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Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 11/1/2007 3:07:57 PM   
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6251099.stm

According to todays news, looks like the hopes of a million fanboys the world over will be dashed, despite reports before Christmas that a deal may be struck.

I have to say I'm not bothered about a film version of The Hobbit.  If it does get made, having another director take a stab at it may be a good thing.  It'll be hard to escape the shadow of Jackson's Trilogy though and would be very odd if the film had a totally different look and feel.

Given that it probably will be made, it'd be better if Jackson was involved but it doesn't look like it's meant to be.
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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 11/1/2007 3:17:22 PM   
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Are the gears now in motion for New Line to start the rush out job on the Hobbit?  I'm still not convinced this story has finished playing out but we'll see.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 11/1/2007 4:24:13 PM   
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Bob Shaye = twat.

What a moron. Does he not realise just how much money and recognition LOTR gave New Line? Fool.

Peter Jackson should be directing this. Non of the original cast will want to come back if Jackson isn't at the helm.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 11/1/2007 4:35:10 PM   
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Well it was very unlikely they would hire a man who was taking them to court, if you want to blame anyone blame Jackson.


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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 11/1/2007 5:08:15 PM   
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From Sci Fi wire

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Shaye: New Line Blacklists Jackson

In the latest comment in the controversy surrounding a proposed movie based on J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit, New Line head Robert Shaye told SCI FI Wire in no uncertain terms that the studio won't work with Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson on that film or any other film. Ever. At least not as long as Shaye is in charge.

Shaye's comments marked the first time a New Line executive has commented publicly on the fracas since Jackson announced that he has pulled out of the project and also appears to harden New Line's position against Jackson.

"I do not want to make a movie with somebody who is suing me," Shaye—New Line's chief executive officer—said in an interview on Jan. 5 while promoting The Last Mimzy, a New Line family fantasy that marks his first time in a director's chair since 1990's Book of Love. "It will never happen during my watch."

Jackson had told TheOneRing.net in November that he and partner Fran Walsh were bowing out after New Line, which produced the Rings films and has production rights to The Hobbit, told them the studio was moving ahead with The Hobbit without them. Jackson has said he won't discuss The Hobbit until a lawsuit against New Line over Rings accounting practices is settled.

As far as Shaye is concerned, Jackson is no longer welcome. "There's a kind of arrogance," Shaye said. "Not that I don't think Peter is a good filmmaker and that he hasn't contributed significantly to filmography and made three very good movies. And I don't even expect him to say 'thank you' for having me make it happen and having New Line make it happen. But to think that I, as a functionary in [a] company that has been around for a long time, but is now owned by a very big conglomerate, would care one bit about trying to cheat the guy, ... he's either had very poor counsel or is completely misinformed and myopic to think that I care whether I give him [anything]."

Shaye, who was also an executive producer on the Rings films, added: "He got a quarter of a billion dollars paid to him so far, justifiably, according to contract, completely right, and this guy, who already has received a quarter of a billion dollars, turns around without wanting to have a discussion with us and sues us and refuses to discuss it unless we just give in to his plan. I don't want to work with that guy anymore. Why would I? So the answer is he will never make any movie with New Line Cinema again while I'm still working for the company."

Shaye said that many of the Rings trilogy actors "suddenly, because, I'm guessing, of Peter's complaint," have declined to participate in celebrating New Line's 40th anniversary. "I'm incredibly offended," he said. "I don't care about Peter Jackson anymore. He wants to have another $100 million or $50 million, whatever he's suing us for. He doesn't want to sit down and talk about it. He thinks that we owe him something after we've paid him over a quarter of a billion dollars. ... Cheers, Peter."

New Line's hardened position against Jackson isn't the end of the story, of course. MGM, which owns the distribution rights to The Hobbit, on Nov. 20 told Variety through a spokesman that "the matter of Peter Jackson directing the Hobbit films is far from closed."

In his own online statement, Jackson said that New Line executive Mark Ordesky, who shepherded the Rings trilogy, argued that New Line is dumping Jackson because the studio has a "limited time option" on the film rights, obtained from Saul Zaentz.


I've always said Jackson was slimy and arrogant on the LOTR DVDs, yet his fans dismissed it as him be jokey. It looks like there's no hiding his true colours now.[image]http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/images/spacer.gif[/image]

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 11/1/2007 5:11:01 PM   
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What a moron. Does he not realise just how much money and recognition LOTR gave New Line? Fool.


