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Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 10:01:43 PM   
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It seems early reviews show that Grindhouse is a mixed bag. Rodrigues' Planet Terror seems to get the most positive reviews. Tarantino's Death Proof is likely to be his worst effort yet....
Does this worry you / Or is it the backlash that was to be expected?


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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 10:41:55 PM   
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 Well I am still very optimistic about both films and the whole experience. Some critics are bound to rip it apart, that doesn't bother me at all, this kind of thing isn't for everyone. I have been quite surprised at how positive the reviews of Planet Terror have been, some suggesting it is his best FILM yet, I kind of expected this double feature to be more of an experimental joy ride than anything seriously challenging the directors best work.

The Chud.com reviews seem most likely to align with my eventual opinion, Jeremy even suggests Tarantino's Death Proof is the superior film. I am certainly not convinced it will anything near terrible (hell Kurt Russell is back) , it probably will pale in comparison to his previous work but it will still be damn good, it might even be his most enjoyable effort to date (isn't that the aim - fun).

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 10:44:20 PM   
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From what I've read people either love Tarantino's and hate Rodriguez's or vice versa.  It balances out really.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 10:49:01 PM   
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 I never take any notice of these early review things, if i remember correctly people posted that critics said the Departed was awful.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 10:53:42 PM   
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If you go on Rotten Tomatoes, it seems the majority of the reviews are praising Tarantino. The general consensus seems to be that Planet Terror is an all out pastiche of grindhouse movies that is deliberately bad whilst Death Proof is actually an original good film, which is what I expected.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 10:54:15 PM   
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The film overall is receiving very positive reviews, metacritic has it rated very highly - CLICKY

As for the whole RR 1 - 0 QT I imagine this topic will get very tedious very quickly, as people are undoubtedly going to compare each director's sections to death. I actually heard that Death Proof was amazing whereas Planet Terror was fairly average. I think as someone said it will balance itself out.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 10:58:18 PM   
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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 11:11:21 PM   
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"Bottom Line: Like all double bills of the sick, shocking, perverse exploitation movies of old, one is better than the other.
If you were keeping score, it would be Quentin Tarantino 1, Robert Rodriguez 0.

Rodriguez fulfills his end of the bargain by turning in a deliberately bad zombie horror movie, "Planet Terror," with overzealous acting, paper-thin characters, scratches and splotches everywhere and absurdly fake gore. Bodies crumble with remarkable ease and gushing blood looks like raspberry jelly.

But Tarantino cheats. He actually makes a good movie. Oh sure, the characters in his psycho-car chase movie, "Death Proof," don't have the depth one finds in an Ingmar Bergman film, and it follows all the genre conventions. But in what low-budget exploitationer would you find a single take lasting untold minutes as the camera pirouettes around four characters in deep discussion at a diner? Or, for that matter, multimillion-dollar smash-and-accelerate car chases that go on forever? The print doesn't even look that scratched. "Grindhouse" is, necessarily, an uneven and compromised movie adventure. Of course, no one can complain it's bad because that's the point. But how about, in the case of the overly repetitive, one-note "Terror, boring?"

Hollywood Reporter


"To get to the best part first, Tarantino's adrenaline-pumping "Death Proof" is actually a good movie that - unlike Rodriguez's "Planet Terror," - rethinks its genre in ways that say something to contemporary audiences. And it's got some of Tarantino's best dialogue since "Pulp Fiction." "

The New York Post


"Gives dumpster-divers a chance to slum in the antiseptic safety of a multiplex. (Planet Terror ** (out of four) / Death Proof ***1/2 (out of four). "

Chicago Tribune


"Planet Terror delivers only momentary kicks...while Tarantino's Death Proof is a juicy, delicious treat, its pleasures stem much less from the play with genre conventions than from great dialogue and electric performances. nventions than from great dialogue and electric performances. "

Variety


"Rodriguez's "Planet Terror" is a whole-hog pastiche bordering on parody, with a scattershot method perfectly evoked by its most iconic image: one-legged go-go-dancer (Rose McGowan) spraying her machine-gun prosthetic at all comers. Tarantino's exhilarating "Death Proof" combines the sorority slice-and-dice with the automotive bump-and-grind and ends up with something greater and stranger than the sum of its parts."

