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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 5/4/2007 5:12:58 PM   
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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 5/4/2007 5:27:49 PM   
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Very good.

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 11/4/2007 7:22:26 PM   
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So Obama and Clinton pulling out of the Faux, oops I mean Fox, News debate with the Congressional Black Caucus.  Good or bad move?  Personally although the CBC might give Obama stick about it its a good move.  Fox News is obviously of Republican bias despite their 'fair and balanced news' slogan and whoever's watched The O'Reilly Factor will see this.  Keep the Democrats on side which is what they need-not do a Hillary and try and please everyone by changing your stance on policies for different audiences. 

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 11/4/2007 7:26:01 PM   
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They had to pull out other wise they would have taken a huge hit from the grassroots, which is what will win them the early primaries. Edwards had already announced a while ago he was pulling out and had garnered huge support because of it. Obama followed and Clinton (like a sheep) was left with no choice but to do so as well. John Edwards definately comes out on top in this one as he lead the charge to marginalise Fox News and everyone else followed.

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 13/4/2007 1:27:17 PM   
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Why would Obama do such a thing?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/12/open-thread-444/

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 13/4/2007 7:45:41 PM   
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Why would Obama do such a thing?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/12/open-thread-444/


Faux News really are disgusting.

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 14/4/2007 2:44:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LB Jeffries

quote:

ORIGINAL: Woger

Why would Obama do such a thing?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/12/open-thread-444/


Faux News really are disgusting.


Agreed; that is blatent propaganda on the same level as a dictator state. Jesus they make me angry!

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 14/4/2007 5:17:33 PM   
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Noth shocking at all.....Fox news have been playing this game for years.

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 14/4/2007 7:09:49 PM   
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So I somehow put my West Wing mini essay in this thread. Whoops.

I will say good on Obama for getting out of the Fox debates - they know he draws a big audience. The petty things they are doing are becoming tiresome and the best way to fight it is to stop giving them attention. There are few people in the world I dislike, but Murdoch is one.

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 16/4/2007 11:42:39 AM   
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And the latest numbers from....er.......MySpace are in folks!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/story/0,,2058023,00.html

Is this likely to cause anybody concern?  If the results get a lot of press then coudl it actually have an effect on the result?

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Presidential race tightens... - 17/4/2007 1:15:37 PM   
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From CNN.com:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain has slashed Rudy Giuliani's double-digit lead by 10 points, but the GOP picture gets muddier if former Sen. Fred Thompson or former House Speaker Newt Gingrich enters the race, according to a CNN poll gauging the popularity of 2008 presidential hopefuls.
Giuliani, the former New York mayor, had a healthy 16-point lead over the Arizona senator last month, but that has dwindled to six points -- that is, if either Thompson or Gingrich enters the race.
Should they both toss their hats in the ring, Giuliani's lead over McCain drops to three points, 27 percent to 24 percent.
Analysts say McCain may have been buoyed by an April 11 speech at the Virginia Military Institute, in which he declared full support for President Bush's plan to send additional troops to Iraq. Giuliani may have taken a hit in the polls as questions continue to arise about his stances on abortion, gay rights and gun rights.
The CNN poll was conducted Tuesday through Thursday by Opinion Research Corp. Pollsters quizzed 1,218 registered voters, including 498 who call themselves Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents and 368 Republicans or Republican-leaning independents.
The Democratic survey has a sampling error of 4 percentage points; the GOP survey's sampling error is 5 percentage points.
The poll shows that voters would give substantial support to Thompson or Gingrich if they decided to enter.
Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee who has played a district attorney on three episodes of NBC's "Law & Order," would snare 11 percent of the vote (12 percent if Gingrich decides not to enter) if he announced a 2008 presidential bid.
Gingrich, on the other hand, would take 8 percent of the vote (10 percent without Thompson in the race) if he entered the running.
Gingrich has said he will announce whether he will run in September, while Thompson has said he is eyeing a presidential bid and will appear Wednesday on Capitol Hill with about 50 GOP lawmakers who would support his candidacy.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who led Republican hopefuls in first-quarter fundraising with $23 million, slid into the No. 4 spot -- between Thompson and Gingrich -- with 10 percent of the vote.
Nine GOP candidates placed behind Gingrich and each earned 2 percent or less of the vote. Thirteen percent of Republicans polled said they were unsure who they would vote for.
 
