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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 5:31:00 PM

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I should say that I do rate Parker as well, he's shown his ability by being able to come into a top four club so seamlessly after being in a relegation fight all last year. That said, I think Lucas and Song are perhaps the two most underrated players in that position playing in the PL at the moment - Liverpool's performances without him this season being a testament to how important he is to their midfield. Song has come on massively the last two seasons for me, he can still be defensively suspect but he's not really playing the DM role in our current setup - more of an out and out box-to-box player, with more defensive duties than the player in front of him in our central three. I know I've gone on about Arteta a bit this season, but I think he's been essential to Song's development over the few months: he gives a similar sort of composure that Parker brings to Spurs, which frees up Song to get forward more and lay off some of those sexy chipped throughballs (his assist for Walcott yesterday, woof).

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 5:56:34 PM

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Parker doesn't hurtle around the pitch, he's not a headless chicken by any means, he's just got swift movement and can read the situations well, take the way he played at Chelsea yesterday in the first half where Spurs were struggling and he kept his composure and got them out of trouble on more than a couple of occasions with his tackling, neat ball control and accurate passing, he rarely gives the ball away.

I'm not saying he's a headless chicken, but he certainly has to move around the pitch more than Lucas does. A sign of a top top top player in that position is that they don't need to. You almost don't realise they're there because they intercept and patrol a small area due to their positioning.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 6:09:12 PM

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Parker doesn't hurtle around the pitch, he's not a headless chicken by any means, he's just got swift movement and can read the situations well, take the way he played at Chelsea yesterday in the first half where Spurs were struggling and he kept his composure and got them out of trouble on more than a couple of occasions with his tackling, neat ball control and accurate passing, he rarely gives the ball away.

I'm not saying he's a headless chicken, but he certainly has to move around the pitch more than Lucas does. A sign of a top top top player in that position is that they don't need to. You almost don't realise they're there because they intercept and patrol a small area due to their positioning.

But it shows Parker to be the player he is, by the fact he can pretty much roam free in midfield, whilst he may be down on the teamsheet in a central role, it's his ability to move across all areas and control periods of player for Spurs that make him the better player, I'm sure he could stay in one area if you wanted him to but that would not be utilizing fully the talents he has.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:18:09 PM

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Lucas > Parker > Song (cos he's more creative than defensive innit)

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:23:18 PM

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Lucas > Parker > Song (cos he's more creative than defensive innit)

Parker can be very creative as well, his removed a bit by the job he needs to do at Spurs, but for us he was more of an attacking than defensive midfielder and he was a huge part of our success in the premiership for seven seasons. I remember one game where he ripped Everton's defence apart on two seperate occasions, they just couldn't get the ball off him as he dribbled his way in and out of the box and set up both our goals. I also remember him and PDC's destruction job on Chelsea in the 4-2 Boxing Day victory and the way he led from the front on 'Black Sabbath' when we did Olaf's boys 4-2 in their own backyard. I seem to remember even Thierry Henry admitting that day that Parker had been simply awesome.

I'd like to see Parker get forward a bit more but both West Ham and Spurs wanted him in that holding role for obvious reasons and that's fair enough. When you see Parker cut open the heart of midfield and dink the ball through for Adebayor or smash one in from 30 odd yards into the far corner you'll see what I mean.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:29:08 PM

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The holding role is a piece of shit reserved for wieners like Busquets.

Parker was much better at West Ham, he played like a genuine midfielder whereas now Redknapp keeps him in a defensive role 90% of the time.

But yeah, Song is well better than both of them. Those passes to van Persie for his two volleys prove this.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:36:03 PM

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Shit, did I use those little arrow things right? this '>' means better right? Bloody kids and thier fancy internet lingo....

Anyway, I know Parker can attack and I've always thought he was ace but I think Lucas reads the game better and when your charged with holding things together in midfield for Brazil then you must have some talent. Liverpool have suffered without him and they'll look much better with him back in the team so yeah, Lucas is better than Parker who is better than Song.

Desperately Average is probably the best description of Gareth Barry too, I still laugh at the way Ozil just ran past him at the WC. I've never seen a footballer move so slow...

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:46:20 PM

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The holding role is a piece of shit reserved for wieners like Busquets.