And do you realise that no one other company in Hollywood would give Jackson his chance to make the films? New Line were the only one who would gamble on him. They deserve some damn respect from Jackson.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 1:27:05 AM   
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According to Peter Jackson's official response, he isn't bringing about the lawsuit to demand more money for himself, but because New Line had refused to allow his accountants to perform an audit on the books for the LOTR trilogy, according to the statement, this is a common activity in the industry. The full statement is up at Ain't It Cool and I think Jackson is coming off this far better than New Line. 

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 12:23:51 PM   
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I've always said Jackson was slimy and arrogant on the LOTR DVDs, yet his fans dismissed it as him be jokey. It looks like there's no hiding his true colours now.[image]http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/images/spacer.gif[/image]

Ah but you've only shown one side of the arguement, what does Jackson have to say on the issue?


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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 12:34:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dave B

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ORIGINAL: directorscut

I've always said Jackson was slimy and arrogant on the LOTR DVDs, yet his fans dismissed it as him be jokey. It looks like there's no hiding his true colours now.[image]http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/images/spacer.gif[/image]

Ah but you've only shown one side of the arguement, what does Jackson have to say on the issue?



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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 12:37:39 PM   
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What you people dont seem to be realising is the other side of the coin.

Jackson gave an interview to AICN where he absolutely refuted what Shaye has said:

quote:

"Our issue with New Line Cinema has only ever been about their refusal to account for financial anomalies that surfaced from a partial audit of The Fellowship of the Ring. Contrary to recent comments made by Bob Shaye, we attempted to discuss the issues raised by the Fellowship audit with New Line for over a year but the studio was and continues to be completely uncooperative. This has compelled us to file a lawsuit to pursue our contractual rights under the law. Nobody likes taking legal action, but the studio left us with no alternative.

For over two years, New Line has denied us the ability to audit The Two Towers and The Return of the King, despite repeated requests. Film auditing is a common and straightforward practice within the industry and we don't understand why New Line Cinema has taken this position.

In light of these circumstances, I didn't think it was appropriate for me to be involved in New Line Cinema's 40th Anniversary video. I have never discussed this video with any of the cast of The Lord of the Rings. The issues that Bob Shaye has with the cast pre-date this law suit by many years.

Fundamentally, our legal action is about holding New Line to it's contractual obligations and promises. It is regrettable that Bob has chosen to make it personal. I have always had the highest respect and affection for Bob and other senior management at New Line and continue to do so."   


Now this isnt just about money for Jackson, its money for his company and the people who work in it. New Line have fucked up with this before because the actors revolted due to them being underpaid as well.

Had Jackson not produced the epic brilliance that he did for the trilogy (and I dont think that it was fautless by any stretch of the imagination) he would've been very happy continuing with the films that he was making in the first place. On the other hand, if he hadnt...New Line would be bust and many many people working for New Line would have been made redundant. These films didnt just save New Line for the present, but they have continued to operate because of the tent-pole success that LotR brought them. New Line have made generally shite and unsuccessful films since then. So its only fair that they let Jackson find out whether him and his company deserve not MORE money for them, but the RIGHT amount of money.

Trust me, these comments by Shaye make it MORE likely that PJ will eventually film The Hobbit, not less likely. Just not with New Line.

Why?

Well, all the actors have declined to be in New Line's 40-year anniversary? Then you can bet your house on the fact that they'll decline to be in The Hobbit. So what you're going to get is a quickly knocked out version of a film without the original cast, original director, original special effects team (with something this ugly I cant see them turning against PJ on this one), original sets, original locations etc etc, all shrouded in controversy and full of petitions calling for PJ to do the job. This is now looking like an increasingly expensive and unappetising prospect for anyone to get involved in. I cant see them getting this up and running or even remotely successful (which is has to be if MGM, who have said that they want PJ in the job, agree to distribute it). So they'll either run out of time, or it wont get released and then another company will come in, see a guaranteed billion dollar franchise and pump $100 million in for PJ to film it.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 12:45:29 PM   
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I don't trust a word "PJ" says. He hasn't been the most truthful person in the past.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 12:49:42 PM   
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I don't trust a word "PJ" says. He hasn't been the most truthful person in the past.


