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Well I think him dismissing it as pretentious and that the adam west batman was a better film because it knew what it was which was camp and 'fun' made it seem like he didnt like it, i mean you dont really call the things you like 'pretentious' do you? I just found it really ill-informed that he said they called it the dark knight because it makes it sound a lot more serious, when it's called that because he's had that nickname for decades.
It's also because of how earlier in the year he tweeted 'why would i watch avengers, it's for children' and in an article he wrote he branded rises and avengers as chadult movies, films which are made for kids which adults go to see out of irony (avengers) or pretentiousness (rises). He dismisses rises for the supposed pretentiousness and for not accepting what its 'supposed' to be, then he's given Avengers which does the opposite of everything he criticised Rises for only for him to brand it as childish and people only go to see it out of irony. It just seemed completely ridiculous and hating for the sake of hating, as one forumer pointed out, Brooker is a massive fan of computer games, if i said to him 'i dont play games, they're for kids' or branded a game like LA Noire as pretentious and it should be something like sonic or mario, he would think i'm a complete prick.
Its a tongue in cheek comment about a distinctly average film which is pretty pretentious.
There is a decent number of film goers who think TDK and Rises are pretty disappointing films given unwarranted kudos because of Nolans involvement. This is nothing new, you just have to remember all the fuss around The Two Towers and Return of the King being considered 2 of the greatest films ever made on here. Give it a few years and I'm sure these films will find their appropriate level, and you might not get quite so precious about them.
A film geek grumbling about someone hating for the sake of hating does have a delicious irony about it.
And I would say that it's not pretentious. Seems that whenever a film tries to be something a bit different and maybe it doesn't hold up in someone's eyes then it's labelled pretentious. It can't just be that they don't like the film and they simply don't gel together, instead they have to attack the the intent of the film.
Despite the more realistic take of the films, everything that is in those films is in the comics. So you or Brooker or anyone criticising it for not knowing what it is or sticking to what it's 'supposed' to be obviously doesn't know much about the character. There have been tonnes of interpretations of the character over the years, from the camp, to the noir, to the dark fantasy to the pulp adventurer to the realistic. Burton's was the dark fantasy, West's and Schumacher's was the camp, and Nolan's was the realistic. Nolan's was just this version of the character and hopefully the next set of films will be different too. Just because it doesn't shape up to how you view it should be does not make it pretentious. It simply means you didn't like it. nothing wrong with that but don't try and make your opinion seem higher by debasing what the film is and as an effect, the people who do enjoy the films.
Couldn't have said it better myself. People can dislike the film if they want, but calling it pretentious is such a lazy and uninformed way of criticising it. Infuriatingly, whether something is or isn't pretentious has become one of the most common phrases of film criticism and it's usually not accompanied by anything to back such an assertion up. Assuming Brooker meant what he said, his way of criticising TDKR for being bold enough to move away from the campness of the Adam West Batman is just stupid, and added to that, quite possibly meant to rile. As an argument, it's very much a 'know your station' (or genre) type criticism. Because with Brooker's background, he should know the multiple iterations the character has gone through, and that Nolan's vision is another of those iterations. Which is why I'm fairly sure he was exaggerating for effect, although he may not have liked the film.
The show overall was very funny though - the Olympics was the best, and when Barry Shitpeas called the Leveson Inquiry the 'Lesbian Inquiry'. 
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