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The Matrix Reloaded - 3/10/2005 3:23:43 PM   
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Ouch - 7/2/2006 10:27:47 PM   
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 I'm sorry, but the Wachowski Brothers went in way over their head. They realised they liked anime and then decided to fuck up possibly the best potential movie franchise ever by churning out The Matrix Reloaded. The special effects are far too overwhelming and you really don't believe a single thing, 'bullet time' has been twisted completely out of proportion and the need to start and finish a conversation with a fight sequence is just moronic e.g. "I'm here to see the oracle" <INSERT POINTLESS FIGHT> "Oh, ok."
Despite all this however, it's still The Matrix. The fight scenes are extremely cool albeit there are 20 too many of them, the freeway chase was simply masterful and most of the special effects are amazing. But this cannot compensate for a dry script, appalling acting and overused slow-mo. And things are about to get worse...

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perfec! - 16/5/2006 12:09:32 PM   
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 brilliant car chase. liked all the agent smiths, loved the pole swinging. And albino twins are so damn kool, should have had them again in the last film. Did they survive or not? thought the first half of the film was a bit boring....and what the hell was that sex scene about... i had to close my eyes or squint... shame!

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A Post-Modern Masterpiece - 19/5/2006 3:43:12 PM   
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 An incredible excercise in experimental, post-modern cinema.

This kind of big-budget risk-taking is what classics are all about. Like 'Blade Runner' and '2001: A Space Odyssey' before it, 'The Matrix Reloaded' manages to say the things that are so difficult to say.

Yes, there is action. Yes, there is spectacle. But beneath the jaw-dropping action sequences and the beautifully surreal art direction is a movie that questions the foundations of life, love and reality to a fundamental core that the more superficial first movie could never even touch.

A masterwork to be rediscovered in generations to come.

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Hmmmm... - 15/12/2006 5:43:56 PM   
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Very good but i watched this expected more. In no way does that mean this is a bad movie. I definate watch for people that are easily excited by loud noises and frequent fight scenes. Do not watch if you hate the matrix cause this is alot worse than the first movie. Well theres nothing really bad to say aboot this but they could fit a larger plot into it.

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- 5/12/2007 3:56:23 AM   
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Disappointed to say the least. I DNT GET IT, giving the choice of the "fake world" and living in porridge-eating Zion i know wot i wud choose. I'd much rather have steak!
The Matrix was class but this...the highway scene was clas but it felt like the writers never knew the ending.
Funniest moment of the film was half way through the film, having seen The Matrix, my brother turns to me and says,"its a bit far fetched"

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The Best Matrix Film - 4/2/2008 1:38:01 PM   
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This is one film that lives up to and surpasses the original: Breathtaking!

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- 25/2/2008 7:45:30 PM   
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I was not let down by this movie one bit, yes it will never rise above the first one, but it is a worthy sequel, the only negative thing is that the plot is slightly complicated, I still have no Idea what the old guy was on about, but the movie does boast some superb acting and some of the most beatiful martial arts on screen.

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One of the greatest films of our generation - 10/4/2008 6:16:29 PM   
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This film is a work of art without many contenders to easily outwit it.

Ultra high tech, superbly cool, uber clever for a mass market movie, and containing some of the most monumental set pieces of kung-fu action since... since nothing! Not even Bruce Lee made fight scenes like that of Neo verses the multidue of Agent Smiths. Don't believe me? WATCH IT AGAIN! It's possibly the greatest martial arts fight scene ever transposed on cinema walls. (Aside maybe for some realism based Jackie Chan scenes).

This film is high octane sci-fi brilliance based in contemporary understandings of techno-potentiality mixed with pseudo-religious characters and a very knowing drape of cutting edge philosophy as a garnish to one hell of an evening's viewing.

In a word... "spellbinding".

'Revolutions', on the other hand, just gave me nightmares.

