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Should Closer be sent down?


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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 28/2/2007 7:18:56 PM   
jellybumfruitcakes

 

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No way should it be shut down.
The internet chat between Dan and Larry is hilarious, tho Jude Law's character is annoying, whiney and unrealistic, and Portman's is naive for a stripper.
Clive Owen is the best thing in it, Larry is the most believeable character, yes even tho he's your average perv but there you are lol.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 1/3/2007 9:40:34 AM   
discodave101


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lydia_H

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ORIGINAL: discodave101

I absolutely love this film, and it really holds up on repeat viewings and allows you to further immerse yourself in the characters. I thought Natalie Portman's acting was outstanding, and I consider it her best work to date. The fact she also happens to be a stripper makes it all the better!

There's only one scene that didn't really work or make sense to me, and thats in the art gallery where owen touches portmans face very intimately without even knowing her at that point. Seemed a bit odd and out of place to me.

All in all an awesome movie and definitely one of the best of 2004. Whenever I flick onto it on Sky I can't turn over.

NOT GUILTY!



My thought was ... That Larry is a master of manipulation and has a meticulous eye for people. Obviously, he knows that Alice knows that something is happening between her Dan and his Anna ... Alice is the most vulnerable and sensitive of the characters and to Larry she reeks of desperation or sadness (She's smoking, on her own in what's a dark, isolated area, looking at a picture of herself crying ... and when she talks she a little childish and poisonous) ... Larry places her emotions as a consequence of Dan playing away, and must realize there's a possibility of a little sordid revenge bubbling between them ... But Larry has no intention of doing that, he's just confirming that if he wanted to, he could have Alice ... she isn't interested in revenge, she is too frightened even to approach Dan about his cheating (And naturally she doesn't want to discuss with Dan what may've been a little naughtiness with Larry later on), she just wants someone to cling onto, to take her away from her undernourished life as a stripper, she would give herself entirely to Larry if he demanded her. He perhaps knows this, and looking only for a one night stand (That maybe he can approach Anna with, instead he probably just makes something up later when he tells her he cheated on her)  he is satisfied in knowing he caused Alice to melt on the spot and beg him to take her away from Dan (She can't possibly leave him, she is scared that he may be her only opportunity...). Wonderful scene I thought

Anyway I haven't seen it in years so that's a bit of a rant But hopefully it adds up somehow




Thanks  Lydia_H, was hoping someone might reply on their thoughts to that scene. Still not sure myself, I'd have to watch the film and that scene again to remember. Would love to hear anyone elses thoughts on that scene too - if they agree or disagree with Lydia_H - or if, like me, they're just left a little bewildered.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 1/3/2007 1:25:23 PM   
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Whilst not the greatest film to be released that year i did quite enjoy it even though there are elements to the film which were poor. There was enough about it which would make me rewatch it and so to quote Kim Newman "If the film isn't shit, you must acquit it!" Therefore Not Guilty your honour!

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 1/3/2007 6:41:33 PM   
!!!


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quote:


My thought was ... That Larry is a master of manipulation and has a meticulous eye for people.


True.  He even describes her as sly later on.

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Obviously, he knows that Alice knows that something is happening between her Dan and his Anna ...


See, I don't buy this. Given how possessive Larry is it's not like he'd hang around flirting with Alice if he had any inkling at this stage. Later at the party he realises, note him looking for her with a frown on his face. I think he's just flirting and what's piqued his interest is the comment Alice made about Anna's photos.

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He perhaps knows this, and looking only for a one night stand (That maybe he can approach Anna with, instead he probably just makes something up later when he tells her he cheated on her)


No, I don't think he made up sleeping with someone else. As we see throughout the film, Larry isn't really capable of lying, not even to himself.

< Message edited by !!! -- 1/3/2007 6:42:04 PM >

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 1/3/2007 7:24:40 PM   
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See, I don't buy this. Given how possessive Larry is it's not like he'd hang around flirting with Alice if he had any inkling at this stage. Later at the party he realises, note him looking for her with a frown on his face. I think he's just flirting and what's piqued his interest is the comment Alice made about Anna's photos.


Course he is flirting, but when he asks Alice where her boyfriend is and she replies with something like 'Over there, with your  girlfriend' I thought it added a certain element to things and would've been an indication that she had reason to be a little miffed about Dan socializing with Anna. Besides, I think he'd have an inkling anyway, which is why he is flirting because an affair is an important part of his manipulation of Anna, who is the depressive (iirc Larry talks about Anna being a depressive when Dan confronts him in his office) and needs to feel guilty and indebted and unhappy to feel comfortable. With her affair looming over her, and Larry's compartive honesty and the perception that he was far more heartbroken over her affair than she was over his, she becomes the complaisant little woman that Larry wants to command and dominate and control, and so their relationship works, they both satisfy each other. I think Larry is cunning and perceptive and he would've had Anna pinged for what she was early on (Maybe as early as him embarrassing himself as a drooling pervert (whilst Anna was staring longingly at some fish on her own in the dark) and not having the rozzers called on him and ultimately having a nice chat and subsequent relationship), and decided that she would do something to try and spoil their relationship because she would need that.