Los Angeles Times

"Where Rodriguez does grindhouse more or less straight up, Tarantino takes greater license with Death Proof—which is to say the tradition he's elaborating on is the Tarantino Movie. Only tangentially related to the vehicular-mayhem genre (Vanishing Point is name-checked repeatedly), this sneaky contraption is booby-trapped with twisty talk, structural shocks, berserkoid set pieces, and unabashed foot fetishism."

Village Voice



Those are the reviews from the most respected papers/magazines, and it seems as though its Tarantino is getting the critics thumbs-up. Hopefully all this 'Im only excited about Planet Terror' viewpoint may be dispelled. Im not surprised one bit as Tarantino was always going to produce the better movie as he is a far better director and writer.

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I should have it by tuesday so i'll make my own mind up then and sod everybody else's opinion.


I take it you are getting it on DVD, which seems like an utter waste of time to me. Surely the whole raison d'etre of Grindhouse is that you see it at the cinema? The reason why Im excited about it is because it looks like a real cinematic experience, and youd be missing out on that by just watching it on DVD.


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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 11:41:06 PM   
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Yeah...but it's what you look for, isn't it?



"Tarantino doesn't deliver on his own premise. In a proper grindhouse movie, absolutely anything goes--except for the one terrible taboo you must never break: whatever you do, never bore the audience. Rodriguez' insane onslaught of genre mayhem would be a tough act to follow for anybody, but Tarantino dials the excitement way down. Instead of exploding zombie heads, we're suddenly watching four nearly indistinguishable women talking endlessly about sex and drugs without ever establishing anything like credible or likable characters--which would be ok if they were at least funny. But QT's dialogue isn't half as hip or cool as he clearly thinks it is, and stretches of Death Proof feel like a tiresome Tarantino parody, or worse, bad Kevin Smith."

"Now it may seem ridiculous to criticize a Tarantino movie for being too talky. His characters are verbal kaleidoscopes who exist to babble. But in Death Proof every bit of dialogue feels overlong and completely self-indulgent to the point where Tarantino seems to be imitating himself rather than grindhouse movies. It’s hard to believe this is coming from the same guy who so perfectly captured the era just a few short years ago when he made Kill Bill. Ever the actor’s director, Tarantino is obviously focused more on performances than actual content, which explains why a stylist like Rodriguez feels more at home in this territory. Death Proof’s cast of vixens are drop-dead gorgeous and act well enough, but as characters, they’re also interchangeable. The stand-out is, of course, Russell who remains a raging pillar of bad-assery, but even then he feels underused and strings this aimless script along by a thread."

"The first half of Grindhouse is really fun. Planet Terror delivers the goods with a furious pace and a ton of laughs. My only complaint is the film is not a 70's period piece. The look is totally Lucio Fulci but Rodriquez includes minibikes, cell phones, etc. The scratched up effects are fantastic.

Death Proof is also not a period film but unlike the previous film it's a complete bore. Tarrantino must of thought his writing could entertain audiences for the first 60 minutes. It doesn't. It's dull. VERY DULL. People were leaving the theater it was so bad. The actors keep talking about the movie Vanishing Point over and over. I wish I had been watching Vanishing Point. Why did they put his film last? Must be his out of control ego. I've liked all his previous work, but this is just awful. I feel sorry for Kurt Russell. He deserves better. For some reason they ditched all the cool scratch effects that Planet Terror had. I don't get it. This should of been just a trailer. Seems Quentin needs to watch some of the Grindhouse movies before trying to make one."


O well, personally I don't mind all the talk, just hoping that both films will be a lot of fun. I came across the ones that prefered RR's part, but now I have researched it, is really 50/50, and a lot of em are positive on both. So fingers crossed!


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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 11:44:50 PM   
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 The thing I want to know is has he done that stupid missing reel thing he kept stating he would.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 5/4/2007 11:56:56 PM   
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Yeah...but it's what you look for, isn't it?



"Tarantino doesn't deliver on his own premise. In a proper grindhouse movie, absolutely anything goes--except for the one terrible taboo you must never break: whatever you do, never bore the audience. Rodriguez' insane onslaught of genre mayhem would be a tough act to follow for anybody, but Tarantino dials the excitement way down. Instead of exploding zombie heads, we're suddenly watching four nearly indistinguishable women talking endlessly about sex and drugs without ever establishing anything like credible or likable characters--which would be ok if they were at least funny. But QT's dialogue isn't half as hip or cool as he clearly thinks it is, and stretches of Death Proof feel like a tiresome Tarantino parody, or worse, bad Kevin Smith."