On the Democratic side of the ticket, Sen. Barack Obama has slashed Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead to single digits, according to the poll, but not because support for the former first lady is waning.
The New York senator still earns 36 percent of the vote, compared to 37 percent in a poll last month, but Obama, the freshman senator from Illinois, saw his support jump from 22 percent last month to 28 percent this month.
The poll suggests a generational divide may be emerging in the Democratic race, according to CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider.
"Clinton's lead comes from blacks, older Democrats and those who did not go to college -- traditional Democrats," Schneider said.
Obama's supporters, however, are more likely to want to change the direction of the Democratic Party, Schneider said.
"Obama does best among younger, college educated Democrats -- those who distrust the establishment," Schneider said.
Bringing up the rear is former North Carolina senator and vice presidential candidate John Edwards, who earned 15 percent of the vote. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and retired Gen. Wesley Clark each earned three percent of the vote, while the remaining four hopefuls failed to snare more than 1 percent of the vote.
Seven percent of Democrats polled said they were unsure who they would vote for.
However, just like with Republicans, the inclusion of a well-known politico in the race could make the Democratic picture murkier. If former Vice President Al Gore enters the race -- although he has said repeatedly that he has no plans to -- support for Clinton, Obama and Edwards drops.
Obama and Edwards would see marginal drops in support, but Clinton would see her support decline from 36 percent to 30 percent, according to the poll. Gore, the 2000 Democratic nominee who won the popular vote but fell short in Electoral College votes, would draw 15 percent of the ballots if he entered the race, the poll states.
Clinton has an 11-point edge over Obama with black voters, and a recent poll suggests that may be directly related to her husband. In a recent poll that showed 50 percent of whites were glad that former President Bill Clinton was no longer in office, only 2 percent of blacks polled gave the same response. Ninety-six percent of blacks said they missed the former president.
"The name 'Clinton' remains a powerful draw among African-Americans," Schneider said.
Obama's share of the black vote has grown since last month, but last week's poll showed that 88 percent of blacks felt Clinton understood the problems they face, while only 77 percent said the same of Obama. Those questions had a sampling error of 6 percentage points.

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Fred Thompson - Republican Saviour? - 19/4/2007 1:58:25 PM   
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From the Associated Press:
 
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WASHINGTON — The welcome for Fred Thompson wasn't just warm, it was effusive. The former Tennessee senator and actor is still weighing whether to run for the GOP presidential nomination but House Republicans who met with him Wednesday gushed over the prospects of Thompson candidacy.
They called him presidential, a leader, a proven conservative, an exciting prospect and "a breath of fresh air."
"I wanted to come over and see some of my old friends and make some new friends and tell them what was on my mind and listen and to see what was on their minds," Thompson said in a brief statement to reporters camped outside the Capitol Hill Club.
"We had a good talk. I enjoyed it, and we'll be seeing some more of each other I'm sure," added Thompson, the actor who plays the gruff district attorney Arthur Branch on NBC's "Law & Order."
Before ducking into a waiting vehicle, he shook his head no when asked whether he had a timeline for deciding whether to run for president. Thompson has appeared to move closer to a candidacy in recent weeks. Last week, he disclosed that he was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a form of cancer, nearly three years ago but now is in remission.
Some 50 House Republicans attended the private meeting arranged by Rep. Zach Wamp of Tennessee, a Republican leading a draft-Thompson campaign.
Several lawmakers who were there said Thompson indicated that while he was seriously considering a candidacy, he had not decided whether to run. They said he talked about his life and answered questions. A handful of lawmakers said they encouraged him to run and told him they'd endorse him if he officially enters the race.
"He was called presidential, and he was. He was told he was electable, and he is," Wamp said.
Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, R-Ga., said: "there was a breath of fresh air in the room today," while Rep. Steve Buyer, R-Ind., added: "he spoke as though he was a president." Rep. David Davis, R-Tenn., said people are looking for a candidate with a proven conservative voting record and "Fred Thompson's the man."
Even those congressmen who wouldn't yet commit offered praise.
"Very impressive," said Rep. Adam Putnam, R-Fla. "He has the charisma and the fortitude to lead our nation at what is a very difficult time." And Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., called Thompson a straight shooter, and said: "I'm looking for somebody that can excite America again."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson



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RE: Fred Thompson - Republican Saviour? - 19/4/2007 2:24:15 PM   
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Wasn't he in Die Hard 2?

