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RE: The Pacific - 12/11/2008 10:12:54 AM   
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Looking forward to this now I finally watch BoB!

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RE: The Pacific - 16/11/2008 12:06:34 PM   
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Took you long enough didn't it Homer?


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RE: The Pacific - 16/11/2008 4:54:42 PM   
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I think this is so exciting. I find the war in the pacific hugely interesting...The Thin Red Line is one of my favourite war films...probably films ever.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/11/2008 6:30:28 PM   
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I just ordered flags of our fathers/letters from iwo jima, as a blind buy.

And I have a guilty like of Pearl Harbor too...


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RE: The Pacific - 16/11/2008 7:27:09 PM   
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I think this is so exciting. I find the war in the pacific hugely interesting...The Thin Red Line is one of my favourite war films...probably films ever.

Agreed, far better than a certain other war film of 1998. Cannot wait for this series.


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RE: The Pacific - 17/11/2008 8:27:45 AM   
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It's the Pacific part that worries me really. I've always been a fan of the Nazis over the Japanese. You just can't beat Nazi occupied Europe. 

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RE: The Pacific - 17/11/2008 8:58:28 PM   
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I've become much more excited about The Pacific in recent times because of my current interest in the war in the Pacific or just generally the japanese in WWII.    This was sparked by my trip to Singapore a year ago, when I went to a WWII fortress at the tip of the island and became intrigued by what was previously an unknown part of my WWII knowledge.  I think what fascinates me the most about this side of the story is how, from the little I've read so far, Japan and the Japanese were extremely aggressively militant..... arguably more so than what Germany produced with the Nazi's.  (Although I haven't read nearly enough to be able to qualify that statement, it just seems so from what I've read already)

Castor I can see where you're coming from; when you know something inside out such as the Nazis and occupied Europe it's difficult to get that same kind of interest in a totally different aspect of the war, particularly when it seems so foreign, but if you'd be up for hearing some reading recommendations that might spark an interest then here are a few of mine;

The one that developed my interest was the book I bought from the Changi War museum in Singapore in which various POW's were held under the Japanese, particularly British and Australians.   The book is written by an ex-POW and gave me a taste of how brutal the Japanese captors were.



The next book, The Rape of Nanking, is really on a specific incident in China in 1937 in which the Japanese captured and ran riot in Nanking (now known as Nanjing).  The event is usually refered to the rape of Nanking due to the atrociously high number of rapes which characterised the whole brutal movement.   The book is an excellent introduction into learning about the militant and aggressive history of Japan - the first chapter or two goes into great depth to put it's history into context and to show how it's inherently aggressive nature was to spell disaster for China and more of S.E Asia later on.



(To get an idea of really how awful the rape of Nanjing was, you can google image 'rape of Nanking' which I did when I was searching for the book and stumbled across photos I'd seen at the memorial museum in Nanjing and within the book itself.  Warning - the pictures are extremely disturbing so unless you're prepared for them, I'd advise against it)

The final book is Prisoners of the Japanese and is another POW book, but gives more good contextual information on Japan and it's aggressive and eventual expansionist nature.



Anyway, I'm planning on reading the books that The Pacific have been largely based on when I get the chance and when I can actually get hold of one of them which appears to be out of print right now.   I've also seen the following book at my work and have asked for it for my Christmas, since the books I've read so far have only briefly covered the Japanese path in the war; I know little of their battles and/or operations and so far only know mostly about their POW camps and the likes of the death march and the death (Thailand-Burma) railway.






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RE: The Pacific - 21/11/2008 12:56:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Castor Troy

It's the Pacific part that worries me really. I've always been a fan of the Nazis over the Japanese. You just can't beat Nazi occupied Europe. 


I know where you're coming from mate, I feel somewhat the same also. Another thing I'm apprehensive about is the fact that this production cannot possibly be better than BoB and therefore I fear it may be a let down for me, even though by any usual standard I'm sure it will be awesome.

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RE: The Pacific - 21/11/2008 9:07:49 AM   
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So when the hell is this actually airing?!? Timon made this thread 3 years ago!

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RE: The Pacific - 21/11/2008 5:05:31 PM   
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People on the Pacificfans.com forum have heard it won't be shown till 2010.  Something about much, much, much editting being needed.

On another note there's a Candian film called PASSCENDALE (the WWI battle) written, directed, produced and staring Paul Gross (of Due South fame). Apparantly it's the biggest budgeted Canadian film... at $20million.

