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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 20/6/2007 1:05:36 PM   
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Is it just me that thinks that Crowe looks very out of place in this film?

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 23/6/2007 8:38:39 PM   
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Really looking forward to this.  The trailer looks excellent.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 23/6/2007 8:46:25 PM   
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Is it just me that thinks that Crowe looks very out of place in this film?


yeah its just you kidding, no i think he'll fit the part very well to be fair, but Denzel steals the show in the trailer, granted its only a trailer but i hope Denzel doesn't walk all over him. But if Crowe brings Bud White, Lucky Jack and Maximus together he'll stand up to him. But i think he'll do a fine job. As long as Ridley Scott is on top form this film will not fail, simple as, we all know the acting will be fine.


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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 8/7/2007 6:57:16 PM   
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I'd agree don. Crowe has all the tools to do justice to the character. Washington has the better part though - the "bad guy" is always coolest and there's just more potential for scenery chewing.

I'm digging the the threads too. Everybody looks far too cool!

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 5/10/2007 2:07:28 PM   
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Well the Empire article was the first cover story for the magazine I've read in a while. I'm trying not to get over excited, but surely this can't diappoint?

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 5/10/2007 8:37:11 PM   
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I've read some reviews through my flixster movies thing through facebook and people are some what disappointed by it? Without really saying why? i'll make my own judgements however!

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 6/10/2007 6:45:38 PM   
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I just had a look and most of the reviews are very positive.It's rating 4.5 too.

Then again on flixster Shrek 3 is rating the same as Bourne Ultimatum, which gives some idea of the mentality of most members.

And it's hard to tell when the comments are as basic as this:

quote:

Wicked movie worth the pins & needles in your butt ... Go Denzel !!!
A must see movie on the big screen


Sorry to that person if they're reading, but that's not even a soundbite.


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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 6/10/2007 6:49:10 PM   
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I just had a look and most of the reviews are very positive.It's rating 4.5 too.

Then again on flixster Shrek 3 is rating the same as Bourne Ultimatum, which gives some idea of the mentality of most members.

And it's hard to tell when the comments are as basic as this:

quote:

Wicked movie worth the pins & needles in your butt ... Go Denzel !!!
A must see movie on the big screen


Sorry to that person if they're reading, but that's not even a soundbite.




i'll take your word for it


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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 9/10/2007 5:36:34 PM   
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I'm told by one who's opinion I respect that it's pretty derivative, but solid and not in the class of Heat.

I'm actually glad to hear that. Not because I want it to be so, but because it has reduced my expectations, which had been soaring a bit too high.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 10/10/2007 8:59:08 AM   
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Is it just me, that this film is made up of Oscar winners?

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 10/10/2007 1:38:06 PM   
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There a number of reasons not to go with this film.  For starters Crowe isn't the most relible of actors right now.   That's been the case since The Insider.  However given the right role he's shown his abiltiy as a leading man.  And Scotts not been in the finest forms as of late.  Although MatchStink man was very good, and really underated.  But this looks intruging and most Ridley films are worth watching.  A rare heel turn for Washington will add to the intrest.  If there's one actor who needs a change it's him.  I have high hopes for this.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 10/10/2007 8:41:24 PM   
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Crowe hasn't been on form since the Insider, thats one of the stupidist things i've ever read

Gladiator clearly his best performance
A masterful turn in the poorly praised A Beautiful Mind
His finest character and argubly his best performance in Weir's masterpiece Master and Commander
Another solid and very fine performance in the enjoyable but flawed Cinderella Man
And he's the best thing in 3:10 to Yuma, only Proof of Life and A Good Year were poor films but to be honest i cant think of many more reliable actors who choose their roles as well as Crowe does.



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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 25/10/2007 6:52:12 PM   
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There is already a copy of this out there, pretty good quality aswell, so I've heard anyway.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 11:36:17 AM   
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Are we talking piracy here? I’d thought anyone wanting to judge the film properly would want to see it in the cinema, for which it was intended.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 1:47:38 PM   
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pretty devastated with Empire's verdict of it!

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 2:10:00 PM   
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What's the gist of it?

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 2:21:27 PM   
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What's the gist of it?


average, i'm afraid. i'll say no more, but its a fantastic issue!


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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 2:42:58 PM   
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quote:

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What's the gist of it?


average, i'm afraid. i'll say no more, but its a fantastic issue!



I'd still hold out hope, because I don't think Empire always gets it right (I'm still annoyed at the shoddy review some Empire critic gave to the DVD of Spartacus). Total Film gave AG a much better review, saying it was at least on par with The Departed. They guys on CHUD.com (a site I regularly check out) are really high on the film, and rank it as a masterpiece of the genre. On the other hand, some others are saying  "good, not great". This definitely sounds like one that has to be seen, to make up your own mind. I think it may well split opinion. Both Empire and Total Film agreed that Washington stole the show though.


