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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 31/5/2012 2:45:40 PM   
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Doesn't look great does it? having said that, I'll still give a duff Argento a look anyway.

Asia looked particularly hot in the premiere pictures...

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 14/6/2012 4:37:59 PM   
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Doesn't look great does it? having said that, I'll still give a duff Argento a look anyway.

Asia looked particularly hot in the premiere pictures...

Same here i'll give it a try,as a duff Argento is far better than some shit they call films now,plus ASIA

 

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 25/8/2012 2:24:46 PM   
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Finally got a copy of DRACULA 3D,and no it's not in 3D,and the picture and sound are a bit naff on this bootleg DVD,that a mate got from Germany.
 
A young librarian, Jonathan Harker, is welcomed at Castle Dracula by the Count and a young woman named Tania, who seems intent on seducing Harker. The Count prevents Tania from biting the young man, but Dracula attacks Harker himself, leaving him weak. Harker attempts to escape the castle, but is killed by a wolf. Harker's wife, Mina, arrives in the village and stays at the home of her friend, Lucy Kisslinger. Worried about her husband, she visits the castle, and falls under the spell of the Count. It transpires that Dracula has engineered their meeting, because Mina is the reincarnation of his long-lost love, Dolinger. Lucy also becomes undead before the mysterious happenings in the village attract the attention of vampire expert Van Helsing, who prepares for final combat with his deadliest foe.

OK i'll try and be positive first about Dario Argento's Dracula as it is enjoyable with affectionate nods to old horror movies of the past like the ones directed by Mario Bava and ye old Hammer Films.It's also very like The Phantom Of The Opera he did many moons ago,a fun trashy cheesefest of a film,that in truth only us Argento nut's could enjoy.Thanks to the sexy Miriam Giovanelli,Marta Gastini, Rutger Hauer and the soundtrack by Claudio Simonetti,and Asia nude yet again it keeps the film from ending up in the trash can.Also there's plenty of blood letting,IE plenty of gore scenes to keep us gorehounds happy,and it's by the numbers Gothic horror in the old style,which for me is a bonus.Shit acting award goe's to the wooden Thomas Kretschmann as Count Dracula,if you can call that acting,i've seen some bloody bad acting,but this guy belongs in some forgotten US soap show.

As you all know i actually like Argento's modern films such as: Sleepless, Il Cartaio and Mother of tears, but if you thought that his last three films were bad, then you should take a look at Dracula 3D.How the master of horror has fallen so low is beyond words,i've seen better amateur horror films,now saying that it is still a fun, charming throwback to old style Horror.But only us die hard Argeto fans will be able to stomach this below average horror film,it's such a shame that the decent actors in this film where given such a dire script.More bad news is the CGI effects are cringe-worthy,Rutger Hauer only appears in the last half of the feature.On the whole the acting is Ham at best,the editing a bit rough and the pace very slow at times,and it has to be said this is the worse Argeto movie scine The Card Player,in fact it make's it look awesome.4/10

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 25/8/2012 10:11:39 PM   
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NOOOO! Honestly, I was hoping, as you were, that this would be a real return to form for Dario, but the fact the you, the biggest Argento fan around, rated it so low, seems to say it all [you even liked Mother Of Tears, which I didn't]. Sounds like he should just call it a day don't you think?

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 27/8/2012 8:22:00 PM   
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NOOOO! Honestly, I was hoping, as you were, that this would be a real return to form for Dario, but the fact the you, the biggest Argento fan around, rated it so low, seems to say it all [you even liked Mother Of Tears, which I didn't]. Sounds like he should just call it a day don't you think?

In all honesty i have to agree with you,it is time for Argento to pack it in,it's been a slide down hill after the wonderful Sleepless.And even though i liked Mother Of Tears,even it did not feel like a return to form,and yet i did hope he could pull one last decent Gothic horror or Gallio out of the hat.The only good news is that Arrow Films are doing a fine Job in re mastering his old back catalog,and they look and sound awesome on Blu-Ray.

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 28/8/2012 4:41:31 PM   
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So pretty much as we were expecting then Bill? Doubt it will get a cinema release (which is a shame, I was looking forward to all that gore and Asia nekkid in 3D), I hope someone eventually does a decent Blu ray though.

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 3/9/2012 9:31:39 PM   
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The things this guy does with light are absolutely amazing.

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 12/9/2012 7:51:21 PM   
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The things this guy does with light are absolutely amazing.

Well Welcome nice to have some new blood on this thread,and yes his use of light and colour are what kept his films above the rest.But don't forget his use of sound was enough to send the shivers down most spines,he was the Master Of Horror Italian style.