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 19/4/2007 2:34:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LB Jeffries

*****WEST WING SEASON 6 & 7 SPOILERS BELOW*****

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After watching all 7 series of The West Wing in about 3 months, I'm quite excited about this.
Although admittedly I have no idea who is up for election.
Can we have a quick Beginners Guide run-down of who is in what camp please. Who's Santos and who's Vinick in other words
Ooops, spoiler there



DEMOCRATS
 
Hillary Clinton (John Hoynes) Huge warchest, presumptive nominee, establishment, trying to drag the party to the centre.
Barack Obama (Jed Bartlett) Outsider, not expected to win nomination as Clinton has the money, contacts and infrastructure in place. The 'inspiring' choice.
John Edwards (Matthew Santos) Expected to be one of the also-rans who could snag a VP spot like he did 4 years ago on Kerry's ticket. Not be under-estimated as has huge netroots following.

REPUBLICANS
 
Rudy Guiliani (Arnold Vinick) Liberal Republican, in favour of gun-control, abortion-rights and same-sex civil unions. A VERY strong contender if he can get through the bloody Republican primaries without having give in too much to the evangelicals. Has started to do that, though (think when Vinick caves in to them on conservative judges).

Other Republican contenders are Sen. John McCain and Mitt Romney. Both are currently selling their soul to the hard-right of the Republican Party and neither is worthy of the Oval Office.




Thanks mate, makes a lot more sense now.........so who's Oliver Babish?


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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 19/4/2007 2:38:23 PM   
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Gooo JED!!!!!!  Sorry Obama

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RE: Fred Thompson - Republican Saviour? - 19/4/2007 2:38:34 PM   
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quote:

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Wasn't he in Die Hard 2?


Think he was one of the air traffic controller fellas.

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RE: Fred Thompson - Republican Saviour? - 20/4/2007 3:36:25 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme

Wasn't he in Die Hard 2?


Think he was one of the air traffic controller fellas.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000669/

His movies include Fat Man and Little Boy, The Hunt For Red October, Die Hard II, Cape Fear and In The Line of Fire. As well as having a recurring role in over a hundred episodes of Law & Order and it's various incarnations.

I think he could be a part of a Republican dream ticket - Giuliani/Thompson 08. Guiliani picks up the moderate Republican vote as well as plenty of Independents (even some of the centre-left) and Thompson would energise their base who don't really like any of the nominees so far.

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Gore Campaign Team Assembles.... - 22/4/2007 3:56:52 PM   
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From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

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Friends of Al Gore have secretly started assembling a campaign team in preparation for the former American vice-president to make a fresh bid for the White House.

Two members of Mr Gore's staff from his unsuccessful attempt in 2000 say they have been approached to see if they would be available to work with him again.

Mr Gore, President Bill Clinton's deputy, has said he wants to concentrate on publicising the need to combat climate change, a case made in his film, An Inconvenient Truth, which won him an Oscar this year.

But, aware that he may step into the wide open race for the White House, former strategists are sounding out a shadow team that could run his campaign at short notice. In approaching former campaign staff, including political strategists and communications officials, they are making clear they are not acting on formal instructions from Mr Gore, 59, but have not been asked to stop.

His denials of interest in the presidency have been couched in terms of "no plans" or "no intention" - politically ambiguous language that does not rule out a run.

One of his former campaign team said: "I was asked whether I would be available towards the end of the year if I am needed. They know he has not ruled out running and if he decides to jump in, he will have to move very fast.

"He hasn't asked them to do this, but nor has he told them not to."

In an interview on Thursday, which touched on the prospects for next year's presidential election, Mr Clinton commented: "You've got the prospect that Vice-President Gore might run."

The most recent opinion polls show Mr Gore as third favourite to take the Democratic nomination, on about 17 per cent support, only a whisker behind Barack Obama, 45, who is aiming to become the first black US president, and ahead of John Edwards, 53, the senator whose wife was recently diagnosed with cancer.