Parker was much better at West Ham, he played like a genuine midfielder whereas now Redknapp keeps him in a defensive role 90% of the time.

But yeah, Song is well better than both of them. Those passes to van Persie for his two volleys prove this.

Not if the holding role is done properly, like Makelele did for so many years at Real Madrid.

Parker's best period at a club was still Charlton, says I!

Pah, Parker managed to set up wonderful goals for players with far less class against superb defences as a premiership player with us. This I feel makes him the better player.

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Shit, did I use those little arrow things right? this '>' means better right? Bloody kids and thier fancy internet lingo....

I'm not sure, I think so......wait........maybe....oh, I don't know either mate!

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Anyway, I know Parker can attack and I've always thought he was ace but I think Lucas reads the game better and when your charged with holding things together in midfield for Brazil then you must have some talent. Liverpool have suffered without him and they'll look much better with him back in the team so yeah, Lucas is better than Parker who is better than Song.

Desperately Average is probably the best description of Gareth Barry too, I still laugh at the way Ozil just ran past him at the WC. I've never seen a footballer move so slow...

I'm looking forward to seeing what Parker can do at Euro 2012, it's an utter disgrace it's the first major tournament he's going too and Sven and Capello should hang their heads in shame. I feel Parker's the better of the three but who cares really, this is after all the Man City thread and I don't think any of them play for City.

Although I think the overriding fact here was that they are all, without a shadow of a doubt, far better than Barry!

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:49:17 PM

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Shit, did I use those little arrow things right? this '>' means better right? Bloody kids and thier fancy internet lingo....

Anyway, I know Parker can attack and I've always thought he was ace but I think Lucas reads the game better and when your charged with holding things together in midfield for Brazil then you must have some talent. Liverpool have suffered without him and they'll look much better with him back in the team so yeah, Lucas is better than Parker who is better than Song.

Desperately Average is probably the best description of Gareth Barry too, I still laugh at the way Ozil just ran past him at the WC. I've never seen a footballer move so slow...

Considering how rubbish Brazil have been over the past few years, not really.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:51:24 PM

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quote:

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Shit, did I use those little arrow things right? this '>' means better right? Bloody kids and thier fancy internet lingo....

Anyway, I know Parker can attack and I've always thought he was ace but I think Lucas reads the game better and when your charged with holding things together in midfield for Brazil then you must have some talent. Liverpool have suffered without him and they'll look much better with him back in the team so yeah, Lucas is better than Parker who is better than Song.

Desperately Average is probably the best description of Gareth Barry too, I still laugh at the way Ozil just ran past him at the WC. I've never seen a footballer move so slow...

Considering how rubbish Brazil have been over the past few years, not really.

I was going to say that.

Has anyone seen the clash of egos that is Pele and Maradona of late? "He must have taken the wrong medication to say something like that!"

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:52:08 PM

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The holding role is a piece of shit reserved for wieners like Busquets.

Parker was much better at West Ham, he played like a genuine midfielder whereas now Redknapp keeps him in a defensive role 90% of the time.

But yeah, Song is well better than both of them. Those passes to van Persie for his two volleys prove this.

Not if the holding role is done properly, like Makelele did for so many years at Real Madrid.

Ugh.

Makelele is one of the most overrated players in the history of the game. Ever.

Never has a player who only played 50% of the game been more unjustly praise.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:55:21 PM

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Pffft, your logic doesn't belong here.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 7:56:30 PM

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I was a huge fan of Makelele, he sold me on the holding role as a proper position within the game.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 8:41:15 PM

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I'm glad Parker's come on leaps and bounds for everyone else 'cos he was fucking shite for us.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 9:16:08 PM

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The holding role is a piece of shit reserved for wieners like Busquets.

Parker was much better at West Ham, he played like a genuine midfielder whereas now Redknapp keeps him in a defensive role 90% of the time.

But yeah, Song is well better than both of them. Those passes to van Persie for his two volleys prove this.

Not if the holding role is done properly, like Makelele did for so many years at Real Madrid.

Ugh.

Makelele is one of the most overrated players in the history of the game. Ever.

Never has a player who only played 50% of the game been more unjustly praise.

Your wrong - he won practically everything with Madrid and then they noticeably dropped off after his departure. He was rated one of the most important members of the side by none other than Zidane - he came over to Chelsea and won a couple of PL titles as well lest we forget.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 25/3/2012 9:37:01 PM

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The holding role is a piece of shit reserved for wieners like Busquets.