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 24/1/2013 9:50:21 PM   
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Well some good news from BLOODY DISCUSTING:
"It feels like every year I’m posting some sort of update on the forthcoming Suspiria remake, which is being developed by Natalie Portman’s production company and director Davis Gordon Green. Orphan‘s Isabelle Fuhrman had even been attached to star!
Green, who is at Sundance promoting his pretty funny indie comedy Prince Avalanche, revealed to Collider that the project is stuck in a legal limbo it may never free itself from. “Suspiria is caught up in legal crap so who knows what will ever happen to that,” he explained. “That kind of falls into the ‘Confederacy Of Dunces’ category of ‘someday I’d like to make these movies’ that I was once attached to and worked on, but they may never happen.
This is a chance to cheer for those of you opposed to the redo of Dario Argento’s colorful 1977 masterpiece. Still, it would have been interesting to see what Green’s gaggle of witches would have been like."
NO I SAY,NO!!!!

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 25/1/2013 12:22:02 PM   
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Thank god for that ...

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 17/4/2013 12:47:59 PM   
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In a Transylvanian village, Tania goes out at night-time to meet up with her boyfriend, and, when he refuses to walk her home, is left alone and is bitten by Count Dracula. Meanwhile Jonathan Harker journeys from England to Transylvania to Dracula’s castle to catalogue Dracula’s huge library. At first enticed by Dracula’s gracious manner, Harker soon discovers that he has become a prisoner in the castle. While searching for a way out, Harker falls under the spell of Tanya, who is now Dracula’s bride, but it is saved by Dracula, who, after seeing a picture of her, is most interested in Harker’s fiancée Mina, the spitting image of his wife who died some four hundred years before, and who is now arriving in the village to supposedly join Harker……

One of the most depressing things as a film fan is seeing a filmmaker who you admire go downhill, to the point where you actually want them to stop making films. Dario Argento is not the only horror maestro to do this of late; you could say the same about some others, especially Argento’s friend and occasional collaborator George Romero, who can’t even seem to make decent zombie movies any more. It’s great that Romero and Argento still have the drive to make films. The trouble is, they aren’t much good at it any more. I remember that even during the 80’s there were those who were saying that Argento’s output was getting weaker, and there are many who claim that the quality of his work diminishing coincided with him decided to feature his daughter Asia in his work, though I don’t think that’s entirely true: The Stendahl Syndrome was in my view a near-masterpiece and Argento was still capable of turning out enjoyable pictures. Something has seriously gone wrong of late though with the distinctly average mediocre quality of The Card Player and Giallo, and the distinctly abysmal quality of Mother Of Tears, a film which almost made me weep at what once was.

Now years ago, the idea of Argento filming Bram Stoker’s much-filmed novel would probably have had his fans hitting the roof with excitement, and in the 70’s he did consider doing a version of Frankenstein which from what I’ve read sounds like it would have been fantastic and another Argento classic. These days though, no one really expects an Argento classic, in fact some probably expect the opposite, and I received the news that Argento was doing Dracula with distinct trepidation. I almost couldn’t bear the thought of him thoroughly disappointing me again and ruining one of my favourite stories. Of course to be honest, there have been so many film versions of Dracula, some of them great movies, that it’s now very hard to put a new spin on it; it’s all been done before.Argento’s Dracula doesn’t even really do that. After much worrying, I did think for a short while that this project may reignite Argento’s mojo. The thought of Argento back at his best, applying his visual brilliance and unique sensibilities to Stoker’s novel, perhaps enhancing the sexual and violent aspects – bring it on!

Well, you probably don’t need me to tell you that the result is another loser. Imagine if Hammer had filmed Dracula not in 1958 but in the early 70’s, where their films retained a little bit of their early Gothic magnificence but were more bothered with upping the boobs and blood quote, and imagine that done badly, and you’ll get an idea of Argento’s movie. Along the way Argento and his co-writers alter a few things in the story, but seem more interested in re-playing things from previous adaptations, and usually quite poorly. Harker encounters a single ‘bride’ in Dracula’s castle, as in the 1958 Dracula. Mina goes to visit Dracula in his home, as in the 1979 one. Mina turns out to be the reincarnation of Dracula’s dead wife [1973 and 1988 versions]. And so it goes on, most of it handled in a way that, as I’ve said, resembles late Hammer. After a while I forgot Argento was directing this, and to enjoy it at all, I reckon you should do the same.