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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 2:47:28 PM   
doncopey1


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Haiku

quote:

ORIGINAL: doncopey1

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ORIGINAL: Mycroft

What's the gist of it?


average, i'm afraid. i'll say no more, but its a fantastic issue!



I'd still hold out hope, because I don't think Empire always gets it right (I'm still annoyed at the shoddy review some Empire critic gave to the DVD of Spartacus). Total Film gave AG a much better review, saying it was at least on par with The Departed. They guys on CHUD.com (a site I regularly check out) are really high on the film, and rank it as a masterpiece of the genre. On the other hand, some others are saying  "good, not great". This definitely sounds like one that has to be seen, to make up your own mind. I think it may well split opinion. Both Empire and Total Film agreed that Washington stole the show though.


how many star did TF give it out of curiosity. Your comments give me hope!


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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 2:55:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: doncopey1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Haiku

quote:

ORIGINAL: doncopey1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mycroft

What's the gist of it?


average, i'm afraid. i'll say no more, but its a fantastic issue!



I'd still hold out hope, because I don't think Empire always gets it right (I'm still annoyed at the shoddy review some Empire critic gave to the DVD of Spartacus). Total Film gave AG a much better review, saying it was at least on par with The Departed. They guys on CHUD.com (a site I regularly check out) are really high on the film, and rank it as a masterpiece of the genre. On the other hand, some others are saying  "good, not great". This definitely sounds like one that has to be seen, to make up your own mind. I think it may well split opinion. Both Empire and Total Film agreed that Washington stole the show though.


how many star did TF give it out of curiosity. Your comments give me hope!



TF gave AG 4 Stars (out of 5),  and said while it didn't quite match the perfection of Goodfellas or The Godfather, it's a worthy and perfectly crafted addition to the genre, and is Ridley Scott's The Departed, in terms of quality and entertainment value.

I also think Empire really dropped the ball with their Eastern Promises review, which is another reason to hope. They gave EP a mediocre 3 star review (like AG), and when I watched it, it was one of the best films I'd seen all year. I don't think it deserved less than 4 stars. So maybe it's not a good time to be a gangster flick with some Empire reviewers.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 26/10/2007 6:02:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: doncopey1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Haiku

quote:

ORIGINAL: doncopey1

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ORIGINAL: Mycroft

What's the gist of it?


average, i'm afraid. i'll say no more, but its a fantastic issue!



I'd still hold out hope, because I don't think Empire always gets it right (I'm still annoyed at the shoddy review some Empire critic gave to the DVD of Spartacus). Total Film gave AG a much better review, saying it was at least on par with The Departed. They guys on CHUD.com (a site I regularly check out) are really high on the film, and rank it as a masterpiece of the genre. On the other hand, some others are saying  "good, not great". This definitely sounds like one that has to be seen, to make up your own mind. I think it may well split opinion. Both Empire and Total Film agreed that Washington stole the show though.


how many star did TF give it out of curiosity. Your comments give me hope!



TF gave AG 4 Stars (out of 5),  and said while it didn't quite match the perfection of Goodfellas or The Godfather, it's a worthy and perfectly crafted addition to the genre, and is Ridley Scott's The Departed, in terms of quality and entertainment value.

I also think Empire really dropped the ball with their Eastern Promises review, which is another reason to hope. They gave EP a mediocre 3 star review (like AG), and when I watched it, it was one of the best films I'd seen all year. I don't think it deserved less than 4 stars. So maybe it's not a good time to be a gangster flick with some Empire reviewers.


I'll take your word for it, Empire's review seemed merely a matter of opinion.


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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 27/10/2007 7:25:09 PM   
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I think it's better to go in with lowered expectations anyway. If you're expecting something average, it's quite likely that it will surprise you. Besides, even if it offers nothing new to the genre, a Ridley Scott made gangster film will be better than most of the films released this year. And how average can Denzel vs Russell possibly be?

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 27/10/2007 8:17:05 PM   
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Just read Total Films reviw made me alot more optimistic.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 29/10/2007 1:37:03 PM   
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Hopefully the review is just one of those reviews that Empire has gotten wrong and this film is not just another anti-climax. I saw the tailer for American Gangster around February/March and Ive been looking forward to it since so I hope Empire go it wrong.

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RE: American Gangster - Crowe and Washingston burning u... - 5/11/2007 4:29:00 PM   
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The rating on Rotten Tomatoes was excellent. 77% overall, but 100% from Cream of the crop critics (that is the likes of the New York Times and Variety), with an average mark of 8.1/10. To wit Kenneth Turan, LA Times (one of the most respected of all critics):

'American Gangster'
'American Gangster' has it -- just look at the title -- and pulls it off with verve.

IT takes nerve to call a film "American Gangster": It's more than a movie title, it's the name of a venerable genre that dates to cinema's beginnings. But once you see this finely made and richly satisfying film, you understand it's the only title possible.

In part that's because "American Gangster" is conscious of its place in that tough guy continuum. Visual and thematic references to classics such as "The Godfather," "Once Upon a Time in America" and "The Asphalt Jungle" show that director Ridley Scott and screenwriter Steven Zaillian are quite aware of their film's place in history.

