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RE: Not that bad - 16/9/2009 12:38:30 AM

max314

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ORIGINAL: Dante360

The matrix reloaded was a fast paced ball of information and fightscenes with spectacular attention to detail and imaginative combat. Good times.
Unfortunately it got bad. In true sequal style it didnt live up too the first one. Yes it expanded on the path of the so called 'one' but was it really needed. For me there was no need for the second film to be soley based on Neo. Yes he is the main character i know but for me not the most interesting. I know its not the same but the spin off game 'enter the matrix' and 'path of neo' revealed more interesting concepts such as the 'red pills'.
Anyway back on topic the second film had everything that a basic hollywood action film had. BUT. This isnt just a hollywood film this is a neo-scifi so for me it could have been better. Just dont get me started on the third
Aydenn

The Matrix Reloaded was far more than "a basic Hollywood action film". And I think that was part of its problem.

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RE: Not that bad - 16/9/2009 4:54:24 PM

Dante360

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Lets be honest it was just a hollywood action film yes it was a fantastic new storyline and was not seen before BUT the matrix reloaded was just an action film because the only thing that people remember from it are the fight scenes and not the scenes that actually matter to the story

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RE: The Matrix Reloaded - 16/9/2009 5:34:53 PM

Hungrymark

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Pretty rubbish. When even the fight scenes are boring you know you're onto a loser. The main problem for me was that there wasn't really any dramatic tension. Neo couldn't be killed so the fights etc were pointless, made even more so when he flies off at the end of the big Agent Smith set-piece (why didn't he just fly off when the Smiths first turn up and save himself the energy?). Every time Morpheus or The Architect appeared my heart sank as they ripped any sense of pace out of the film with their pretentious blatherings. Added to that the rave scene was cringeworthy, the sex ludicrous etc etc.

It's really not a case of not understanding it properly, it's just not a very good film.

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RE: The Matrix Reloaded - 5/2/2010 1:39:21 PM

theoriginalcynic

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I'm watching the second one and it still doesn't make sense. It's far too complicated, with the keymaster, the architect telling neo that there's been several 'ones' and several matrix's.

The first one is a simple, rescuing slaves from the matrix tale. Why did they have to complicate things?

The oracle still doesn't make sense. If Morpheus, Trinity and Neo ect... are no longer part of the matrix and they are part of the real world, how can she tell them their destiny? Surely, as no longer part of the program they are in charge of their lives? The fate stuff just doesn't make sense.

It's a shame, because the special effects are unbelievable. They actually make you gawp with amazement. But this isn't a good movie, no matter how much I try to like it, it just seems incomprehensible

And the rave scene was horrible. At the end Neo stops the machines in the real world, how? This isn't the matrix so how can he twist reality like that? Or is zion part of the matrix? Because that might actually make sense.

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RE: The Matrix Reloaded - 5/2/2010 3:52:02 PM

Virgil Brigman

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quote:

ORIGINAL: theoriginalcynic

I'm watching the second one and it still doesn't make sense. It's far too complicated, with the keymaster, the architect telling neo that there's been several 'ones' and several matrix's.

The first one is a simple, rescuing slaves from the matrix tale. Why did they have to complicate things?

The oracle still doesn't make sense. If Morpheus, Trinity and Neo ect... are no longer part of the matrix and they are part of the real world, how can she tell them their destiny? Surely, as no longer part of the program they are in charge of their lives? The fate stuff just doesn't make sense.

It's a shame, because the special effects are unbelievable. They actually make you gawp with amazement. But this isn't a good movie, no matter how much I try to like it, it just seems incomprehensible

And the rave scene was horrible. At the end Neo stops the machines in the real world, how? This isn't the matrix so how can he twist reality like that? Or is zion part of the matrix? Because that might actually make sense.

I actually really enjoyed the second one, despite the flaws (rave scene as everyone has said is a strange one to say the least), but I think my enjoyment at the time came from the knowledge that a third film was out in a few months and any questions I had would be answered. How wrong was I?

But even still, I actually enjoy the action sequences, I love Neo's costume and Hugo Weaving is having way too much fun, and despite some of the plot hole, like why doesn't Neo fly away when confronted by all those Smiths, I find the subsequent Burly Brawl way too much fun to quibble about.

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RE: The Matrix Reloaded - 6/2/2010 10:41:44 PM

jobloffski

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Thought it was hilariously overblown head up the arse pretentious bullshit firstime I saw it.

Like it quite a bit more now. Even the derided Neo and Trinity sex scene, which while slightly excruciating still is a pretty speacial moment for the characters, grabbing a bit of action while they can, and in the context of the story, it's their last ime ever before they both die. So if it the tone of rthe shag seems a bit 'self important' and even slightly smacking of desperation in tone, that's probably why: two people grabbing a bit of closeness because when they're doing their job they could die at any moment. Just give the scene a try and think 'last time ever and they'll be dead tomorrow'. It might give it a bit of the emotional context some seem to think it lacks.

And the purpose of that rave scene? Some gubbins about primal rhythms and the connection between dance and sex I suppose (it is after all intercut with the shag scene). Anyway, rule of thumb for bits like this is turn up the sound and let the music bludgeon you!