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Slightly disapointed. - 1/7/2008 12:27:52 PM   
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I liked some of the fight scenes in this one better than the 1st one,(even though I thought the fights from the 1st one would be hard to beat)but for some reason i was REALLY bored.(It felt like the longest movie ever seen in my life.)I still have"nt seen the 3rd one yet,I"m actually seeing it today,hopefully it"ll be good.

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Hit and miss... - 2/8/2008 9:24:53 AM   
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A big disappointment after the first film. This is clunky, pretentious and often the Wachowski's have tried SO hard to up the cool-factor that it blows up in their face (the dance/orgy scene in Zion being a perfect example).
However to say it is a total loss would be unfair as it contains some truly awesome sequences and some clever ideas as to how to expand the Matrix's world (even if some are delivered with not-so-much finesse).
Worth looking into ...just don't expect it to even touch the class of the first one.

Possible spoiler maybe:
Does anyone else feel kinda cheated by it ending with "to be concluded" banner? Kinda takes the shine off the cinematic experience I think. I meant Empire Strikes Back and the Lord Of The Rings films had to be concluded but they managed to have proper endings!

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RE: Hit and miss... - 12/8/2009 7:37:39 AM   
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 This film was on TV the other night and I tried to start watching from where Keanu Reeves... well, his badly computer generated double fights a whole bunch of Hugo Weavings. what a crap film. I was just reminded of how f**king dull this and the third film were and why I was just completely put off by the whole idea of these films. Cardboard acting, a plot that requires a 200-page manual to work out (I mean seriously, what on Earth was that Architect bloke on about?), the single worst sex scene in film history matched with an embarrassing rave scene and so much CGI it puts Mr. Lucas' prequels to shame. Not even the presence of my Monica could save this rubbish.

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RE: Hit and miss... - 12/8/2009 9:00:16 AM   
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I remember liking the second one.

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RE: Hit and miss... - 12/8/2009 10:22:01 AM   
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 It manages something very difficult: to be brilliant and shit at the same time.

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RE: Hit and miss... - 12/8/2009 1:21:32 PM   
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 Some great moments but they are tempered by some truly abysmal and pretentious moments. It came across very much as a film which had been written rapidly in order to bring in the cash and build upon the popularity of the original film.

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RE: Hit and miss... - 12/8/2009 3:51:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Snake-Eyes

This film was on TV the other night and I tried to start watching from where Keanu Reeves... well, his badly computer generated double fights a whole bunch of Hugo Weavings. what a crap film. I was just reminded of how f**king dull this and the third film were and why I was just completely put off by the whole idea of these films. Cardboard acting, a plot that requires a 200-page manual to work out (I mean seriously, what on Earth was that Architect bloke on about?), the single worst sex scene in film history matched with an embarrassing rave scene and so much CGI it puts Mr. Lucas' prequels to shame. Not even the presence of my Monica could save this rubbish.

So you didn't understand it? At least you admit it . . .

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RE: Hit and miss... - 12/8/2009 11:20:34 PM   
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- 13/8/2009 9:30:40 PM   
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 When I saw it in cinema back in the day it couldn`t really satisfy me. I haven`t seen it since so now it was time for another viewing. I have to say that I liked it more this time around but it still isn`t a match compared to the first part. With its 2 hours and 20 minutes running it`s at least 20 minutes too long, with some action scenes being driven way in to the extreme, wich can get annoying at times. On the other hand: those action sequences does look awesome. Typical example of style over substance.
It`s really entertaining for as long as it lasts but you don`t wanna think about it too long or too deep.
Will be watching part 3 later on tonight, for the first time.

7,5/10

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RE: - 21/8/2009 8:45:14 PM   
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 I have no problem with people who say they think the film is pretentious, pompous, overblown, bloated crap.  I don't agree (I think the artistic ambition on display is thoroughly laudable) but I can at least UNDERSTAND where people are coming from.

But when people say the film is "style over substance" and isn't ""too deep", I'm left wondering what movie people were watching.  Because it sure as hell ain't the one I went to.