Parker was much better at West Ham, he played like a genuine midfielder whereas now Redknapp keeps him in a defensive role 90% of the time.

But yeah, Song is well better than both of them. Those passes to van Persie for his two volleys prove this.

Not if the holding role is done properly, like Makelele did for so many years at Real Madrid.

Ugh.

Makelele is one of the most overrated players in the history of the game. Ever.

Never has a player who only played 50% of the game been more unjustly praise.

Bloody hell, here's me thinking your Joe Hart comments were taking the piss.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 26/3/2012 10:09:51 AM

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Lucas > Parker > Song (cos he's more creative than defensive innit)

This is quite an interesting link I came across yesterday: http://news.arseblog.com/2012/03/liverpool-1-2-arsenal-by-the-numbers/

The only player in an English team in the top ten European successful throughballs per game apparently. And the writer correctly points out how eerily similar his stats are to Cesc. I reckon that part of the reason why Song is so underrated is that his role in the team isn't as easy to define as DM/AM/etc; I've heard some fans say that he's not a defensive midfielder which I think is still inaccurate (looking at his tackles/interceptions per game shows this), but he's definitely not a conventional holding player. The inclusion of Arteta has been integral to finally making what Song does work properly the last few months - considering plenty of people (myself included) have been crying about replacing Gilberto for years and years now, it's good to have some sort of solution (even if it's not the one we expected).

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RE: Man City Thread - 2007/08 - 26/3/2012 2:57:03 PM

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Seriously Lucas is better, his positioning is far better for a start. Too often Parker has to go running around because he couldn't read the play whereas Lucas can. Lucas can also dominate a midfield more effectively, negating the main creative threat and spreading the play about.

No, Parker goes running around to sweep up other players' messes, he patrols the middle of the field well and can be that box to box player every club needs, I'd say his variety of positioning and the way he can move across the park is what makes him the player he is, certainly did at Charlton. Lucas, on the other hand, is very inconsistent and from what I hear, far from a fan favourite up at Anfield.

You hear wrong. He was voted player of the season last year by the fans. He has come on leaps and bounds since Masch has left and been a big miss for us this season.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 30/3/2012 9:02:51 PM

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So what's this "silly injury" that Aguerro has picked up, putting him out of tomorrows game? Mancini was asked about it in a press conference earlier today and could barely contain himself from laughing. Still wouldn't say though...

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 30/3/2012 9:15:19 PM

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 2/4/2012 3:27:57 PM

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So what's this "silly injury" that Aguerro has picked up, putting him out of tomorrows game? Mancini was asked about it in a press conference earlier today and could barely contain himself from laughing. Still wouldn't say though...

Think it was a reaction to some foot spray he used.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 2/4/2012 4:39:25 PM

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So what's this "silly injury" that Aguerro has picked up, putting him out of tomorrows game? Mancini was asked about it in a press conference earlier today and could barely contain himself from laughing. Still wouldn't say though...

Think it was a reaction to some foot spray he used.

I heard he'd fallen off his mate's motorbike or something?

We had some silly injuries in our time, Darren Bent mainly. Fell through the glass table in his living room after playing star wars with either his son or nephew (can't remember which) and the other time when he sliced the top of his hand making a sandwich (christ knows how that keeps you out of two games but there we go...), the worst part was he tried to make some clever quip to the newspaper reporters about the latter that it was his wife's fault because "she wasn't at home to make it for him." Charlton ladies were less than impressed.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 9/4/2012 11:14:18 AM

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I said this right from the start - Man City's owners are total bellends and the massive fuckup that is the loss of the PL title (and the lack of success generally) is down to them.

1. They kept on Mark Hughes for about a year too long - a stark indication of their incompetence.
2. When they finally 'woke up' they signed the world beater that is Mancini, who has spent about twice as much as he should have and not even managed to make it out of the Champs League group stages let alone win the league .

I just wanna say I like Man City and I don't have any problem with teams buying their way to success - hell every successful club in Europe spends shitloads, but Man City have proven beyond any doubt that some people have more money than sense....