Vice-President Gore's allies believe that Hillary Clinton, 59, the frontrunner, is unable to win the presidency. The most recent poll shows a growing number of voters think negatively of her, in contrast to Mr Gore, who enjoys far greater popularity than when he lost the 2000 presidential race despite polling more votes nationally than the eventual winner, George W Bush.

The second aide approached by Vice-President Gore's allies said: "There is no love lost between Gore and Hillary. They don't think she can win and they're probably right. If Gore runs, he's got a really good chance of getting the nomination. And he has a good chance of pulling off the election, too."

Gore-watchers believe that a new book he is publishing next month on the state of US politics will keep his name in the public eye. Many of his supporters helped to run the unsuccessful presidential campaign of John Kerry in 2004. But since Sen Kerry abandoned his presidential aspirations this year, many of his leading advisers have yet to align themselves with any of the other candidates.

They were expected to join the campaign of Sen Edwards, who was Sen Kerry's running mate last time.

The former aide, who has himself signed up with Sen Edwards, said: "The question is: where have all the Kerry people gone? The answer for most of them is nowhere. Now ask yourself why."

Among the senior officials not yet committed is Michael Whouley, who was national field director for the successful Clinton-Gore 1992 presidential campaign, national campaign manager for Mr Gore when he stood for re-election as vice-president in 1996, and then a senior adviser to Mr Gore in 2000.

Considered one of the most talented Democratic "ground war" experts, he masterminded John Kerry's political resurrection in the New Hampshire presidential primary three years ago, putting him on course for the nomination. Last year, he oversaw the Democratic victory in the mid-term elections.

Two months ago, a former Gore aide, Elaine Kamarck, convened a group of former aides in Boston to consider the possibilities of a Gore campaign.

James Carville, President Clinton's former strategy chief, suggested last week that Mr Gore, who has piled on the pounds, could shed weight over the summer to make himself more media-friendly for a White House run.

"I wouldn't be surprised if he lost 15lb or so," said Mr Carville. "And I think if people thought he could get us out of the mess we're in with Iraq, they wouldn't care how fat he is."

A poll of leading Democratic and Republican strategists found that one in four thought Mr Gore would emerge a strong contender. "He already has emerged - he just has to announce," a Democrat told the magazine Opinion Journal.

A Republican said: "Gore could be the toughest Democrat to beat."

At least eight websites are campaigning to "Draft Gore" into the election. More than 70,000 people have signed an online petition, and more than 120 groups of Gore supporters meet each month around the country to promote the case for a Gore presidency. One website offers the chance to download a song called Run Al, Run!


I would be very excited about a Gore/Obama ticket.
Run Al, Run!


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Obama takes black support from Clinton - 24/4/2007 5:01:37 PM   
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From The New York Times:

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Only a few months ago, the vast majority of black elected officials in New York were expected to support the presidential candidacy of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. But no longer.

In a series of interviews, a significant number of those officials now say they are undecided about whether to back Mrs. Clinton or one of her main rivals for the Democratic nomination, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the only black politician in the race.

The officials described themselves as impressed with the strength of Mr. Obama's campaign in recent weeks, saying it reflected a grass-roots enthusiasm for Mr. Obama that many noticed among black voters in their own districts. And that could signal trouble for Mrs. Clinton, forcing her to devote precious attention to her home state, where blacks made up 20 percent of the Democratic primary vote in 2004, just as she has had to scramble to keep black support nationwide.

Facing a potential drift of black support, the Clinton campaign has recently taken several steps: dispatching former President Bill Clinton to speak before black and Hispanic lawmakers in Albany earlier this year, and then to address the Rev. Al Sharpton's group, the National Action Network, in New York last week; using Bill Lynch, who was a top political adviser to former Mayor David N. Dinkins, to corral black support in New York City; and enlisting heavyweights from the black political establishment like Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, to help Mrs. Clinton court black leaders.

Many black New York officials have strongly supported Mrs. Clinton — not to mention her husband, starting with her first Senate campaign in 2000, when she was still in the White House and had only just established residency in the state.