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RE: RE: - 22/8/2009 10:12:03 AM   
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 This was the film that made me join the Empire site all those years ago. I watched it 3 times at the cinema and then I went and watched it on iMAX. I remember being dissapointed first time round but then it got better with subsequent viewings, until after coming out of the iMAX viewing I had all these ideas about where it was going and what was going to happen in Revolutions. So I joined Empire Online to discuss these ideas (and read a plethora of new ones) in the old orange Matrix forum (yes, we had whole forums dedicated to one film franchise back in the day! There was a Matrix one, a Star Wars one and a Lord of the Rings one). Anyway, I still like the film but the way it went in Revolutions was a crushing dissapointment. Suffice to say, most of the theories bandied around were a hell of a lot better than what the Watchowski's ultimately settled on. A definate case of too much money and power being given to film makers.

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RE: RE: - 13/9/2009 12:35:30 AM   
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This was the film that made me join the Empire site all those years ago. I watched it 3 times at the cinema and then I went and watched it on iMAX. I remember being dissapointed first time round but then it got better with subsequent viewings, until after coming out of the iMAX viewing I had all these ideas about where it was going and what was going to happen in Revolutions. So I joined Empire Online to discuss these ideas (and read a plethora of new ones) in the old orange Matrix forum (yes, we had whole forums dedicated to one film franchise back in the day! There was a Matrix one, a Star Wars one and a Lord of the Rings one). Anyway, I still like the film but the way it went in Revolutions was a crushing dissapointment. Suffice to say, most of the theories bandied around were a hell of a lot better than what the Watchowski's ultimately settled on. A definate case of too much money and power being given to film makers.


Honestly, I think it was more of a case of too many geeks thinking they had the bestest idea in the world and then being duly crushed when their puerile Matrix-within-a-Matrix theory turned out to be bollocks.  That's what happens when people build up too many false expectations beforehand.

Frankly, I think people should spend a little more time trying to understand what actually happened before they decide to knock it.  Everything in that final movie was surreptitiously set up in the preceding films.  Nothing is cheated.  Everything is paid off.


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RE: Ouch - 13/9/2009 9:36:05 AM   
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I'm sorry, but the Wachowski Brothers went in way over their head. They realised they liked anime and then decided to fuck up possibly the best potential movie franchise ever by churning out The Matrix Reloaded. The special effects are far too overwhelming and you really don't believe a single thing, 'bullet time' has been twisted completely out of proportion and the need to start and finish a conversation with a fight sequence is just moronic e.g. "I'm here to see the oracle" <INSERT POINTLESS FIGHT> "Oh, ok."
Despite all this however, it's still The Matrix. The fight scenes are extremely cool albeit there are 20 too many of them, the freeway chase was simply masterful and most of the special effects are amazing. But this cannot compensate for a dry script, appalling acting and overused slow-mo. And things are about to get worse...


YOU JUST DON'T GET IT YOU JUST DONT SEE THE INTELLECTUAL DEPTH OMGZ11!!!1111!1!11!!11

Yeah, kudos on taking potentially the greatest film trilogy of all time, and fucking it up because you had no idea what to do with it after the first one.

Epic beginning of the "pulling a Wachowski" phenomena

Althoguh the freeway chase was OUTSTANDING.

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RE: Ouch - 13/9/2009 11:32:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Drone

quote:

ORIGINAL: Q.T

I'm sorry, but the Wachowski Brothers went in way over their head. They realised they liked anime and then decided to fuck up possibly the best potential movie franchise ever by churning out The Matrix Reloaded. The special effects are far too overwhelming and you really don't believe a single thing, 'bullet time' has been twisted completely out of proportion and the need to start and finish a conversation with a fight sequence is just moronic e.g. "I'm here to see the oracle" <INSERT POINTLESS FIGHT> "Oh, ok."
Despite all this however, it's still The Matrix. The fight scenes are extremely cool albeit there are 20 too many of them, the freeway chase was simply masterful and most of the special effects are amazing. But this cannot compensate for a dry script, appalling acting and overused slow-mo. And things are about to get worse...


