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RE: Tuskegee Airmen - 12/5/2009 10:52:53 AM   
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There was an interesting piece in the Independent about the new Dambusters movie, particularly about the dilemma surrounding what to call Gibson's dog : http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/nigsy-trigger-nword-dilemma-bounces-on-for-dam-busters-ii-1680148.html

Nigsy??

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RE: Tuskegee Airmen - 12/5/2009 10:53:55 AM   
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That REALLY fucking annoys me. 

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RE: Tuskegee Airmen - 12/5/2009 12:55:44 PM   
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After recently watching The Dambusters and cringing when they start shouting "Nigger! It's NIGGER!" in the control room, I'm kinda glad that they might go with 'Nigsy'.

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RE: Tuskegee Airmen - 12/5/2009 1:04:53 PM   
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See, that's what irks me!  The dog and his name was integral to the raid - Gibson sometimes took Nigger with him on flights, and since the dog wouldn't be going on this one (mainly 'cos it was dead!), he used the dog's name as the code word for successful breaching of the dam!

URGH! 

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RE: Tuskegee Airmen - 12/5/2009 2:29:24 PM   
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That doesn't make it any less cringeworthy watching men cheering and punching the air shouting "Nigger! Woohoo! Nigger!"

I'm all for historical accuracy but you risk making the scene;

a) laughable
b) damned awkward
c) just embarrassing

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RE: Tuskegee Airmen - 12/5/2009 2:36:18 PM   
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They'd be better off cutting the bloody word altogether!  "Nigsy" sounds just stupid.

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Angels one-five - 5/9/2009 4:26:56 PM   
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Just watching a classic:


Stiff upper lips aside, this is a cracking movie, and one of the most accurate depicting the actions of "The Few" in the summer of 1940. Several of the Hurricanes were supplied by the Portuguese Air Force (with another supplied by Hawker-Siddley (in fact, the LAST Hurricane built, which is still flying)), while several of the cast had seen active service in the RAF from 1939-45.

There's a book I bought recently, too: "The Battle of Britain on Screen". It's basically a round-up of the various films and TV series made since the 1940s about the Battle of Britain (though, primarily, the British efforts), and includes various thoughts and reviews of them. Good stuff.

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RE: Angels one-five - 19/9/2009 6:22:02 PM   
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Add another mini-series to the list:


Telling the fictional story of Flying Officer Hugh Fleming (Nigel Havers), an RAF ace who is shot down and badly burned during the Battle of Britain, this six-parter aired on ITV back in 1991. It's a bit light on aerial stuff, but what there is of it is really, really nice. Spitfires (late-model ones, granted, but better than nothing) and a solitary Hispano Buchon duke it out over southern England, with most of the exciting stuff shot from the ground (an interesting point, this. Shooting from the ground actually makes the action look faster and more frantic than shooting in the air), although there are some nice formation shots of Spitfires on their wait to hunt the Hun.

Stiff upper lips all round for the acting, though. James Fox plays the fictional plastic surgeon Angus Meikle, who helps Fleming back into the air.

Available on R2 DVD.


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RE: Angels one-five - 19/9/2009 10:50:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DazDaMan

Add another mini-series to the list:


Telling the fictional story of Flying Officer Hugh Fleming (Nigel Havers), an RAF ace who is shot down and badly burned during the Battle of Britain, this six-parter aired on ITV back in 1991. It's a bit light on aerial stuff, but what there is of it is really, really nice. Spitfires (late-model ones, granted, but better than nothing) and a solitary Hispano Buchon duke it out over southern England, with most of the exciting stuff shot from the ground (an interesting point, this. Shooting from the ground actually makes the action look faster and more frantic than shooting in the air), although there are some nice formation shots of Spitfires on their wait to hunt the Hun.

Stiff upper lips all round for the acting, though. James Fox plays the fictional plastic surgeon Angus Meikle, who helps Fleming back into the air.

Available on R2 DVD.



I remember this!

I watched it with my dad when it first aired. I was only about 8 so I don't remember much in the way of plot!

