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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 5:22:44 PM   
Harry Tuttle


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I'm going to keep posting this until he acknowledges it. I can't understand why he'd ignore something that makes his only point null and void though...

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ORIGINAL: sharkboy

Not as surprised as I am by your poor maths skills. The total African American population is estimated at around 42 million, or about 13% of the US population. A lot of them would be too young to vote, unregistered or otherwise ineligilbe. Yet they still managed to cast 16 million votes in 2008 which, however you look at it is a damn sight more than 15%.


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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 5:23:21 PM   
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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 5:26:24 PM   
Woger


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ORIGINAL: Gravitas


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ORIGINAL: Woger

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ORIGINAL: Gravitas

I found it interesting that even with all the Obama hysteria only 15% could bother voting.

Were none of you Lefties surprised by that? Seriously.


Where is a source for the claim, and most importantly what is your point? I though the only reason righties think he got elected wa sbecause all the blicks voted for him because he is blick, and if you are right the a lot of white people voted for him.



I heard it on TV from an expert (and didn't a member on here google it a few posts back)

My only point was how surprising it was that with the (and I'm having to repeat myself here) excitement and hysteria over Obama being the first mixed race president that ONLY 15% of blacks voted for anyone.

Geddit now!
Just to confirm it wasn't only me that found it surprising, I just ask three women to guess. Unlike you folks they weren't too shy to try. The resposes were: 40%, 40% and 50%..

When I told them they were surprised too.


No, it might be relevant in tv expert/say anything to get on tv or sell books world but not in grown up world.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 5:34:28 PM   
superdan


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gravitas


quote:

ORIGINAL: Woger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gravitas

I found it interesting that even with all the Obama hysteria only 15% could bother voting.

Were none of you Lefties surprised by that? Seriously.


Where is a source for the claim, and most importantly what is your point? I though the only reason righties think he got elected wa sbecause all the blicks voted for him because he is blick, and if you are right the a lot of white people voted for him.



I heard it on TV from an expert (and didn't a member on here google it a few posts back)

My only point was how surprising it was that with the (and I'm having to repeat myself here) excitement and hysteria over Obama being the first mixed race president that ONLY 15% of blacks voted for anyone.

Geddit now!

Just to confirm it wasn't only me that found it surprising, I just ask three women to guess. Unlike you folks they weren't too shy to try. The resposes were: 40%, 40% and 50%..

When I told them they were surprised too.


I don't want to argue with this tv expert or your straw poll of 3 people, but a cursory Google search turned up this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/politics/21vote.html

Which seems to indicate either you or your 'expert' are full of shit. Probably both tho, assuming this 'expert' exists.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 5:35:22 PM   
sanchia


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His expert whispers in his ear when the tin foil hat slips.

Can he name either the expert or the television programme?

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 5:54:38 PM   
Rgirvan44


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Trying to work out which former forumite this guy is.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 5:57:31 PM   
Gravitas

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

I'm going to keep posting this until he acknowledges it. I can't understand why he'd ignore something that makes his only point null and void though...

quote:

ORIGINAL: sharkboy

Not as surprised as I am by your poor maths skills. The total African American population is estimated at around 42 million, or about 13% of the US population. A lot of them would be too young to vote, unregistered or otherwise ineligilbe. Yet they still managed to cast 16 million votes in 2008 which, however you look at it is a damn sight more than 15%.



Obviously it is based on those eligible to vote.

Babies and such not included.


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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 6:02:56 PM   
superdan


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Trying to work out which former forumite this guy is.


If you have any success let me know, because I'm not having any

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 6:07:24 PM   
Woger


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gravitas


quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

I'm going to keep posting this until he acknowledges it. I can't understand why he'd ignore something that makes his only point null and void though...

quote:

ORIGINAL: sharkboy

Not as surprised as I am by your poor maths skills. The total African American population is estimated at around 42 million, or about 13% of the US population. A lot of them would be too young to vote, unregistered or otherwise ineligilbe. Yet they still managed to cast 16 million votes in 2008 which, however you look at it is a damn sight more than 15%.



Obviously it is based on those eligible to vote.

Babies and such not included.




Or it was some brain dead rent a pundit on Fox who finished by saying Obama was a Kenyan, Fascist, Commnunist, Atheist Muslim.


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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 6:08:05 PM   
superdan


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gravitas


quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

I'm going to keep posting this until he acknowledges it. I can't understand why he'd ignore something that makes his only point null and void though...

quote:

ORIGINAL: sharkboy

Not as surprised as I am by your poor maths skills. The total African American population is estimated at around 42 million, or about 13% of the US population. A lot of them would be too young to vote, unregistered or otherwise ineligilbe. Yet they still managed to cast 16 million votes in 2008 which, however you look at it is a damn sight more than 15%.