And New Line have? The actors almost took them to court due to being under-paid, so what makes you think that PJ wouldnt have been as well?

Hence this part of the comment:

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In light of these circumstances, I didn't think it was appropriate for me to be involved in New Line Cinema's 40th Anniversary video. I have never discussed this video with any of the cast of The Lord of the Rings. The issues that Bob Shaye has with the cast pre-date this law suit by many years


I cant imagine the actors just siding with the director that they havent worked with for a number of years just because he told them to. Its much more likely to be remaining ill-feelings towards New Line.

$250 million dollars is a lot of money, but he was director, scriptwriter, camera-man, producer etc etc etc for the trilogy that grossed almost $3 billion off box-office alone. If he thinks that he deserves more money, he has every right to request an audit. If that audit finds that he doesnt deserve more money, then there is nothing that he can do. But New Line refusing to allow him an audit (which HAS to be the case in this situation otherwise it would never get to court as they'd tell him to get an audit done before taking the situation to court) causes this to result in a legal battle. They have nobody to blame but themselves and the refusal to allow an audit is rather suspicious.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 1:05:10 PM   
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I don't trust a word "PJ" says. He hasn't been the most truthful person in the past.

Why, what has he said in the past? I'm not having a go, I'm just curious.


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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 12/1/2007 4:42:01 PM   
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I don't trust a word "PJ" says. He hasn't been the most truthful person in the past.


Oh and of course the studios are the most reliable of all sources.  It's difficult to say who's more at fault at this stage as it's still wrapped up in a PR game between the two.  Expect a book expose on the whole affair in the near future.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 14/1/2007 1:27:33 AM   
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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 14/1/2007 12:02:13 PM   
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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 15/1/2007 3:10:33 PM   
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The Original article.

Variety.

On Wednesday, Jackson issued a statement in response to Shaye's outburst, saying, "It is regrettable that Bob has chosen to make (the argument) personal. I have always had the highest respect and affection for Bob and other senior management at New Line and continue to do so."

Jackson addressed the suit by saying: "Contrary to recent comments made by Bob Shaye, we attempted to discuss the issues raised by the 'Fellowship' audit with New Line for over a year, but the studio was and continues to be completely uncooperative. This has compelled us to file a lawsuit to pursue our contractual rights under the law. Nobody likes legal action, but the studio left us with no alternative."

As for the anniversary video, Jackson said, "In light of these circumstances, I didn't think it was appropriate for me to be involved in (the video). I have never discussed this video with any of the cast of the 'LOTR.' The issues that Bob Shaye has with the cast pre-date this lawsuit by many years."

A source close to Jackson called Shaye's remarks "a strategy to try and create favor (for New Line) by saying how much money Peter made. The issue isn't what Peter made, it's why Bob and Mike (Lynne, co-chairman of New Line) don't want to talk about what they made. What is it that they don't want us to see?"

Official statement from Wingnut Films.

"Our issue with New Line Cinema has only ever been about their refusal to account for financial anomalies that surfaced from a partial audit of The Fellowship of the Ring. Contrary to recent comments made by Bob Shaye, we attempted to discuss the issues raised by the Fellowship audit with New Line for over a year but the studio was and continues to be completely uncooperative. This has compelled us to file a lawsuit to pursue our contractual rights under the law. Nobody likes taking legal action, but the studio left us with no alternative.

For over two years, New Line has denied us the ability to audit The Two Towers and The Return of the King, despite repeated requests. Film auditing is a common and straightforward practice within the industry and we don't understand why New Line Cinema has taken this position.

In light of these circumstances, I didn't think it was appropriate for me to be involved in New Line Cinema's 40th Anniversary video. I have never discussed this video with any of the cast of The Lord of the Rings. The issues that Bob Shaye has with the cast pre-date this law suit by many years.

Fundamentally, our legal action is about holding New Line to it's contractual obligations and promises. It is regrettable that Bob has chosen to make it personal. I have always had the highest respect and affection for Bob and other senior management at New Line and continue to do so."

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 18/1/2007 1:38:43 PM   
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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 27/1/2007 12:21:36 PM   
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im sure brett ratners interested in the job.

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RE: Peter Jackson ruled out of making The Hobbit - 19/2/2007 2:30:12 AM   
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James Cameron adds his two cents!

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