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More than that, with Oscar-winning costars Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe joining forces with Scott and Zaillian, two of the best at what they do, "American Gangster" is mindful of continuing another tradition, that of sweeping, old-school epic filmmaking that artfully heightens reality even if it's based on the gritty facts of the Harlem drug trade of the 1970s.

Making this point even stronger is the presence of a pair of documentaries that cover roughly the same territory as "American Gangster." Frank Lucas, the drug lord Denzel Washington plays, is profiled in a BET Networks hour, while Nicky Barnes, Lucas' rival, gets a documentary of his own called "Mr. Untouchable."

But it is a tribute to the complexity and drama of Zaillian's character-driven script and to Scott's commanding grasp of large-scale visuals and sweeping storytelling that the truth is puny and uninvolving compared with the bravura moviemaking webs these men can weave. Scott is the third director (after Antoine Fuqua and Terry George) who signed on for this project, and he brings to it cinematic gifts no one else has.

It is Zaillian and Scott's notion that the gangster story is another version of the classic American success story, a theme that echoes "Asphalt Jungle's" famous description of crime as "a left-handed form of human endeavor." In the same way, the entrepreneurial Harlem drug dealers who wreak havoc in the streets took as gospel the line that starts "The Godfather:" "I believe in America."

"American Gangster's" two adversaries, drug kingpin Lucas (Washington) and Richie Roberts, the cop who becomes his "Les Misérables"-type nemesis (Crowe), can also be seen as two sides of the same scary coin, each of them fearless and driven by interior forces that make them terrors to be around.

Yet, unexpectedly, "American Gangster" has not only kept the face-to-face meetings between these two men to a minimum, it has also relegated them to the last hour of this 2-hour-and-40-minute film. In fact, Zaillian told Script magazine that he ended up "writing two separate scripts," one from Lucas' point of view, the other from Roberts', and then combining them to compelling effect.

As the title indicates, this is Lucas' story more than anyone else's, and it is no disrespect to the charismatic, magnetic work Crowe does to say that Washington's is the performance to savor here. The actor is always at his best, as he was in his Oscar-winning "Training Day," as the magnetic bad guy, the man with a malleable code who can say things like "If you weren't my brother I'd blow your brains out" and make you believe it.

Certainly the first glimpse we have of Lucas, being the good gangland soldier and unemotionally setting someone on fire, leaves us with few illusions about the man who was for 15 years the factotum to Harlem crime czar Bumpy Johnson. Yet Washington's performance makes it possible for us to see nuances in the man's character without shortchanging the malevolence of his actions, makes us see how in his own mind Lucas was a believer in family, integrity and character.

Washington is also expert at conveying the watchful waiting in Lucas, the man who took his time after Bumpy Johnson's death in 1968 to understand the power structure in criminal Harlem and figure out how to work the area's heroin traffic to his advantage. Bumpy, he notes, was rich, but "he wasn't white-man wealthy," and this becomes Lucas' goal.

To achieve this, as related in the Mark Jacobson article in New York magazine that started the project, Lucas went to Thailand and made his own deals with growers for the purest dope, which he called Blue Magic and had shipped back to the U.S. in the coffins of Americans who died fighting in Vietnam. A left-handed form of human endeavor indeed.

Back in America, Lucas cuts deals with the Mafia and bumptious Harlem rival Nicky Barnes (Cuba Gooding Jr.), brings his brothers (including Chiwetel Ejiofor's Huey) up from North Carolina to help him run the business and acquires a stunning Miss Puerto Rico (Lymari Nadal) as a girlfriend. "I sell product better than the competition at prices lower than the competition," Lucas boasts. "I am my own company."

Smoothly intercut by editor Pietro Scalia with these events is the story of Crowe's Richie Roberts, a tough Jewish cop at home with both a swagger and a sledgehammer. Possessed of a volcanic temper and a disinclination to wait for warrants if there's crime fighting to be done, the fearless, streetwise Roberts, like Lucas, has his own stern code of behavior.

So when he comes across a huge cache of money he could have walked off with, no questions asked, Roberts instead turns it in, and, like Frank Serpico before him, earns the enmity of those of his co-workers who are deeply suspicious of honest cops.

Being Richie also means royally irritating his wife, Laurie (Carla Gugino, far from "Spy Kids"), and getting into conflicts with connected crooked cops like Det. Trupo (the protean Josh Brolin). His worth is finally recognized, however, as part of a special antidrug task force, and the stage is set for his epochal face-off with Lucas.

Watching "American Gangster" in tandem with those Harlem drug documentaries underlines that this impressive film is less based on actual fact than on movie fiction.

Authorities and eyewitnesses may argue about who did what to whom in real life, but where the big screen is concerned, it matters not. What "American Gangster" is doing is re-creating myths, and it's good to see that the movies haven't lost their touch where that kind of work is concerned.


It’s also currently rating 8.5/10 on IMDB so far!

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