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RE: The Pacific - 23/11/2008 8:31:31 PM   
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2010?!? Are you messin'? Why the hold up, Timon? Why?!?

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RE: The Pacific - 8/12/2008 11:32:45 AM   
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I've read Nemesis and it is a great read but I get Castor's point. There's something about the Nazi's conquering Europe that just makes, for us, a much more frightening, disturbing yet fascinating theatre of war. The Pacific even today is still half a world away yet what the Nazis did and the battles that were fought against them are a short ferry ride away and part of the national identity. Plus you can't get more evil than Nazis, despite the Japanese raping and pillaging most of their way through China, most famously Nanking.

In fact, whatever happened to that Chow Yun Fat, Michelle Yeoh and Jonathan Rhys Meyers film - The Children of Huang Shi? That looked very good.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0889588/

The Japanese's treatment of the Chinese and American POWs is generally forgotten in comparrison to the Nazi attrocities but they are no less horrific.

Personally though, I'd love to see a series based around the North Africa/Italy campaigns - some fantastic locations, mighty battles (El Alamein, Tobruk, Monte Casino) and the strange honourable battles between Rommel and his Afrika Corps and the Desert Rats.

Here's a fact for you; did you know that Rommel's Afrika Corps were the ONLY German unit that committed no war crimes? That Rommel was a good man and had certain rules he insisted his men adhere to. Apparantly him and Montgomery had an agreement that they'd only raid their supply routes on certain days of the week so the men wouldn't starve. On one Sunday, a German unit seized a British supply column and Rommel ordered that the trucks be sent back to the British along with an apology.

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RE: The Pacific - 8/12/2008 11:52:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TimonThe Japanese's treatment of the Chinese and American POWs is generally forgotten in comparrison to the Nazi attrocities but they are no less horrific.


And of course the treatment of the British. This is a superb book:



About Lomax's brutal experience in a japanese POW camp, and working on the Burma railway. And then, 40 years later, meeting one of his interrogators, one of the most moving and powerful pieces of writing I've ever encountered..


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RE: The Pacific - 8/12/2008 11:58:09 AM   
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But of course, I meant to type Allied.

After all, the fall of Singapore saw thousands of British troops ordered to surrender to the Japanese.

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RE: The Pacific - 8/12/2008 1:33:25 PM   
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I'm currently working my way through BoB after buying the box set, and i'm so hyped bout this. Hurry up!
i want news, i want trailers! and i want it to be shown unedited in good quality somewhere for free.

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RE: The Pacific - 8/12/2008 9:29:57 PM   
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RE: The Pacific - 15/1/2009 8:04:57 PM   
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FOOTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=E81uWNfRHbs

Looks amazing, more epic than many of the films it is inspired by.

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RE: The Pacific - 15/1/2009 8:27:42 PM   
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Fuck that looks awesome.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:00:55 AM   
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Really looking forward to this, 2010 is only a year away but still.... why can't they get a move on!

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:13:37 AM   
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That looks so damn good.

The casting people on this series and BoB really earn their money. The likenesses are uncanny between most actors and their real life counterparts.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:23:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vertigo...Woo.Yay.

quote:

ORIGINAL: TimonThe Japanese's treatment of the Chinese and American POWs is generally forgotten in comparrison to the Nazi attrocities but they are no less horrific.


And of course the treatment of the British. This is a superb book:



About Lomax's brutal experience in a japanese POW camp, and working on the Burma railway. And then, 40 years later, meeting one of his interrogators, one of the most moving and powerful pieces of writing I've ever encountered..



My dad has that book and I read it shortly after returning from Singapore.  It is a great book and very interesting, but I wasn't overly bowled over by it.  I think this was perhaps because the book I'd read prior to it, The Naked Island, was really outstanding in my wee humble opinion!


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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:34:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sway








I've read Nemesis and it is a great read but I get Castor's point. There's something about the Nazi's conquering Europe that just makes, for us, a much more frightening, disturbing yet fascinating theatre of war. The Pacific even today is still half a world away yet what the Nazis did and the battles that were fought against them are a short ferry ride away and part of the national identity. Plus you can't get more evil than Nazis, despite the Japanese raping and pillaging most of their way through China, most famously Nanking.