I mentioned the word ‘enjoy’, and this Dracula can certainly be enjoyed if you have a weakness for bad movies. Argento doesn’t seem interested in creating much suspense or creepiness, with the result that the film drags too much at times, but you can get much amusement from many things. Every single night-time scene is so ludicrously bright that sometimes you can almost see the stage lights beaming in off the edge of the screen. Crucial scenes are so clumsily staged they look unfinished. No attempt is made to disguise the fact that the Transylvanian village is clearly an Italian one. The CGI effects, usually employed when Dracula changes into something, or back again, often look like old video game graphics [and you could really use some scenes in this film to show how in some cases the pre-computer way of doing special effects was better – compare the decomposing shots in it, for instance, with comparable shots in some Hammer films], and it’s weird that Dracula becomes various animals but not a bat. The worst, but in a way funniest, bit, a scene which made my jaw drop and had to re-play to see if I had imagined it, is when Dracula becomes a man-sized praying mantis who seems to have escaped from A Bug’s Life or something. The animation is laughably unconvincing and it’s so random, but it’s certainly memorable, and that’s more than you can say for a lot of other stuff at the moment.

This film sees Suspiria and Tenebrae cinematographer Luciano Tovoli return to work with Argento and, despite the hilarious brightness of many scenes, he does at least make Dracula pleasant to look at, and a few shots, especially in a crypt, seem to evoke Mario Bava in the use of colours, a nice nod to the Father of Italian horror. This was in 3D in Italian cinemas but aside from a couple of things hurling towards the audience, you wouldn’t know it. Claudio Simonetti’s score uses so much theramin that, though I’m normally a fan of this weird musical instrument which is mostly associated with 50’s science-fiction films, I now don’t want to hear a bloody theramin again for weeks. His music seems on the verge of being tongue-in-cheek in a film which is almost sombre for long sections until the leisurely first two thirds give way to an action-filled final third with lots of gory mayhem where you see heads ripped off, fingers bitten off and spat out, and the like, and this stuff mostly look quite good. You also get to see some breasts, including Asia’s again, but the film often seems a little coy in its sexual elements; I would have expected Argento to really go to town on the ‘biting’ scenes.

The acting is mostly of the ‘get it over and done with’ kind, with Thomas Kretschmann [usually a fine actor and very good in The Stendahl Syndrome] a pretty dull Dracula who is never really scary, and Rutger Hauer’s weary Van Helsing able to unconvincingly dispatch vampires in seconds seeming to have difficulty remembering his lines. At least Marta Gastini is very easy on the eyes and Asia is always worth watching though even she seems to be coasting. Is Dracula a good film? No, it’s clumsy and pointless. It’s weak film-making and adds nothing to Stoker. Did I enjoy it? Yes, in parts, but then again I enjoy watching Ed Wood films sometimes. It has a slight charm, and is certainly amusing at times, but the fact that I am using such terms, and struggling to say anything else good to say about the latest film from a director who really wowed me right from that time when I first put that video of Inferno into my player and immediately fell in love, is not good at all.

Dario, if you’re reading this; I did get some limited enjoyment out of your latest movie, but please, from a big fan of yours who is losing his patience, just stop now.

Rating: 4/10

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 21/4/2013 12:54:12 PM   
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I had the opportunity of meeting Dario Argento briefly at last year's Frightfest in Empire Leicester Square. He was doing a talk about how financially there were issues to make films in Italy I think. He later discussed a few other things, like how Hauer went missing whilst working with him on a movie but I don't remember everything else he discussed. Afterwards, there was a book signing.

I liked a lot of his older films, such as Inferno, Suspiria, Tenebrae and Phenomena but I am not having very high expectations for his new Dracula film (from what I heard about it). I guess we will have to wait and see how it is, but no idea when it will be released?

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RE: DARIO ARGENTO overlooked master. - 29/4/2013 9:22:01 PM   
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The acting is mostly of the 'get it over and done with' kind, with Thomas Kretschmann [usually a fine actor and very good in The Stendahl Syndrome] a pretty dull Dracula who is never really scary, and Rutger Hauer's weary Van Helsing able to unconvincingly dispatch vampires in seconds seeming to have difficulty remembering his lines. At least Marta Gastini is very easy on the eyes and Asia is always worth watching though even she seems to be coasting. Is Dracula a good film? No, it's clumsy and pointless. It's weak film-making and adds nothing to Stoker. Did I enjoy it? Yes, in parts, but then again I enjoy watching Ed Wood films sometimes. It has a slight charm, and is certainly amusing at times, but the fact that I am using such terms, and struggling to say anything else good to say about the latest film from a director who really wowed me right from that time when I first put that video of Inferno into my player and immediately fell in love, is not good at all.

Dario, if you're reading this; I did get some limited enjoyment out of your latest movie, but please, from a big fan of yours who is losing his patience, just stop now.

Rating: 4/10

Like you INFERNO was my first interdiction to Dario Argento, and I have love all of his early work, but his last three films just don't even belong in a Argento collection. Well at least you got to see it on a proper DVD release, not the shit bootleg I struggled with, saying that we both seem to agree it's so bad, yet it has a charm about it, but like you I struggled to score it 4/10
Also agree Dario just forget about doing another film please!!!

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