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RE: Angels one-five - 20/9/2009 11:42:21 PM   
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For the history buffs, it's loosely based on the real-life Richard Hillary, a Spitfire pilot who was shot down in the Battle of Britain, badly burnt, and who then became a founding "member" of the famed Guinea Pig Club. He later returned to flying, but sadly his injuries were such that he could not handle the more complex controls of the twin-engined Blenheim night-fighters, and he crashed to his death in 1942.

Sad story, but an incredibly good one. I recommend his biography.

While I'm on the subject, I wrote to the author of the book asking whether or not a film of Hillary's life could ever be made. His opinion: not a hope. The HIllary family are incredibly reluctant to sell the rights to Hillary's famous book, "The Last Enemy" (a cracking read), for fear it might be "Hollywoodised"...

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First Light - 1/10/2009 2:02:39 PM   
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It's been suggested recently over on the Key Publishing Aviation forums (and mentioned in the latest issue of Aeroplane Monthly) that the BBC are at work on an adaptation of Geoff Wellum's bestselling book, "First Light", to be screened in 2010 (the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain).


The book is brilliant - I hope the BBC don't make a hash of it!

The Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Spitfire IIa P7350 (itself a Battle of Britain veteran, as well as a "star" of the 1969 film) is possibly going to take part - appropriately enough, it has recently been repainted in Geoff Wellum's markings:


There's also a Spitfire Mk.Ia based at Duxford, as well as one (possibly two) Bf109/Ha1112 aircraft. They could possibly be used....

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RE: First Light - 28/2/2010 7:25:58 PM   
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Have watched a slew of aviation-based films lately, starting with:



A friend of mine over on the aviation forums recommended it (he also recommended Star Trek to me), and I thoroughly bloody enjoyed it!

Stunning aerial action of Intruders indulging in aerobatics near the start, as well as tense night-time bombing raids over North Vietnam. My favourite bit, though, has to be the Skyraider "Sandy" sequence - fucking beautiful!

I also invested in ALL FOUR Iron Eagle films, too.

The first is arguably the best, even if it's very much a fantasy action film.

The second isn't too bad, either, but it does lack even more in the credibility department.

The third is my favourite of the bunch, mainly because it's got warbird porn in it - Spitfire, Messerschmitt 109, P-38 Lightning and Mitsubishi A6M Zero.

The fourth is rather dire, though. The lack of budget is painfully apparent.

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 11/5/2010 3:50:30 PM   
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Thought I'd bump this thread as Red Tails seems to have started filming

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 11/5/2010 3:59:31 PM   
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I think it started ages ago, finished and is now in post/re-shoots.



http://screenrant.com/set-photos-george-lucas-red-tails-mikee-59103/


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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 11/5/2010 8:13:04 PM   
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I think it started ages ago, finished and is now in post/re-shoots.



Cool.  I hope it's successful and generates some more.  Any news on Dambusters, do you know?


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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 14/5/2010 8:46:19 PM   
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Production has begun on a film adaptation of Geoffrey Wellum's WW2 best-seller, "First Light".

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1580105#post1580105

Wellum was 19 years old when he went into combat during the Battle of Britain, 70 years ago. His book is absolutely fantastic.

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 24/6/2010 8:34:20 AM   
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I've been on something of a World War 1 binge lately after seeing a documentary on Channel 4 about the "birth" of air combat - it was called Fighting The Red Baron and featured a few real WW1-era aircraft as well as more modern replicas of the SE5a and Fokker Dr1.

Now, onto the aero-porn...

The obvious ones have already been mentioned (Flyboys, The Red Baron etc), but I managed to bag one of my all-time favourites on DVD FINALLY the other day. This is it:



Classic. First-rate cast (Flynn, Niven, Rathbone), stunning flying sequences and, rare for a WW1 aviation film, a decent plot regarding the stress of command.

I managed to bag my copy off eBay for somewhere in the region of £10 (not a bargain, by any means, but I'd have paid a bit more than that to bag this sucker on DVD!).



Ropey plot, sub-par acting and too many musical numbers than a straight man can stand, the one thing that made this film bearable were the AWESOME flying sequences. SE5as versus the various replicas left over from filming The Blue Max - they look fast and ferocious as dogfights should be, not staged and planned as they seem in the former film.