Of course an affair is the best path for Anna for these ends, furthermore because ultimately she can feel bad about rejecting Dan and her relationship with him is perhaps further sustained by the fact she is also effecting Alice (It's interesting as well she photographs Alice crying because she knows about the affair, but still keeps that picture as one of her most prominent and an example of her whole body of work). Doesn't Larry also say the key to a relationship is compromise? Could he not have accepted Anna as a cheater knowing that ultimately this would give him a really loyal, submissive girlfriend/wife? Closer I thought was just about compatibility (And chance) and ultimately only Larry and Anna were compatible.

Perhaps there is a lot of assumption in that but I think the film welcomes it by leaving such significant periods of the various relationships a mystery. I love this film but I don't want to watch it again so forgive me if a few details of my argument are a little iffy




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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 1/3/2007 11:08:02 PM   
Juliette

 

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Natalie Portman pole dancing does not automatically mean a movie is good. Firstly, this argument only applies to straight, male viewers - less than 50% of the population. Secondly, a pole dancing scene that... appeals to a straight man, shall we say, is good erotica, not a good movie.

I saw Closer on stage and loathed it. Pretentious and dull. The movie is actually slightly better than the stage play - more intimate and better acted - but not enough. Guilty.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 2/3/2007 12:02:44 AM   
bub


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ORIGINAL: Juliette

Natalie Portman pole dancing does not automatically mean a movie is good. Firstly, this argument only applies to straight, male viewers - less than 50% of the population. Secondly, a pole dancing scene that... appeals to a straight man, shall we say, is good erotica, not a good movie.

I saw Closer on stage and loathed it. Pretentious and dull. The movie is actually slightly better than the stage play - more intimate and better acted - but not enough. Guilty.




I beg the differ.

Not Guilty.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 2/3/2007 10:40:38 AM   
theram05


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A tad up its own arse, and Julia is SO not good looking enough to play that role.

But Nat, dancing, prick teasing, saying fuck a lot, enough to make a grown man feel like a young boy exploring himself for the first time all over again.



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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 2/3/2007 3:56:10 PM   
domduck

 

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Closer bullies you into believing it's an intelligent, sophistocated, fresh and real riff on modern relationships, when actually it's an insipid slice of self-satisfied shit.
No-one talks like this: "I love you!"
"Where? Where do you love me?" Possibly because you would slap them.
And what kind of strip club always plays the same bloody Prodigy song over and over and over?
GUILTY!



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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 2/3/2007 5:16:36 PM   
tombo

 

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This is actually the first trial of a film I haven't loathed (Moulin Rouge is the only film I've actually walked out of - I only seriously considered sacking off Fight Club).

Mannered  - yes
Stagey       - yes
Guilty         - no

I actually found it quite difficult to watch, but only because it got a genuine emotional response. You don't get that too often and when you do it should be celebrated.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 2/3/2007 6:51:47 PM   
PatBateman

 

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ORIGINAL: Juliette

Firstly, this argument only applies to straight, male viewers - less than 50% of the population.



That's a big assumption to make. Not all straight men would have liked that scene, and I think it's a tough scene to look at purely in terms of it's titillation.

Plus you ignored the lesbians. But that's presumptive too. I personally think it's a very realistic, obviously staged and stylized, look at relationships. It's hard to watch sometimes and that's a sign of an observant writer.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 2/3/2007 8:13:05 PM   
Natbyrne

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: domduck

Closer bullies you into believing it's an intelligent, sophistocated, fresh and real riff on modern relationships, when actually it's an insipid slice of self-satisfied shit.
No-one talks like this: "I love you!"
"Where? Where do you love me?" Possibly because you would slap them.
And what kind of strip club always plays the same bloody Prodigy song over and over and over?
GUILTY!



Well put -

Although, I'd almost say its too mediocre to be guilty of crimes against cinema....
And it has one redeeming feature - Clive Owen.............
That said, it takes itself way too seriously and is incredibly pretentious!

Couldn't stand it.......Guilty!

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 2/3/2007 10:49:49 PM   
certificate18

 

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Closer has a blistering script and a compelling cast of desperate self-destructive characters.  It's Natalie Portman's finest role since Leon and Jude Law has never played himself with such distinction.  Plus it has that fantastic score starting with The Blower's Daughter by Damien Rice.  I loved it and I'm shocked Empire even considered it for a guilty/not guilty vote.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 3/3/2007 12:31:43 PM   
godzilavskennyrogers

 

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Oh man,a middle class people have problems drama,thats refreshing(!),god its like when lock stock came out and all these crappy rip offs showed up.Since the Royal Tennenbaums there has been a glut of posh,middle class,home counties twats,artistic gays have problems too flicks .Don't forget the cutting edge soundtracks from Warp,Ninja et al. with some acoustic numbers by an Q magazine fave(i.e. dadrock) and mix it together for..................3 star movies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!God help us.Empire should stamp these out and get on with the big hollywood question...what is Rambo's hairstyle going to be like in the new movie ?