But these officials said it had become increasingly clear to them that Mr. Obama, who has barely campaigned in New York, is no mere flash in the pan, and seems to possess the public approval ratings and campaign war chest needed to compete in a presidential contest.

"I would have supported Hillary if it were not for Barack Obama,” said Assemblyman Adam Clayton Powell IV, a leading figure in Harlem who said he had yet to make an endorsement. "He can identify with my African-American community in a way that no other candidate can.” Assemblywoman Crystal D. Peoples, who represents Buffalo, and who has been contacted by one of Mrs. Clinton's top political lieutenants, said she was similarly divided. "It's a very difficult decision,” Ms. Peoples said. "I'll really do a lot of soul-searching on this one.”

Assemblyman N. Nick Perry, Democrat of Brooklyn, said many black politicians were mindful of what happened in 1988, when overwhelmingly large numbers of black primary voters in New York supported the presidential candidacy of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, to the surprise of black politicians who supported his rivals. He said that "there was a lot of atoning that had to be done” afterward among those politicians.

"This is bigger than Jesse Jackson,” Mr. Perry, who remained undecided, said of Mr. Obama's candidacy. "When you look at Obama, his potential seems quite explosive.”

It is still early in the campaign, and Mrs. Clinton, whose political operation is aggressive and wide-reaching in the state, has plenty of time to consolidate her support among black New York leaders.

Speaking on behalf of the Clinton campaign, Representative Gregory W. Meeks, Democrat of New York, acknowledged that Mr. Obama had stirred "an element of ethnic pride” among black elected officials. But in the end, Mr. Meeks said, Mrs. Clinton's years of experience in the White House and in the Senate gave her an edge over Mr. Obama.

Perhaps the most important figure working to round up black support for Mrs. Clinton has been Mr. Rangel, the leading elected official in New York's black political establishment.

Mr. Rangel, of Harlem, an early and important supporter of Mrs. Clinton's first Senate campaign, invited black leaders in Upper Manhattan to a meeting in recent weeks, where Mrs. Clinton made a direct appeal for their support — even as she took a moment to praise Mr. Obama, according to one person who attended the event.

Assemblyman Keith L. T. Wright of Harlem, who attended the meeting and is undecided about the race, said Mr. Rangel "feels ownership” in Mrs. Clinton because of his past association with her and was "working overtime” to round up support for her presidential campaign.

"That's quite formidable,” Mr. Wright said, referring to the clout Mr. Rangel brings in championing Mrs. Clinton's cause.

And yet Mr. Wright, who is close to Mr. Rangel, acknowledged that "there is some conflict” among black leaders now that there is a choice between Mrs. Clinton, a longtime ally, and Mr. Obama.

"I'm certainly undecided right now,” Mr. Wright said, adding that Mr. Obama's "candidacy is making me quite proud.”

In an interview, Mr. Rangel sought to play down the situation, and pointedly noted that he did not know of any elected official in New York who had actually endorsed Mr. Obama, though he acknowledged that Mr. Obama had substantial support in the state based on the money he has raised there.

"Everyone I talk with supports her,” said Mr. Rangel, who talks up Mrs. Clinton's candidacy in television and radio appearances and who attends fund-raisers on her behalf. "I don't know Obama supporters in New York.”

As for black leaders in New York who have not already backed her, Mr. Rangel seemed to suggest it was just a matter of time before they did. "There are a lot of people who are just waiting for her to ask them,” Mr. Rangel said, referring to Mrs. Clinton. But the fence-sitting among these black leaders is a potentially troubling sign for Mrs. Clinton, who, like Bill Clinton, has long enjoyed considerable support among blacks, who are a crucial component of her home-state base.

The vacillation among black leaders in New York was all the more striking as neither Mr. Obama nor his advisers appeared to be spending much, if any, time in the state trying to round up their support before the Feb. 5 primary.

Indeed, many of the leaders interviewed said they had not heard from Mr. Obama or officials in his campaign, though the state had moved its primary to the first Tuesday in February from the first Tuesday in March.

Mr. Obama even turned down a recent invitation to address the New York State Legislature's black and Hispanic caucus. Still, in some cases, the political leaders said they had been hearing from constituents who support Obama.

