/1/2009 5:16:02 PM   
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i thought it was australia.  i cried when morphius bigespenis died

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 29/1/2009 6:00:17 PM   
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For all homosexual porn enthusiasts; THE TITLE OF THIS FILM IS VERY MISLEADING!!!

3 hours of sweaty, hairy blokes running around and not one cumshot!

I was dissapointed!

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 8/2/2009 12:22:27 PM   
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Why is there so much hatred for LOTR? where we watching the same films, cause in my view and most other film buffs/enthusiasts/critics this is easily the greatest trilogy, as unlike the Three Colours, Star Wars, Indy, BTTF, Jurrasic Park and Godfather trilogies; LOTR has no blimps throughout the course of it. Each film is just as good as the other one.



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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 8/2/2009 5:15:53 PM   
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Awesome. Am really going to have to rewatch the Trilogy at some point.



This is the most amazing battle i have ever seen. I dont think one will better it, and considering the ones that went before it, it was a massive pay off to the series. Such a mix of emotions in that last battle, so many ups and downs, so many confrontations. MAN I LOVE THIS BATTLE!!

I havent seen the films for a few years. Im a massive fan, which is weird considering i never thought i would be. Im saving the next viewing experience until we get a new big tv thing, which considering the economic downturn might be while. should make it more worthwhile and rewarding though!!!!


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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 9/2/2009 4:36:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kumar

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

 
Awesome. Am really going to have to rewatch the Trilogy at some point.



This is the most amazing battle i have ever seen. I dont think one will better it, and considering the ones that went before it, it was a massive pay off to the series. Such a mix of emotions in that last battle, so many ups and downs, so many confrontations. MAN I LOVE THIS BATTLE!!

I havent seen the films for a few years. Im a massive fan, which is weird considering i never thought i would be. Im saving the next viewing experience until we get a new big tv thing, which considering the economic downturn might be while. should make it more worthwhile and rewarding though!!!!




The music for that scene is sublime, and the way the camera sweeps in from the distance is awe-inspiring.



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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 9/2/2009 7:49:20 AM   
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seeing frodo lob the ring into mount doom was inevitable


Did you actually see the film?
Frodo decides to keep the ring, has it nicked from him by Gollum who stumbled over the rim and falls into the lava.
So he doesn't exactly "lob it into mount doom ", does he?

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings - 11/2/2009 6:37:46 PM   
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If you dont like the films why are you posting in this tread ?

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RE: The Lord Of The Rings & The Hobbit - 4/11/2011 6:29:53 PM   
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Just skimming this thread and I couldn't help but notice how much Silas has trolled on here, which is funny considering how much he apparently hates LOTR.

Anyway's gonna start bumping this thread since we're just over a year to The Hobbit. Anyone seen the rumours that we're going to see a teaser pre Sherlock Holmes 2? That would be awesome seeing as we're getting a TDKR trailer already.

Also here's the latest on set video diary. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150451523596807

EDIT: Any chance a mod can change the thread title to The Lord Of The Rings & The Hobbit? It kind of makes sense to have both sets of films in the same thread, ala Star Wars. I'd ask coolstar but y'know I can't (sorry can't discuss banned members right?).

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