"Now it may seem ridiculous to criticize a Tarantino movie for being too talky. His characters are verbal kaleidoscopes who exist to babble. But in Death Proof every bit of dialogue feels overlong and completely self-indulgent to the point where Tarantino seems to be imitating himself rather than grindhouse movies. It's hard to believe this is coming from the same guy who so perfectly captured the era just a few short years ago when he made Kill Bill. Ever the actor's director, Tarantino is obviously focused more on performances than actual content, which explains why a stylist like Rodriguez feels more at home in this territory. Death Proof's cast of vixens are drop-dead gorgeous and act well enough, but as characters, they're also interchangeable. The stand-out is, of course, Russell who remains a raging pillar of bad-assery, but even then he feels underused and strings this aimless script along by a thread."

"The first half of Grindhouse is really fun. Planet Terror delivers the goods with a furious pace and a ton of laughs. My only complaint is the film is not a 70's period piece. The look is totally Lucio Fulci but Rodriquez includes minibikes, cell phones, etc. The scratched up effects are fantastic.

Death Proof is also not a period film but unlike the previous film it's a complete bore. Tarrantino must of thought his writing could entertain audiences for the first 60 minutes. It doesn't. It's dull. VERY DULL. People were leaving the theater it was so bad. The actors keep talking about the movie Vanishing Point over and over. I wish I had been watching Vanishing Point. Why did they put his film last? Must be his out of control ego. I've liked all his previous work, but this is just awful. I feel sorry for Kurt Russell. He deserves better. For some reason they ditched all the cool scratch effects that Planet Terror had. I don't get it. This should of been just a trailer. Seems Quentin needs to watch some of the Grindhouse movies before trying to make one."


O well, personally I don't mind all the talk, just hoping that both films will be a lot of fun. I came across the ones that prefered RR's part, but now I have researched it, is really 50/50, and a lot of em are positive on both. So fingers crossed!



What paper/magazine is that from though? To be honest the reviewer seemed to have an idea in his head that it has to be a insane rollercoaster-ride pastiche rather than a good movie in its own right. The comment at the end that Tarantino has to watch more grindhouse movies is also very bizarre because he obviously has watched loads.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 6/4/2007 2:52:53 PM   
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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 6/4/2007 3:32:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheManWithNoShame

quote:

ORIGINAL: BobM70

Yeah...but it's what you look for, isn't it?



"Tarantino doesn't deliver on his own premise. In a proper grindhouse movie, absolutely anything goes--except for the one terrible taboo you must never break: whatever you do, never bore the audience. Rodriguez' insane onslaught of genre mayhem would be a tough act to follow for anybody, but Tarantino dials the excitement way down. Instead of exploding zombie heads, we're suddenly watching four nearly indistinguishable women talking endlessly about sex and drugs without ever establishing anything like credible or likable characters--which would be ok if they were at least funny. But QT's dialogue isn't half as hip or cool as he clearly thinks it is, and stretches of Death Proof feel like a tiresome Tarantino parody, or worse, bad Kevin Smith."

"Now it may seem ridiculous to criticize a Tarantino movie for being too talky. His characters are verbal kaleidoscopes who exist to babble. But in Death Proof every bit of dialogue feels overlong and completely self-indulgent to the point where Tarantino seems to be imitating himself rather than grindhouse movies. It's hard to believe this is coming from the same guy who so perfectly captured the era just a few short years ago when he made Kill Bill. Ever the actor's director, Tarantino is obviously focused more on performances than actual content, which explains why a stylist like Rodriguez feels more at home in this territory. Death Proof's cast of vixens are drop-dead gorgeous and act well enough, but as characters, they're also interchangeable. The stand-out is, of course, Russell who remains a raging pillar of bad-assery, but even then he feels underused and strings this aimless script along by a thread."

"The first half of Grindhouse is really fun. Planet Terror delivers the goods with a furious pace and a ton of laughs. My only complaint is the film is not a 70's period piece. The look is totally Lucio Fulci but Rodriquez includes minibikes, cell phones, etc. The scratched up effects are fantastic.

