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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 1:35:16 PM   
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I think the main problem polarisation is higher than it has ever been and hence Obama was hobbled by the Republicans being able to put a hold on pretty much anything he attempted to do whether they agreed with it or not. His failings are not really from his own camp but from the inability to get anything passed.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 1:42:18 PM   
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Yes but their is a reason for that. The decision to bump Healthcare up the list plus the breakdown of the Budget ceiling discussions meant that he was always going to be hamstrung. Some think it's a price worth paying for Healthcare and some think that had he employed a bit more realpolitik he could have introduced a watered down version and still got other stuff done.


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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 1:58:59 PM   
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One upside of an Obama win is the implosion of the current Republican party and the possibility of a sane one emerging to counter the hoplesness of the Democrats. I can't see how this current version of the Republican party can continue, you only had to look at the primaries, who can run in 2016?

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 2:11:20 PM   
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Chris Christie is a lock barring a major fuck up.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 2:39:25 PM   
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Not after his embracing of Obama during the hurricane, the GOP is not a rational party at the minute.
My predictions for the next four years; implosion of the GOP or some purge, Hillary Clinton working her way for 2016.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 3:21:38 PM   
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quote:

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One upside of an Obama win is the implosion of the current Republican party and the possibility of a sane one emerging to counter the hoplesness of the Democrats. I can't see how this current version of the Republican party can continue, you only had to look at the primaries, who can run in 2016?



You see, I disagree. I doubt the GOP will implode. If it's a close victory for Obama, they'll just go "Well, Romney just wasn't conservative enough..."

If you wanted the GOP to implode, then Rick Perry or Santorum should have got the nominee. Their extreme-right views would have made it a landslide for the Democrats.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 3:28:14 PM   
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Obama's chance of re-election is now forecast by Nate Silver at 91.6% - http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/06/nov-5-late-poll-gains-for-obama-leave-romney-with-longer-odds/

Barring vote rigging and voter suppression, that is...

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 3:32:19 PM   
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I can't really see the GOP imploding. If Romney loses they'll only increase the BS and noise about Obama being a Muslim, unAmerican and a socialist.

It's going to be an interesting night.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 3:48:14 PM   
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I suspect that what Sinatra is hinting at is that Obama's administration doesn't seem to be the most fiscally sound one and Obamacare will cost the economy much more. And it is unclear how he's going to balance any budgets between taxes coming in and monies going out.


Sorry, just been in a 3 hour conference call....

Yeah, exactly... it's a wonderful thing to implement but it has cost him dearly... and no, there's never a right time, but arguably this was one of the worst times to be doing it... things are still in a terrible state over there.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 3:48:52 PM   
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The GOP absolutly will not implode. However a decision may be taken that in the last two elections, if Obama wins this one, that the race was lost when they leaned too far to the right. This was true of the appointment of both running mates, Palin and Ryan as well as the general tenor of both McCain and Romneys campaign.

The most likely is rather than an implosion they will look to go for a centreist who can lay claim to the middle ground, which is what Obama has managed and if so then Christie would be the pick.

The problem with the GOP isn'tr actually the lean to the right but the dominance of the evangeligcals. It's easier to stick with them and go with a Centre right politican than ditch them and actually have to reinvigorate the entire party.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 3:51:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Keyser Sozzled

The GOP absolutly will not implode. However a decision may be taken that in the last two elections, if Obama wins this one, that the race was lost when they leaned too far to the right. This was true of the appointment of both running mates, Palin and Ryan as well as the general tenor of both McCain and Romneys campaign.

The most likely is rather than an implosion they will look to go for a centreist who can lay claim to the middle ground, which is what Obama has managed and if so then Christie would be the pick.

The problem with the GOP isn'tr actually the lean to the right but the dominance of the evangeligcals. It's easier to stick with them and go with a Centre right politican than ditch them and actually have to reinvigorate the entire party.


That's what Romney done recently, after lurching to the right to get the nomination. No centrist will ever get nominated in todays GOP.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 3:54:14 PM   
Woger


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quote:

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quote:

I suspect that what Sinatra is hinting at is that Obama's administration doesn't seem to be the most fiscally sound one and Obamacare will cost the economy much more. And it is unclear how he's going to balance any budgets between taxes coming in and monies going out.


Sorry, just been in a 3 hour conference call....