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 3/3/2007 2:41:01 PM   
john.sharman27

 

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This was meant as a stage play,written by a good playwright, Marber. This was a terrible film,lacklustre and dull. Only Clive Owen had any passion and Natalie Portman was scintillating. Jude Law and Julia Roberts phoned in virtual reality performances because they make so many films due more to subservient casting directors than to any real talent.Does any blood flow through their veins?

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 3/3/2007 4:27:33 PM   
makashkash

 

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definetly not guilty...

show me one adult who hasn't been through something similar and  i'll prove to both they're in denial...

i do agree though, it does seem like it doesn't need an audience, all the better for it... what a nice break from all the other needy movies...

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 5/3/2007 10:16:06 AM   
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GUILTY, so far up its own ass i actually started to gag. Natalie Portman is the only actor to come out of this tripe with any real credibility.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 5/3/2007 2:00:24 PM   
dunkah


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One of the best and most brutally honest portrayals of jealousy ive ever seen in a movie. Not guilty. Now fuck off and die you fucked up slag..

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 5/3/2007 4:25:46 PM   
!!!


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ORIGINAL: dunkah

One of the best and most brutally honest portrayals of jealousy ive ever seen in a movie. Not guilty. Now fuck off and die you fucked up slag..


Best line in a film ever.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 5/3/2007 11:18:34 PM   
PatBateman

 

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ORIGINAL: oddzag

GUILTY, so far up its own ass i actually started to gag. Natalie Portman is the only actor to come out of this tripe with any real credibility.


Without being rude, you're 17. It's a realistic portrayal of jealousy and relationships.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 6/3/2007 1:56:56 PM   
elliotgrieve

 

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A resounding Not Guilty.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 6/3/2007 2:17:25 PM   
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Guilty!
Watch Niel Labutes "Your Friends and Nieghbors" and see a much better disection of Relationships.  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119517/

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 6/3/2007 3:21:09 PM   
Flaygor

 

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Mmmmm although i'm wan't to dislike anything with Julia Roberts in it (she is just not good looking, and irratates beyond belief in most of the crap she pollutes). But this is one of the instances where her presence is not enough to bollox it up. Not guilty.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 7/3/2007 5:28:47 PM   
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I was actually shocked that a few issues ago, Empire put the scene with terrible language in as the 'classic scene' at the back. It was sick, pretentious, and doesn't deserve the respect and praise it earned. Guilty.

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 7/3/2007 7:08:48 PM   
lennybaby_2000

 

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Send it down and bang it up! One of the worst films I have ever endured. It had the most self-consciously tortured dialogue, where mis-judged feistyness and sexiness was sledge-hammered into every agonising scene. Pretentious scriptwriting at its most dire, this film strives so desperately to be searing, honest and insightful,  and succeeds only in being crass and grotty. A genuinely awful film.  Good cast, but it says little for their taste or intelligence that they would read this script and go "...yeah. This script is just really real, man..." I spent two hours of my life on this crud. I DEMAND them back!

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 7/3/2007 7:43:48 PM   
swordsandsandals


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COME ON PEOPLE! Guilty!!!!

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 7/3/2007 8:47:31 PM   
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Yay! It's winning by miles!  I think there are some haters are digging out some of their other Empire accounts 

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 9/3/2007 8:14:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: john.sharman27

This was meant as a stage play,written by a good playwright, Marber. This was a terrible film,lacklustre and dull. Only Clive Owen had any passion and Natalie Portman was scintillating. Jude Law and Julia Roberts phoned in virtual reality performances because they make so many films due more to subservient casting directors than to any real talent.Does any blood flow through their veins?


Spot on. What a lazy adaptation/cynically packaged turkey. Yeah some of the dialogue is good - you'd hope so from a play wouldnt you - but it fails to become a film, just a filmed play. Yeah Portman rocks and Owen is great but this is only really average and so smug it makes me a little sick. Guilty, guilty guilty.


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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 11/3/2007 7:40:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lydia_H

Yay! It's winning by miles!  I think there are some haters are digging out some of their other Empire accounts 


Good idea Lydia

*puts on a fake tash and wig*

I think eeet iz guilty

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RE: Should Closer be sent down? - 17/3/2007 11:34:16 PM   
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God - I hated this film!  I really don;t see what all the fuss over it is about.

I've seen it once at the cinema and struggled to sit through it

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