Death Proof is also not a period film but unlike the previous film it's a complete bore. Tarrantino must of thought his writing could entertain audiences for the first 60 minutes. It doesn't. It's dull. VERY DULL. People were leaving the theater it was so bad. The actors keep talking about the movie Vanishing Point over and over. I wish I had been watching Vanishing Point. Why did they put his film last? Must be his out of control ego. I've liked all his previous work, but this is just awful. I feel sorry for Kurt Russell. He deserves better. For some reason they ditched all the cool scratch effects that Planet Terror had. I don't get it. This should of been just a trailer. Seems Quentin needs to watch some of the Grindhouse movies before trying to make one."


O well, personally I don't mind all the talk, just hoping that both films will be a lot of fun. I came across the ones that prefered RR's part, but now I have researched it, is really 50/50, and a lot of em are positive on both. So fingers crossed!



What paper/magazine is that from though? To be honest the reviewer seemed to have an idea in his head that it has to be a insane rollercoaster-ride pastiche rather than a good movie in its own right. The comment at the end that Tarantino has to watch more grindhouse movies is also very bizarre because he obviously has watched loads.


Whoever wrote it needs to learn how to speak English first. "This should of been a trailer" "Tarrantino must of thought"

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 6/4/2007 10:59:17 PM   
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 My guess is there will be few people who will view both films as great, probably seeing one of the two as a fav and the other a dissapointment, for me Planet Terror is the biggie but that said with all my expectations shifted in that direction it could indeed be QT who steels the show.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 7/4/2007 12:07:26 AM   
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"Tarantino doesn't deliver on his own premise. In a proper grindhouse movie, absolutely anything goes--except for the one terrible taboo you must never break: whatever you do, never bore the audience. Rodriguez' insane onslaught of genre mayhem would be a tough act to follow for anybody, but Tarantino dials the excitement way down. Instead of exploding zombie heads, we're suddenly watching four nearly indistinguishable women talking endlessly about sex and drugs without ever establishing anything like credible or likable characters--which would be ok if they were at least funny. But QT's dialogue isn't half as hip or cool as he clearly thinks it is, and stretches of Death Proof feel like a tiresome Tarantino parody, or worse, bad Kevin Smith."

"Now it may seem ridiculous to criticize a Tarantino movie for being too talky. His characters are verbal kaleidoscopes who exist to babble. But in Death Proof every bit of dialogue feels overlong and completely self-indulgent to the point where Tarantino seems to be imitating himself rather than grindhouse movies. It's hard to believe this is coming from the same guy who so perfectly captured the era just a few short years ago when he made Kill Bill. Ever the actor's director, Tarantino is obviously focused more on performances than actual content, which explains why a stylist like Rodriguez feels more at home in this territory. Death Proof's cast of vixens are drop-dead gorgeous and act well enough, but as characters, they're also interchangeable. The stand-out is, of course, Russell who remains a raging pillar of bad-assery, but even then he feels underused and strings this aimless script along by a thread."

"The first half of Grindhouse is really fun. Planet Terror delivers the goods with a furious pace and a ton of laughs. My only complaint is the film is not a 70's period piece. The look is totally Lucio Fulci but Rodriquez includes minibikes, cell phones, etc. The scratched up effects are fantastic.

Death Proof is also not a period film but unlike the previous film it's a complete bore. Tarrantino must of thought his writing could entertain audiences for the first 60 minutes. It doesn't. It's dull. VERY DULL. People were leaving the theater it was so bad. The actors keep talking about the movie Vanishing Point over and over. I wish I had been watching Vanishing Point. Why did they put his film last? Must be his out of control ego. I've liked all his previous work, but this is just awful. I feel sorry for Kurt Russell. He deserves better. For some reason they ditched all the cool scratch effects that Planet Terror had. I don't get it. This should of been just a trailer. Seems Quentin needs to watch some of the Grindhouse movies before trying to make one."






I just watched Grindhouse and I've highlighted the parts I agree with.

Planet Terror was more enjoyable. Blood galore, uber-hot chicks, guns, butterfly knives, expolsions, implosions, poison gas, amputations, laughs, winces, decomposing appendages. Yep, the very reasons anyone would want to see it. If the trailers got you off than you won't be disappointed when you see it.

Death Proof on the other hand....

I hate to admit it, but the reviewer above is right. I agree with everything I put in boldface. However, that doesn't mean DP is without its moments. It takes a while for the thrills to come, but when they do you'll treat every gear change, tire screech, window shatter, fatal rollover,and metal-on-metal scraping as a sweet cacophony of vehicular carnage.