Good thing the DVD player has that skip function, so you can pass on the bullshit in order to get to the good stuff....

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 24/6/2010 12:51:12 PM   
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Has anyone mentioned Flyboys on this thread? The aerial sequences in that movie are fantastically well done with great FX. The rest of the movie is pretty good too.

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 29/6/2010 1:35:59 PM   
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Thanks to the wonders of evilBay, I FINALLY managed to get this on DVD:



It's about as historically accurate as a Mel Gibson flick (ahem!), but the dogfight scenes make it all worth it. Like Darling Lili, it makes use of the ex-Blue Max German aircraft, and reuses the SE5as from the previous film.

If you thought the dogfights in the first film were good, wait until you see this - there is more aerial pornography than in just about ANY First World War flick I've ever seen! It rivals The Dawn Patrol in terms of general swashbuckling, and at times it's very graphic - pilots are seen getting shot up in their cockpits, and they're not dribbling corn syrup out of their mouths, either!

The sad thing is that there was one rather distinguished pilot killed during the production of the film. Charles Boddington, who was a veteran of both The Blue Max and Darling Lili, was killed when his plane spun in at low level. His son regularly posts on the Key Publishing forums, and has quite rightly followed in his dad's footsteps. The aerial co-ordinator of the film, Lynn Garrison, is still with us, and occasionally posts over on the WW1 aviation forums.

Not a brilliant film, but fuck me is it entertaining!

Sadly this is the only clip I can find on YouTube (naturally saved in my favourites), but it gives you some idea of how this film was done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxWHdFAW2jI

No blue screen, no cockpit rigs and back projection - the actors are really in the cockpits, flying the aircraft!

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 1/7/2010 9:00:50 PM   
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I rented Fly-Boys on Blu-Ray and thoroughly enjoyed the aerial sequences and general story, but found myself strangely uninvolved with the characters and did not really care for them?

from reading reviews on Flyboys after watching it, this seems to be a general consensus

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 2/7/2010 11:40:35 AM   
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It'd be a better movie if you cuold actually feel something for the characters, but you just don't give a damn about them at all!

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 8/9/2010 4:04:05 PM   
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Head's up.  First Light is screening on BBC2, on Tuesday, 14th September.



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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 8/9/2010 4:54:19 PM   
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 But I did love it as a kid though

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RE: Fighter Pilot Films - 8/9/2010 5:24:33 PM   
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True, it does have some good points.

Erm....

Yeah!

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RE: The Battle of Britain - 24/9/2010 11:30:30 AM   
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Just watched The Battle of Britain (in line with the 70th anniversary celebrations). The aerial battles are amazing and it's a shame that any modern day equivalents are CGI'ed and done in a computer instead of putting pilots in actual planes and filming it.

Currently watching the retro 60s making of documentary!





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RE: The Battle of Britain - 24/9/2010 11:39:14 AM   
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Check this out then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD5WTJYvqaI#

There probably won't be many big war films made featuring real aircraft these days. I'm betting even Lucas's "Red Tails" will be mostly done on computers....

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RE: The Battle of Britain - 25/4/2011 10:41:44 PM   
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Just resurrecting this thread....

Have been watching mostly WW1 aviation films these days, as I love the lengths film-makers go to to get a squadron (or two!) of WW1 scout-types in front of the cameras - everything from scratch-building replicas of rare (or, in some cases, non-existant) airframes, to adapting airframes to look like something else...!

But, sad to say that WW1 aviation films vary in overall quality more than most. In terms of my favourites, they'd go something like this:

Aces High
The Dawn Patrol
Von Richthofen and Brown
The Blue Max
Wings
Zeppelin
Hell's Angels
Flyboys
The Red Baron
Darling Lili


I've not included Biggles - Adventures in Time, High Road to China or The Great Waldo Pepper, mainly as they're not strictly WW1-set.