Obviously it is based on those eligible to vote.

Babies and such not included.




But, again, it's utter horseshit. From USA Today: "In 2008, about 65% of blacks went to the polls, nearly matching the 66% voting rate for whites. Black women had the highest rates of participation among all voters at 69%; they were followed by white women (68 percent), white men (64 percent) and black men (61 percent)."

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 6:12:36 PM   
MonsterCat


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quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Trying to work out which former forumite this guy is.


If you have any success let me know, because I'm not having any


Yeah, me neither. A little help?

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 6:15:12 PM   
Rgirvan44


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Need to check how they feel about people from Zimbabwe speaking their own language while in the canteen at work.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 14/9/2012 6:15:35 PM   
Hood_Man


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Gravitas, nice use of the old "leave as much time as possible between posts to make people think I'm not replying too quickly and seeming desperate" technique

[EDIT]

*checks member list*

Yup, still there...

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 12:43:07 AM   
MonsterCat


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I know this Gravitas guy is a bit of a numb nuts, but does it really take six hours to come up with a grammatically sketchy and racist post?

Shit, it only takes me about five minutes.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 12:51:50 AM   
Keyser Sozzled


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Is it just me or is anyone else starting to like this guy?...He's kinda kooky

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 12:59:42 AM   
Deviation


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

I know this Gravitas guy is a bit of a numb nuts, but does it really take six hours to come up with a grammatically sketchy and racist post?



I can make it in less than a minute.

Yu filthy Anglo_Saxns, Celts and gingers.

Took me 10 seconds to type that.




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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 1:23:22 AM   
MonsterCat


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Well done.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 1:25:39 AM   
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$10 says the TV expert's Glenn Beck.

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She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat
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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army
Stop being mean to Deviation

No.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 1:28:22 AM   
Deviation


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I'm kinda afraid to look for it online. Can rawlinson do it? He's the one who usually sees things like The Eternal Jew or Mandingo.

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ORIGINAL: Dpp1978
There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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ORIGINAL: elab49
I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 1:35:44 AM   
Hood_Man


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$10 says the TV expert's Glenn Beck.

Fuck that

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 1:18:08 PM   
Gravitas

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

I know this Gravitas guy is a bit of a numb nuts, but does it really take six hours to come up with a grammatically sketchy and racist post?

Shit, it only takes me about five minutes.


I have mainstream views - it's only the Left-wing extreamists that dominate these sites that think otherwise.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 1:19:03 PM   
Rgirvan44


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Seen any interesting films lately?

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 1:22:45 PM   
sanchia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gravitas


I have mainstream views - it's only the Left-wing extreamists that dominate these sites that think otherwise.



That is extremist not extreamists.

Isn't it strange that he has only posted in threads where he can make racial stereotypes and has made no other comments anywhere else? Actually not strange at all.



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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 15/9/2012 4:29:30 PM   
Deviation


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gravitas


quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

I know this Gravitas guy is a bit of a numb nuts, but does it really take six hours to come up with a grammatically sketchy and racist post?

Shit, it only takes me about five minutes.


I have mainstream views - it's only the Left-wing extreamists that dominate these sites that think otherwise.


It's true, Rgirvan and Pigeon Army are indeed Maoists.

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ORIGINAL: Dpp1978
There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

quote:


ORIGINAL: elab49
I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 16/9/2012 1:31:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Deviation

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gravitas


quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

I know this Gravitas guy is a bit of a numb nuts, but does it really take six hours to come up with a grammatically sketchy and racist post?

Shit, it only takes me about five minutes.


I have mainstream views - it's only the Left-wing extreamists that dominate these sites that think otherwise.


It's true, Rgirvan and Pigeon Army are indeed Maoists.


It is indeed true. I went to Beijing for three weeks, came back and tried to start a Cultural Revolution.

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ORIGINAL: Rinc
She's supposed to be 13! I'd want her to be very attractive though


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat
quote:

ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army
Stop being mean to Deviation

No.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 17/9/2012 11:18:45 AM   
Fluke Skywalker


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Woger

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ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker


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ORIGINAL: Pigeon Army


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ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker


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ORIGINAL: Deviation


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ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker

They've been bombing 'Al Qaeda' in Yemen and killed a lot of civilians so I don't think the people needed too much of an excuse to do this.


I do wonder what you mean with the apostrophes there. I do hope you're not seriously suggesting that there is not an Al Qaeda presence there.




Al Qaeda is a name invented by the CIA and a blanket propaganda label unifying various disparate terrorist groups. This allows them to continue with the War on Terror and maintain high levels of defence spending - essentially the US need to make it look like there's this evil global terror group like S.P.E.C.T.R.E. or someone out there.

There is no single islamic army/ terror group called Al Qaeda operating in the world which is why I used the apostrophes.