Verdict:

Planet Terror -  3.5
Death Proof - 3

Overall, I'll be generous:
Grindhouse - 3.5


And since I have an intuitive gift for Tarantino film references I'll rate this one as well:

Vanishing Point - 3


P.S. The faux trailers were hilarious!

P.P.S. Tarantino still has the skill when it comes to music tracks. Those bastards were slammin'.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the overall theme of the two films. Bottom line - Guns are a life-saver. Especially in Death Proof.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 7/4/2007 12:10:56 PM   
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IMDB reviews are coming in fast now and I guess it's all about waiting a week or two, when the 13 to 17 year olds have gone, for the final verdict. It's still seems to be a fine film, but I really am starting to get nervous now.
I have to wait untill Juli and August to see the cut-in-half version over here and place my own personal verdict. Damn.



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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 7/4/2007 12:14:51 PM   
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IMDB reviews are coming in fast now and I guess it's all about waiting a week or two, when the 13 to 17 year olds have gone, for the final verdict. It's still seems to be a fine film, but I really am starting to get nervous now.
I have to wait untill Juli and August to see the cut-in-half version over here and place my own personal verdict. Damn.



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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 7/4/2007 3:40:06 PM   
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 Yeah, supposedly it will be released week after week. Planet Terror will be released first than Death Proof. Personally they both look decent...but from what I am hearing both are majourly flawed. The movie has not done to well opening night, it looks like it will finish 4th position with $13 million dollars...and they were expecting $25 million.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 7/4/2007 4:10:36 PM   
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I have read quite a lot of reviews now and it seems that with Grindhouse, we get another Kill Bill-like experience.

Planet Terrror is the blood, guts and guns rollercoaster ride, with the action dominating the film. It is rather (intentionally) silly, and goes overboard in almost every aspect, respectfully. Whereas with Death Proof, it is slow paced, and very dialogue-driven, very character-driven with a few brilliant action set pieces. The dialogue comes much more to the fore, and most of the films involves hanging out with the main characters.

I am also getting rather nervous as when I first saw Volume 2, I didn't like some of the dialogue scenes very much. It just didn't seem like QT, it seemed like somebody trying to pretend he's QT. With the few short scenes I have seen from Death Proof, I got more of the same feeling. The dialogue seemed forced and unnatural. I hope to God this isn't the case. Also, I hear that the action sequences are brilliant, and that he has really stepped up his game in terms of direction, visuals and style.

Only time will tell, whether I like the film or not I guess....


PS: I absolutely love Kill Bill: Volume 2 now. 

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 9/4/2007 4:56:37 PM   
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Reading most of the new IMDb reviews, it starts to appear that my initial fear becomes truth... Tarantino's Deathproof being the weakest of the double bill.



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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 9/4/2007 5:16:08 PM   
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Reading most of the new IMDb reviews, it starts to appear that my initial fear becomes truth... Tarantino's Deathproof being the weakest of the double bill.


To be fair, those people will be the very same people that liked The Fast and The Furious over Mystic River.

I think with Death Proof, audiences expected another Planet Terror. However, they were shocked to see it full of dialogue (like most other QT films) and very little action and hence didn't like it. I think it hurt DP that PT came first. Maybe it should have been the other way around.

Those wanting action will be disappointed in Death Proof as it is very dialogue heavy. I also think those that loved Volume 2 will love Death Proof.

It certainly the concensus amongst film critics that Death Proof is the superior film. Furthermore, the guys at IMDB liked Death Proof much better upon 2nd viewing. I think DP will in time be declared far superior to PT.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 9/4/2007 5:35:45 PM   
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Reading most of the new IMDb reviews, it starts to appear that my initial fear becomes truth... Tarantino's Deathproof being the weakest of the double bill.



Bob



Come on Bob, lots of the imdb reviews are written by people wanting an experience like Planet Terror, basically a no-brainer all out action rollercoaster ride. It is evident from all the critics reviews that Death Proof is a much more daring, original and interesting film than Planet Terror. On imdb the worst criticism on the front page was that it was like 'Jackie Brown on wheels', intended as an insult, but for me that would be a compliment as it is one of his best films.