Assemblyman Jeffrion L. Aubry of Queens said he had not endorsed Mrs. Clinton, though her camp had reached out to him, while Mr. Obama's had not. He said that while Mrs. Clinton was "connected in special ways to the minority community,” Mr. Obama's candidacy had profound appeal as well.

"His presence as a legitimate black politician at a national level brings a certain pride,” Mr. Aubry said. "It makes you have to make a choice.”

State Senator Kevin S. Parker, Democrat of Brooklyn, said he thought the "vast majority” of black leaders in New York would have already backed Mrs. Clinton if not for Mr. Obama.

"I do share the view that it has been complicated by Senator Obama's presence,” Mr. Parker said, of the decision about whom to endorse. "I think people are split.”

Even Mr. Rangel, in the interview, acknowledged having "a lot of racial pride and identification” with Mr. Obama's candidacy, and noted that he had actually encouraged Mr. Obama to run for president.


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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 26/4/2007 9:25:28 AM   
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McCain gets a grilling on The Daily Show.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/25/senator-mccain-on-the-daily-show/

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RE: Round 1 To Obama - 26/4/2007 9:49:37 AM   
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Why would Obama do such a thing?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/12/open-thread-444/


I've not been on this thread for a while but this is shocking Fox have been a republican base for years, they should really be ashamed. So what's been going on can someone give me a quick run down.

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 26/4/2007 12:42:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Woger

McCain gets a grilling on The Daily Show.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/25/senator-mccain-on-the-daily-show/


Yeah, the very fact he was once a popular and well like guest and is now at this point shows just how much the man has compromised himself to the right. When he wouldn't stop talking and started down the 'if you dont support the surge you dont support the troops' line he got pasted on it, there was no coming back for him once Jon called the audience patriots.

You wonder what would happen if the real press did their job as well as this comedy show does for them.

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 10:15:52 AM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2066861,00.html

First round to Clinton it would seem.  Too early for anything to be decisive but this is where her long political experience is really going to be a boost.

Still no sign of Gore announcing.

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 1:13:18 PM   
Rgirvan44


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ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2066861,00.html

First round to Clinton it would seem.  Too early for anything to be decisive but this is where her long political experience is really going to be a boost.

Still no sign of Gore announcing.


The important thing to notice is that the picture only has her and Obama in it - thats good news for him as it suggests Edwards and the others are getting pushed aside. Also - its far too early for any of this to have an impact, it was a pre season game so to speak.

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 2:35:42 PM   
LB Jeffries


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2066861,00.html

First round to Clinton it would seem.  Too early for anything to be decisive but this is where her long political experience is really going to be a boost.

Still no sign of Gore announcing.


The important thing to notice is that the picture only has her and Obama in it - thats good news for him as it suggests Edwards and the others are getting pushed aside. Also - its far too early for any of this to have an impact, it was a pre season game so to speak.


I wouldn't read too much into the picture to be honest - it's from a British paper that doesn't realise Edwards popularity among grassroots Democrats (those who'll decide the early primaries). In recent polling between the two party's front-runners Obama didn't do as well as Edwards. All three of the main Dem candidates (Clinton, Obama, Edwards) beat Republican candidates Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mitt Romney in head-to-head match-ups. But only Clinton and Edwards beat Guiliani - Obama didn't.

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 2:49:52 PM   
Rgirvan44


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LB Jeffries

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2066861,00.html

First round to Clinton it would seem.  Too early for anything to be decisive but this is where her long political experience is really going to be a boost.

Still no sign of Gore announcing.


The important thing to notice is that the picture only has her and Obama in it - thats good news for him as it suggests Edwards and the others are getting pushed aside. Also - its far too early for any of this to have an impact, it was a pre season game so to speak.


I wouldn't read too much into the picture to be honest - it's from a British paper that doesn't realise Edwards popularity among grassroots Democrats (those who'll decide the early primaries). In recent polling between the two party's front-runners Obama didn't do as well as Edwards. All three of the main Dem candidates (Clinton, Obama, Edwards) beat Republican candidates Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mitt Romney in head-to-head match-ups. But only Clinton and Edwards beat Guiliani - Obama didn't.