Sure hope you've got some sources there on this point.


BBC The Power of Nightmares :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk

On the note of Americans backing terrorists or at least condoning them we have to look at a few facts and then decide what you want to believe.

1.Have the Americans used terror groups/ death squads within countries to eliminate opposition in the past? Yes, a classic tactic of theirs is to arm groups within countries to destabilise them. Killing of civilians/ opponents has never been a problem and there is a ton of evidence to back this up.

2. 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, American started wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and left the Saudis completely untouched. Considering were talking about one of the most corrupt and gung ho US governments of all time in the Bush era - why would they leave alone the very country Bin Laden and the hijackers sprung up from? We also know the Saudis are preaching extreme forms of Islam, the Salafi fighters now in Syria are Saudi backed. Why don't America move against them or bring them into line?

3. We have had suicide bomb attacks against the Syrian regime, effectively we have terrorists fighting for the same cause as western foreign policy. Terror groups also flooded Iraq - but their primary targets were always other muslims not the occupying forces. Extremely odd. Interestingly there are no terror groups attempting to destabilise the likes of Bahrain in the same manner.

It doesn't add up - on one hand we have America fighting the War on Terror, but leaving the primary culprit Saudi Arabia well alone. We also have 'Al Qaeda' appearing to help to bring down non compliant arab countries in the middle east - effectively helping the west forment regime change.




Pure and utter conspiracy theory bait, there are massive divisiosn in the Islamic world: Iran/Iraq war Sunni/Shia etc

Of course there are - but they've been exploited by western interests before most recently in Iraq.

And the group behind September 11th didn't srping up from Saudi Arabia (some were also Egyptian and possibly a Moroccan, Bin Laden I think was born in Yemen. the nucleus of the group got together in Germany. There are some dodgy Saudi government links but to put them bang in the center is as far off as a light house.

Come on most of the hijackers were Saudi, Bin Laden's Saudi connections are common knowledge.

Why do the US turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia, you have to ask!

This is my point though - American purport to be fighting this civilisation-saving battle against terrorism and yet they completely ignore the Saudis, a country clearly involved in radicalisation. What conclusions can you draw from this? Makes no sense unless you look for darker motives

Al Qaeada isn't some monoltihic group it's a network of networks, the nucleus of which was probably about 30 people who acted as figure heads and provided training funding for other groups. It's a useful umbrella term.


An umbrella term actually dreamt up by the Americans


Here's an article that touches on exactly what I've been talking about,

'The US had fed the al-Qa'ida scorpion and now it had bitten America. And so Washington now supports the opposition against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, was helping Saudi Arabia and Qatar pour cash and weapons to the militias (including Salafists and al-Qa'ida) and would, inevitably, be bitten by the same "scorpion" if Assad was overthrown.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-alqaida-cashes-in-as-the-scorpion-gets-in-among-the-good-guys-8143267.html

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 17/9/2012 4:06:03 PM   
Deviation


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quote:

An umbrella term actually dreamt up by the Americans


No they, really didn't. This is something that's been existing since the Soviet War in Afghanistan.

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Come on most of the hijackers were Saudi, Bin Laden's Saudi connections are common knowledge.


But did this come as a direct order from King Saud and his government or some elements within Saudi Arabia?

quote:

This is my point though - American purport to be fighting this civilisation-saving battle against terrorism and yet they completely ignore the Saudis, a country clearly involved in radicalisation. What conclusions can you draw from this? Makes no sense unless you look for darker motives


Because the relationship between them is far more complex. There are elements, including the King, who are claiming to be on the side of the Americans and fighting the terror cells. Do I have to repeat what I typed previously?

quote:

'The US had fed the al-Qa'ida scorpion and now it had bitten America. And so Washington now supports the opposition against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, was helping Saudi Arabia and Qatar pour cash and weapons to the militias (including Salafists and al-Qa'ida) and would, inevitably, be bitten by the same "scorpion" if Assad was overthrown.'


It doesn't, it rather shows that they might have common enemies. Iran and the Taliban have had a proxy alliance recently, and they are ideological enemies, but they had a common adversary. The relationships can be a hell load more complex.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 17/9/2012 6:57:33 PM   
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America is such a despicable nation. I don't agree with what some of these numpty Islamists have done recently, but the way the Yanks carry on they do bring a lot of the stuff that happens upon them, and invariably, we are amongst the nations that have to help sort out the mess like the sycophants we are.

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 18/9/2012 1:11:32 AM   
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A lot of people are talking about this at the moment- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19631430

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RE: The Race for the White House - 2008 Election - 18/9/2012 8:14:30 AM   
Keyser Sozzled


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Oh Mitt, Mitt, Mitt........

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0918/breaking2.html

Pretty sure that is going to be the centrepiece of the Obama's adminsitrations campaign for the next few weeks.

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