YOU JUST DON'T GET IT YOU JUST DONT SEE THE INTELLECTUAL DEPTH OMGZ11!!!1111!1!11!!11

Yeah, kudos on taking potentially the greatest film trilogy of all time, and fucking it up because you had no idea what to do with it after the first one.

Epic beginning of the "pulling a Wachowski" phenomena

Althoguh the freeway chase was OUTSTANDING.



I think there's a difference between the Wachowskis having no idea what to do and people having no idea what was going on.

But I'm glad you liked the bit with the crashing cars.


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RE: Ouch - 13/9/2009 11:41:11 AM   
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I think there's a difference between the Wachowskis having no idea what to do and people having no idea what was going on.

But I'm glad you liked the bit with the crashing cars.



So you agree it is poorly presented then in that if people have no idea what is going on then they didn't translate their ideas to the screen very well


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RE: Ouch - 13/9/2009 1:56:59 PM   
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So you agree it is poorly presented then in that if people have no idea what is going on then they didn't translate their ideas to the screen very well



The ideas are there on screen, but it didn't seem to click with certain people.  Which has happened with many accomplished films with artistic ambitions over the years.


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RE: Ouch - 13/9/2009 3:18:06 PM   
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"Write clearly and you will have readers. Write obscurely and you will have commentators" - Camus.

The latter seemed to happen with the Matrix sequels. Which could also be said of, say, 2001 or Mulholland Drive so it isn't in bad company on that front. But I liked those films on aesthetic, emotional and visual levels too. I can't say I did for the Matrix sequels. The effects and acting were too mediocre.

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RE: Ouch - 13/9/2009 7:23:04 PM   
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 The effects were groundbreaking and, while the acting wasn't winning any Oscars in the near future, it certainly wasn't bad.  Some of the most memorable performances I've ever seen are in that trilogy.


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RE: Ouch - 14/9/2009 11:53:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: max314


I think there's a difference between the Wachowskis having no idea what to do and people having no idea what was going on.

But I'm glad you liked the bit with the crashing cars.


So you agree it is poorly presented then in that if people have no idea what is going on then they didn't translate their ideas to the screen very well


"Our films were never intended for a passive audience. There are enough of those kinds of films being made. We wanted our audience to have to work, to have to think, to have to actually participate in order to enjoy them" - The Wachowski brothers

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RE: Ouch - 15/9/2009 1:11:27 AM   
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 Yeah, that's basically it.

I know no-one likes to be told they didn't understand something - it's a blow to their pride.  But I think if people put that pride to one side for a second and accept the possibility that they may not have got it completely the first few times they saw it (I know I certainly didn't) then maybe they can start to open up to the possibility of re-evaluating the films.

The Wachowskis proved they could do solid, run-of-the-mill entertainment with Bound, The Matrix and their script for Assassins.  If they wanted to repeat that with the Matrix sequels, they'd have done it.  But they didn't.  And people have to learn to accept them for what they are instead of whatever preconceptions people had in their heads of what they wanted them to be.

Christ, look at me...  It's 2005 all over again.

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Not that bad - 15/9/2009 3:29:56 PM   
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The matrix reloaded was a fast paced ball of information and fightscenes with spectacular attention to detail and imaginative combat. Good times.
Unfortunately it got bad. In true sequal style it didnt live up too the first one. Yes it expanded on the path of the so called 'one' but was it really needed. For me there was no need for the second film to be soley based on Neo. Yes he is the main character i know but for me not the most interesting. I know its not the same but the spin off game 'enter the matrix' and 'path of neo' revealed more interesting concepts such as the 'red pills'.
Anyway back on topic the second film had everything that a basic hollywood action film had. BUT. This isnt just a hollywood film this is a neo-scifi so for me it could have been better. Just dont get me started on the third
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