Going by both directors past films, I will be outright shocked if Planet Terror is better than Death Proof, and that has nothing to do with the critics reviews.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 9/4/2007 7:49:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BobM70

Reading most of the new IMDb reviews, it starts to appear that my initial fear becomes truth... Tarantino's Deathproof being the weakest of the double bill.



Bob




Going by both directors past films, I will be outright shocked if Planet Terror is better than Death Proof, and that has nothing to do with the critics reviews.


Same here! But the truth is: I am afraid that shock will come. Being a big fan of Tarantino, I was hugely dissappointed by the Kill Bills. And Death Proof just not seems to be the film that will reinstall my faith in the banana chinned.
And as for comparing it to Jackie Brown: I don't think this is in the same league, because it has to be a completely different film. And quite a few comments seem to tell me that there's quite a lot of talking (as in JB) and dialogue nearly not as "hip" as in PF. That's not a good sign for a grindhouse-type movie. Rodrigues seemed to have understood it better and while being comletely over the top, it is an entertaining (mess of a) movie.


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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 9/4/2007 8:09:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BobM70

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheManWithNoShame

quote:

ORIGINAL: BobM70

Reading most of the new IMDb reviews, it starts to appear that my initial fear becomes truth... Tarantino's Deathproof being the weakest of the double bill.



Bob




Going by both directors past films, I will be outright shocked if Planet Terror is better than Death Proof, and that has nothing to do with the critics reviews.


Same here! But the truth is: I am afraid that shock will come. Being a big fan of Tarantino, I was hugely dissappointed by the Kill Bills. And Death Proof just not seems to be the film that will reinstall my faith in the banana chinned.
And as for comparing it to Jackie Brown: I don't think this is in the same league, because it has to be a completely different film. And quite a few comments seem to tell me that there's quite a lot of talking (as in JB) and dialogue nearly not as "hip" as in PF. That's not a good sign for a grindhouse-type movie. Rodrigues seemed to have understood it better and while being comletely over the top, it is an entertaining (mess of a) movie.


Bob



Correctamundo, in all respects!

The 'hip' dialogue in Jackie Brown & Pulp Fiction was entertaining because the characters made it interesting. We wanted to know more about them. Unfortunately, I didn't want to get to know the characters in Death Proof. Well, all except for Stuntman Mike, who sadly isn't on-screen a whole helluva lot. Maybe I was a little too harsh in my judgment of DP, but I just felt disappointed.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 10/4/2007 8:06:17 AM   
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I've just come back from the cinema ... I don't want to spoil anything but ... Planet Terror is quite entertaining, really gory and in a similar vein to From Dusk Till Dawn, and it has a devilish, morbid sense of humour, easily consumable though a bit grim. It breezed past, never a dull moment (Except the endless opening credits, though most guys will love them ). The best thing for me was Josh Brolin, probably the sexiest villain I've seen for ages although he does end up with some blemishes

Death Proof is really fantastic though, to be honest I felt a little embarrassed for Rodriguez. I'm not a Tarantino fangirl by any means and I was really, really skeptical but I thought it was marvellous. Lots and lots and lots of idle chit chat, a totally different pace to Planet Terror, but I didn't think the dialogue goes overboard on style as I would've assumed it would.

Anyway not to spoil things, but I preferred the relentless talk of Death Proof to the relentless action of Planet Terror, having said that the finale to Death Proof is just splendid and everyone in the cinema was totally gripped, everyone with beaming smiles, really exhilarating cinema and far more exciting than anything Rodriguez managed in Planet Terror. I would've hated Death Proof if everything wasn't just perfect, but Tarantino really builds his characters well during the banter and uses them to hits all the right notes. Death Proof is the reason to watch Grindhouse, my faith in Tarantino the director has been restored (Maybe not Tarantino the actor though )

Anyway I don't know if everyone's already seen the trailers ... but I thought they were all great apart from Rob Zombie's (Which was dreadful!). I was laughing so much at Edgar Wright's and Eli Roth's, there's another right at the beginning, I don't who directed though, which was also hilarious, 'Hobo with a Shotgun'.

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RE: Grindhouse: early reviews: RR 1 - QT 0 - 10/4/2007 9:19:58 AM   
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Reading most of the new IMDb reviews, it starts to appear that my initial fear becomes truth... Tarantino's Deathproof being the weakest of the double bill.



Bob



IMBD??? Oh dear, these guys said that Fantastic Four was the greatest superhero movie of all time.

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