The thing is I can't see Guliani getting the ticket. Too moderate for the far right who have hijacked the party and too many skeletons in his closet to appeal to those in the centre. I have a feeling they may just go with McCain, but he will be shot down. I agree it will be a three way race but to be honest only Clinton is the one with everything to lose. Im sure Edwards and Obama are looking at each other and seeing VP material, doubt either would consider Clinton. Hopefully the field will narrow down somewhat for the next round of debates.

The Democrats are actully in an excellent position, hope they don't ruin it by petty infighting!

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 2:55:32 PM   
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The thing is I can't see Guliani getting the ticket. Too moderate for the far right who have hijacked the party and too many skeletons in his closet to appeal to those in the centre. I have a feeling they may just go with McCain, but he will be shot down. I agree it will be a three way race but to be honest only Clinton is the one with everything to lose. Im sure Edwards and Obama are looking at each other and seeing VP material, doubt either would consider Clinton. Hopefully the field will narrow down somewhat for the next round of debates.

The Democrats are actully in an excellent position, hope they don't ruin it by petty infighting!




was that intentional?

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 3:02:01 PM   
LB Jeffries


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

quote:

ORIGINAL: LB Jeffries

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovebeerme

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2066861,00.html

First round to Clinton it would seem.  Too early for anything to be decisive but this is where her long political experience is really going to be a boost.

Still no sign of Gore announcing.


The important thing to notice is that the picture only has her and Obama in it - thats good news for him as it suggests Edwards and the others are getting pushed aside. Also - its far too early for any of this to have an impact, it was a pre season game so to speak.


I wouldn't read too much into the picture to be honest - it's from a British paper that doesn't realise Edwards popularity among grassroots Democrats (those who'll decide the early primaries). In recent polling between the two party's front-runners Obama didn't do as well as Edwards. All three of the main Dem candidates (Clinton, Obama, Edwards) beat Republican candidates Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mitt Romney in head-to-head match-ups. But only Clinton and Edwards beat Guiliani - Obama didn't.


The thing is I can't see Guliani getting the ticket. Too moderate for the far right who have hijacked the party and too many skeletons in his closet to appeal to those in the centre. I have a feeling they may just go with McCain, but he will be shot down. I agree it will be a three way race but to be honest only Clinton is the one with everything to lose. Im sure Edwards and Obama are looking at each other and seeing VP material, doubt either would consider Clinton. Hopefully the field will narrow down somewhat for the next round of debates.

The Democrats are actully in an excellent position, hope they don't ruin it by petty infighting!


I agree that Guiliani's positions on gun-control, gay-rights and his personal history could torpedo him in the Republican primaries but the Republican Party aren't stupid. Their nightmare is Clinton becoming President and they will stop at nothing to prevent that. I think Giuliani is the only one that could win it for them in the current US political climate so they may well plump for him with a more conservative VP like Fred Thompson.

As for the opening Dem debate - it wasn't really one was it? Sixty-second answers to thirty-second questions. The field is too big right now (the Republican field is even bigger) and things won't get serious until the autumn - remember the Primaries don't start until next February!

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 3:04:13 PM   
Rgirvan44


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ORIGINAL: Chief Wiggum

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

The thing is I can't see Guliani getting the ticket. Too moderate for the far right who have hijacked the party and too many skeletons in his closet to appeal to those in the centre. I have a feeling they may just go with McCain, but he will be shot down. I agree it will be a three way race but to be honest only Clinton is the one with everything to lose. Im sure Edwards and Obama are looking at each other and seeing VP material, doubt either would consider Clinton. Hopefully the field will narrow down somewhat for the next round of debates.

The Democrats are actully in an excellent position, hope they don't ruin it by petty infighting!




was that intentional?


Would you believe me if I said it really wasn't?

This is like the time I wrote an essay at uni about Lincon becoming president and starting it off by saying "The Lincon adminsitration did not wish to have a gun put at its head"

Ah well, no use taking it back now.

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RE: Obama takes black support from Clinton - 27/4/2007 6:30:15 PM   
Rgirvan44


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Interesting poll result I found from America

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=ba1ebc70-a734-4185-8532-2e4a9ba45d96

Obama - 31%
Clinton - 24%
Edwards - 14%

So even with the usual 3% margin or error Obama is placed bang on with Clinton. However like we have said its still a long long time till the primaries.

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