Yeah, exactly... it's a wonderful thing to implement but it has cost him dearly... and no, there's never a right time, but arguably this was one of the worst times to be doing it... things are still in a terrible state over there.


The thing is right after the supreme court upheld the individual mandate of the Affordable Health Care act Romney explained a list of things he would like to implement as part of his plan for health care reform. Everyone of them apart from one are in the AHC act, the one he left out was the mandate which goes towards paying for it.
The GOP is not a fiscally responsible party, no Republican president in the last 30 years has balances the budget or reduced the debt (including the eity that is now Reagan). There's a reason the Affordable Healthcare act is referred to as Obama care, it really should be referred to as Obamney care.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 3:57:46 PM   
Woger


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Here's a good web site to keep up to date with,
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 4:01:06 PM   
Sinatra


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Did Obama bring that point up during the debates?

Anyway, I'm sure it's true... I just don't believe any President should have bee implementing it until a real recovery had been achieved. The US economic stats have worsened.

I hope Obaa gets the chance to turn it around and finish the job. I also dont want to see the first black US President only get 4 years in the job.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 4:04:34 PM   
Keyser Sozzled


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Woger


quote:

ORIGINAL: Keyser Sozzled

The GOP absolutly will not implode. However a decision may be taken that in the last two elections, if Obama wins this one, that the race was lost when they leaned too far to the right. This was true of the appointment of both running mates, Palin and Ryan as well as the general tenor of both McCain and Romneys campaign.

The most likely is rather than an implosion they will look to go for a centreist who can lay claim to the middle ground, which is what Obama has managed and if so then Christie would be the pick.

The problem with the GOP isn'tr actually the lean to the right but the dominance of the evangeligcals. It's easier to stick with them and go with a Centre right politican than ditch them and actually have to reinvigorate the entire party.


That's what Romney done recently, after lurching to the right to get the nomination. No centrist will ever get nominated in todays GOP.


Not sure I'd agree with that. Romney is lurching all over the shop and flip flopping like a motherfucker-he is not actively changing his position (because on most things he doesnt have one) nor could he be called a centre right pol as far as his initial stab at the presidencey is concerned.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 4:13:14 PM   
Woger


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quote:

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Did Obama bring that point up during the debates?

Anyway, I'm sure it's true... I just don't believe any President should have bee implementing it until a real recovery had been achieved. The US economic stats have worsened.

I hope Obaa gets the chance to turn it around and finish the job. I also dont want to see the first black US President only get 4 years in the job.


I don't think so, he did bring up that the AHC act was based on Romneys idea in Massachusetts. I saw Romneys response on a clip on the Daily Show from a good while back so I can't find it.
I think you're righ in that the health care issue should have been put on the back burner as the economy was in a god awful state (which he is also getting the blame for), but you could also argue that the stimulus package was an economic solution that he got zero help from Republicans with even though many of them were more than happy to get the cash.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 8:55:07 PM   
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Uo-oh.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 9:04:03 PM   
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Uo-oh.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/


I think this is a geunine glitch. The Romney camp wouldn't be stupid enough to take a state which is pretty much 100% blue.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 9:04:42 PM   
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The actress who played Winnie Cooper in the Wonder Years said that when she and her mother went to vote, the woman volunteer took her mum's voting paper off her and put it under the box rather than in it. Apparently the woman said she did this because 'the box was just for making sure people didn't double vote....'

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 9:08:14 PM   
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I don't understand what's wrong with just putting an X in a box.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 9:10:11 PM   
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The actress who played Winnie Cooper in the Wonder Years


You could have just said Danica McKellar - it's not like we all wouldn't know.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 6/11/2012 9:36:00 PM   
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And if it was the actor that played Paul you could have just said Marilyn Manson.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 9:49:50 PM   
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I don't understand what's wrong with just putting an X in a box.


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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 9:58:40 PM   
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Oh

Oh no



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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 10:10:04 PM   
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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 10:15:49 PM   
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So,who's going to stay-up the longest?

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 10:16:13 PM   
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Me - I have the week off work.

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 10:17:32 PM   
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I'm going to cave about midnight I reckon, I can't face both work and the cinema afterwards tomorrow on too little sleep.

In the meantime I'm just going to enjoy that head popping gif above while it remains

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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 10:27:38 PM   
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RE: The Obama Presidency and US politics in general - 6/11/2012 11:17:12 PM   
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America needs to get its sh!t together.

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