Yes, Von Richthofen and Brown would be a controversial choice for 3rd place, as it's not exactly historically accurate(!), but it's the flying scenes that save this film - real aircraft, and real pilots, doing real manoeuvres. Not a glimpse of CGI shit anywhere.

If anyone's interested, I managed to unearth the ORIGINAL version of The Dawn Patrol (or Flight Commander as it became known) on YouTube recently. Haven't watched it yet, but I most certainly will...!

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RE: The Battle of Britain - 13/6/2011 3:06:49 PM   
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I can't believe I didn't spot this thread sooner! Thanks to Timon for mentioning it on the "Dambusters" thread in the future films section. I thought I was alone in the appreciation of fighter pilot films and any films to do with aircraft. I haven't ready all the pages here so I don't know whether the film titles I'll name have already been mentioned, but here we go.

"The Final Countdown" - A great film and the brief dogfight between the F-14s and the Zeros is definitely a must-watch!

"Invasion Earth" - Not a film but a series. I'm sure some remember it from 1998? It has a dogfight at the beginning. See it here:

Invasion Earth - Tornado F3 Intercept

I know "Behind Enemy Lines" has already been mentioned. Again it's a very good film with superb visual effects and really quite a visceral look at the situation then in the Balkans. Here's a sequence:

F-18 vs SAM

Lastly, this sequence from "633 Squadron":

633 Squadron Mosquito flight

Listen to the roar of the engines from 0:15. Pure 'mechogasm'!

I'm sure when I owned the 'Encarta' software by Microsoft, the encyclopaedia programme. There was a video clip on it from "Flight of the Intruder" where an American aircraft (the US Navy's A-6 Intruder?) has to dodge two SAM missiles. I seem to remember the scene being quite thrilling. Would anyone elaborate on it for me?

I've watched some documentaries on the History Channel about dogfights during the Korean War. I think it's fascinating as then jet warfare was very new. All they had were radar ranging gunsights, which were quite a clever idea. Apparently some MiG-15s were fitted with radar warning receivers!

Anyone yearn for fighter jet vs UFO dogfights? I really like the dogfights in "Independence Day" as I think the effects are still superb. I was disappointed that in "Battle: Los Angeles" we don't see much air-to-air action. Although there's a shot of an F-18 firing a missile at a hovering ship and you can see one section of it is on fire (which happens to be a detachable drone).


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RE: The Battle of Britain - 13/6/2011 10:58:51 PM   
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I haven't seen Flight of the Intruder for a while, but yes, the SAM sequence was in there. Superb film, too. My favourite scene is the Skyraider sequence towards the end.

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RE: The Battle of Britain - 14/6/2011 11:09:33 PM   
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Red Tails update....

With production beginning in the spring of 2009, it’s now two years since the George Lucas produced WWII film “Red Tails” first started rolling but it now appears to be headed to the finish line. Last week it was revealed that Terrence Blanchard had been hired to score the film and now a release date appears to be on the horizon.
The film’s director, “The Wire” and “Treme” veteran Anthony Hemingway sent out a tweet (via Variety) saying, “BTW, Red Tails hits screens January 2012.” When the trade pushed more details, Hemingway tweeted, “The official release date hasn’t been announced. Stay tuned…” So the long and short of it is: “Red Tails” is probably coming sometime in January (and what better way for Lucas to promote the glossy 3D-ized “Star Wars: Episode I—The Phantom Menace” which arrives in theaters the following month).
Starring Terrence Howard, NeYo, Andre Royo, Nate Parker, David Oyelowo, Cuba Gooding Jr., Bryan Cranston, Method Man, Tristan Wilds, Kevin Phillips, Rick Otto, Lee Tergesen, Elijah Kelley, Marcus T. Paulk, Leslie Odom Jr., Michael B. Jordan, Jazmine Sullivan, Edwina Finley, Daniela Ruah and Stacie Davis the film tells the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, the legendary group of African-American combat pilots in World War II. The production had access to mission logbooks and were able to interview surviving members of the original group of pilots, so hopefully this just won’t be an excuse for Lucas to CGI the shit out of some old timey war planes. But a January release puts this out of any awards possibilities it might have so we’ll have to wait and see what the end result is...

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