Yeah I also saw Castor's point, and it's as I said in my original post; it's understandable not being able to take much of an interest in a particular part of history that seems so foreign and unfamiliar, especially when it's not something you can have any relate to in any way.  I know it's because I've visited several places in S.E Asia that my interest in The Pacific side of WWII was sparked.  And when I finally started reading about the Japanese, I was stunned at how ignorant I'd been about such a massive part of the war simply because there is an abundance of history available to read on the Nazis.    I get what you're saying Timon, and had I not been to S.E Asia and visited several war sites I'm sure I'd be saying the exact same thing.  I just feel the Japanese were on a par to the Nazi's in a lot of respects going by the books I've read; the country was inherently far more militarily aggressive than Germany was to begin with.  Japan was like that far before Hitler rose to power.

Edit: That footage is absolutely tantalising and teasing.  Looks beautifully done, and my appetite is now well and truly whet!


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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 11:17:03 AM   
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I recgonise about three people from those cast pictures! Good to see Tim from Jurassic Park getting some work - must have called in a favor from uncle Steven.
Thinking back though, look at all the people who appeared in Band of Brothers who went on to great thing. Perhaps this is a cast of future stars.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 11:54:29 AM   
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Great to finally see some footage from this - I'm positively slathering in anticipation!

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ORIGINAL: Timon

On another note there's a Candian film called PASSCENDALE (the WWI battle) written, directed, produced and staring Paul Gross (of Due South fame). Apparantly it's the biggest budgeted Canadian film... at $20million.


Ti, I've seen that (from my usual sources ) and as good as it is, it leaves a bit of an air of disappointment.  It's a story that needed told on as broad a canvas as possible but, as well intentioned as Gross' movie is, it doesn't really do it justice. That's not to say it's not worth a view - some of the scenes and imagery are brilliantly shot (the "crucified" soldier is particlarly moving), and the horror of trench warfare comes across very well.  But it's main problem is that Passchendale itself is just a kind of backdrop to a love story rather than the main focus of the movie

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 11:56:34 AM   
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We should knock up a list: Easy Company: Where Are They Now? Actually, I'm sure I or someone did that once...Guarnee is in the new season of 24!

Anyway, I digress....The Pacific looks great. A lovely little teaser...but 'the battle to save Australia' part confused me. I thought it encompassed most of the Pacific campaign. Either way, can't wait.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:02:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sharkboy

Great to finally see some footage from this - I'm positively slathering in anticipation!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

On another note there's a Candian film called PASSCENDALE (the WWI battle) written, directed, produced and staring Paul Gross (of Due South fame). Apparantly it's the biggest budgeted Canadian film... at $20million.


Ti, I've seen that (from my usual sources ) and as good as it is, it leaves a bit of an air of disappointment.  It's a story that needed told on as broad a canvas as possible but, as well intentioned as Gross' movie is, it doesn't really do it justice. That's not to say it's not worth a view - some of the scenes and imagery are brilliantly shot (the "crucified" soldier is particlarly moving), and the horror of trench warfare comes across very well.  But it's main problem is that Passchendale itself is just a kind of backdrop to a love story rather than the main focus of the movie


Oh. Darn.

I might give it a look anyway at some point. There needs to be a good WWI film made - All Quiet On The Western Front was a long time ago and all recent WWI films have been found wanting - The Trench for example, although I heard Joyeux Noel was very good.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:04:32 PM   
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Damn I had just found this footage and was going to post it here only to find Rg has beaten me by a full day! 

The footage looks awesome, it will be interesting to see how this young cast holds this series together. There is going to be a lot of pressure to equal Band of Brothers.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:05:54 PM   
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All credit goes to Rgirvan44, though I am more than happy to steal his thunder.

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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:08:19 PM   
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We should knock up a list: Easy Company: Where Are They Now? Actually, I'm sure I or someone did that once...Guarnee is in the new season of 24!

Anyway, I digress....The Pacific looks great. A lovely little teaser...but 'the battle to save Australia' part confused me. I thought it encompassed most of the Pacific campaign. Either way, can't wait.


Guarnere is in the new season of 24!? Awesome! Well, I guess we all know what Damien Lewis and Scott Grimes got up to post-BoB.  And Ross McCall recently split with Jennifer Love Hewitt which is certainly a tough break for him! He's apparently the cousin of somebody I used to work with, but I'm skeptical. 


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RE: The Pacific - 16/1/2009 12:10:30 PM   
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Damn you! Replied before I could edit it! 

How much input did Spielberg and Hanks have on this production? They are listed as Executive Producers but that usually means they put money into the project.


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