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 9/4/2012 11:20:12 AM

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quote:

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So what's this "silly injury" that Aguerro has picked up, putting him out of tomorrows game? Mancini was asked about it in a press conference earlier today and could barely contain himself from laughing. Still wouldn't say though...

Think it was a reaction to some foot spray he used.

I heard he'd fallen off his mate's motorbike or something?

We had some silly injuries in our time, Darren Bent mainly. Fell through the glass table in his living room after playing star wars with either his son or nephew (can't remember which) and the other time when he sliced the top of his hand making a sandwich (christ knows how that keeps you out of two games but there we go...), the worst part was he tried to make some clever quip to the newspaper reporters about the latter that it was his wife's fault because "she wasn't at home to make it for him." Charlton ladies were less than impressed.

When it comes to "you daft bugger" injuries, you can't top Michael Stensgaard, Liverpool's former reserve keeper.

Dislocated his shoulder setting up an ironing board, and pretty much ended his career.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 9/4/2012 8:33:50 PM

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I said this right from the start - Man City's owners are total bellends and the massive fuckup that is the loss of the PL title (and the lack of success generally) is down to them.

1. They kept on Mark Hughes for about a year too long - a stark indication of their incompetence.
2. When they finally 'woke up' they signed the world beater that is Mancini, who has spent about twice as much as he should have and not even managed to make it out of the Champs League group stages let alone win the league .

I just wanna say I like Man City and I don't have any problem with teams buying their way to success - hell every successful club in Europe spends shitloads, but Man City have proven beyond any doubt that some people have more money than sense....

Gosh. When it comes to reasons City didn't win the league this season, I didn't expect it to be the owners getting the finger pointed at them.

While I agree with you about Hughes, I can see that the owners didn't want to come in as these guys who just throw the old out straight away, and also I don't know how good their soccer knowledge was, but I can really see the argument for not rocking the boat too soon.

Mancini has made a pigs ear of it, let's be honest. I think failing to clear the group stages of the CL was the least of his failures. Everyone said it was a tough group, first time in the CL, etc. But the falling out with Tevez, the failure to keep players fit, the tactics and lack of drive recently, the way Balotelli seems to have divided the squad. Big mistakes in a league City should have walked this season.

I still think they'll keep Mancini for another season (or at least he'll start next season).

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 14/4/2012 3:13:33 PM

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City looking impressive again these last couple of games; playing with a freedom we haven't seen from them in a few months...

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 15/4/2012 9:31:01 AM

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Tevez is without doubt a fucking class player but the one club in world football who could've made a statement about the whole thing is City...but in all honest I couldn't give a shit because I like watching him play!

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 15/4/2012 11:33:53 AM

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Tevez is without doubt a fucking class player but the one club in world football who could've made a statement about the whole thing is City...but in all honest I couldn't give a shit because I like watching him play!

City are a joke on this Tevez issue.
Though its nice to see there fans have forgotten the circumstances which Tevez made City into abit of a laughing stock during those 4 months.

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 15/4/2012 11:38:03 AM

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Tevez is without doubt a fucking class player but the one club in world football who could've made a statement about the whole thing is City...but in all honest I couldn't give a shit because I like watching him play!

City are a joke on this Tevez issue.
Though its nice to see there fans have forgotten the circumstances which Tevez made City into abit of a laughing stock during those 4 months.

Football fans in "fickle" shocker....

I mean, if Wayne Rooney were to suddenly come out, demand a transfer, openly criticise the clubs transfer policy and then come out of it with a massive pay rise, the United fans would never forgive him...

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RE: Man City Thread - 2009/2010 - 15/4/2012 11:56:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

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Tevez is without doubt a fucking class player but the one club in world football who could've made a statement about the whole thing is City...but in all honest I couldn't give a shit because I like watching him play!

City are a joke on this Tevez issue.
Though its nice to see there fans have forgotten the circumstances which Tevez made City into abit of a laughing stock during those 4 months.

Football fans in "fickle" shocker....

I mean, if Wayne Rooney were to suddenly come out, demand a transfer, openly criticise the clubs transfer policy and then come out of it with a massive pay rise, the United fans would never forgive him...

To be fair there is still a section of United fans that boo and openly call him a "scouse b*stard" at OT.
But yep football fans are fickle.
Who you could be praising today could be your enemy tommowow,in that sense football fans and footballers deserve each-other.

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