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Best car chase of all time! - 13/8/2010 1:30:14 PM

stevolegendbauer

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Ok lets get the few flaws out of the way first. There is alot of philosophical talk that in the first film was thought provoking but this time round just tedious and often confusing. The scenes set in Zion arent great but it is good to see the fabled city. But when the audience are vrought back inside the Matrix itself this is a five star action thrill ride.
Neo is now a semi-god and in his first fight scene he slickly and quickly kicks the crap out of THREE agents, a near unthinkable task in the firdt film. Then another quick little fight followed by a brilliant Neo v 100 Smith clones. There are a few more good fight scenes and the finale is a minor let down but the middle sequence is a truly awe inspiring string of set peices.
This sequence starts off with the best philo-babble in the movie and then into some cool door/portal stuff. Then it really gets going. Neo stops hundreds of bullets in mid-air then a bit of sword fighting-kung fu hybrid fighting. After this Neo takes a back seat and the greatest car chase in the history of film insues. Cars are thrown around. Morpheus fights agents atop trucks. Trinity drives against the traffic. Agents jump across car bonnets. Twin things that can turn into air fly through cars, reappearing inside other cars. Trucks go head on at eachother. An amazing sequence. It shows that there are still fresh ideas for the Matrix and the third film couldve been alot better. Like what would aerial dogfights or bank heists be like in The Matrix. But the Wachowskis follishly ditch the incredible universe that theyve created for the concluding chapter, Revolutions.
There are still places to be explored in the Matrix. This is a flawed film but still a great film.
9/10

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Not Able To Compete With The First, But What Film Could? - 9/3/2011 10:23:38 AM

blaud

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The Matrix Reloaded is, by all accounts, much much better than expected. But when you have a film as iconic and as widely acclaimed as The Matrix, that's really all you can hope for. The story this time is somewhat more graspable, but still very contrived. Performances are great yet again, and Reeves is pitch-perfect as te would-be messiah. Fight scenes are immaculate, as is an awesome car chase that spans the whole length of a freeway. It lacks the originality of the The Matrix, but has infinitely more confidence, and has clearly been pioneered just as much. Impressive stuff.

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The Matrix Reloaded Review - 14/12/2011 4:22:11 PM

the film man

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A worthy sequel even if it is a little heady and less satifying than the first Matrix.

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Worst of the 3 (part 1) - 25/1/2012 9:59:50 AM

petethejakey

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Many people (Empire included) feel that Reloaded is better than Revolutions. I disagree with them.

Reloaded has fight scenes, yes. But they are mostly inconsequential. For instance during the Neo VS Smiths� Battle, Neo can fly away at any moment, or at least hover (not to mention the entire scene is marred by terribly obvious CGI for one particularly long period). However the scene remains the main reason to have seen the movie. The car chase scene is okay, but read below for more.

The fight/chase scenes are far too �clean�, and have various plot-holes. For instance if the agents can be upgraded to fight Neo more efficiently, why not upgrade them to the same level as Neo altogether? Wouldn�t the �upgrade� concept at least have worried Neo that it may happen one day? After all at the end of Matrix 1 he fights Smith without even paying attention, using one arm to fight him while looking the other way. The script ignores this. It also doesn�t explain how Morpheus can now hold his own against an "upgraded" agent? Ah, lazy.

One of the reasons Revolutions has been unfairly criticised is because it doesn�t tie up loose ends in Reloaded (like what the hell happened to the pointless albino twins) . It should be noted that this flaw is due to Reloaded, which introduced too many pointless characters to bloat out its running time. (The French dude for instance babbles on for an eternity in Reloaded, and is basically told with great satisfaction to STFU in Revolutions before never being seen again). The 3rd film brings it all back to the plot, whereas the 2nd film told very little information in a really long, tedious way.

The final fight in Revolutions is also back to being more brutal, teeth being knocked out, some blood, more in the spirit of the original Matrix. Not to mention the Neo VS Bane fight in the real world, which is very brutal and bloody without any kind of wire-work at all.

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Worst of the 3 (part 2) - 25/1/2012 10:04:45 AM

petethejakey

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And then there�s the Keymaker. Pointless, he�s literally there to open doors which could have been accomplished in any other way without the need to create another character.

And then there�s the Architect. The shocking discovery that Neo isn�t the first One and Zion has been destroyed and rebuilt several times before (gasp!) is told in the most boring way possible, by an old fart in a chair talking in a monotone voice with a handy thesaurus nearby.

The attack on Zion may not feature any of the main �characters�, but that�s because we should expect them ALL to be wiped out by the machines, something we wouldn�t expect if Neo and Morpheus are directly involved. This adds some tension. It�s also pretty bloody cool and action packed, not to mention brilliantly executed.

While Matrix 1 is always going to be king, the whole point of Revolutions is that Neo has become God-like at the end, spiritually connected to the machines (hence the light he sees) after being upgraded by visiting the old fart in a chair, I mean Architect, and everybody �believes� that Neo has caused peace between man and machine, despite not seeing the events with their own eyes, and he has become an almost religious figure who may or may not exist anymore in the Matrix (much like Jesus). Trinity fulfilled her destiny by enabling this miracle, even though it cost her life. It�s all about faith, and it�s really quite touching.

Reloaded is about chocolate cake making a woman climax and a slow motion rave scene. Enough said.

ps Some points. Smith can fly at the end of Revolutions because he is the Oracle-Smith, the rest can not. The rain, music and slow motion punch is cool as SH*T. The new Oracle is actually a terrific actress. The "train station" is genius - it's supposed to be like a fire-wall for programmes going into the Matrix. Once the source has a direct connection to Smith they can delete the virus once and for all.

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Special mention... - 25/1/2012 10:21:05 AM

petethejakey

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Enter The Matrix was a pretty cool game (not the car levels), and one of the reasons Matrix Reloaded existed.

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Quality and exciting sequel.. - 2/5/2012 10:24:51 AM

trainedasninja

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Matrix reloaded is the 2nd best Matrix film because unlike its sequel its fast paced and pure exciting entertainment from start to finish. Sure the script suffers, could be a little less cliche and characters are reduced as a result as Neo's emphasis but who cares when its this much of a ride

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