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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 18/7/2012 9:40:10 PM   
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The fact that he dresses like a Bat is just the awesome icing on the awesome fucking cake


Haha. Well said.

I've been a Batfan for 25 years and it's never been better than right now. To quote Lucius Fox "I find I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold I thought in my head".

I've spent the last three days constantly refreshing Rottentomatoes.com to see the latest reviews! It's pretty sad but I just don't care!

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The Dark Knight Rises - 18/7/2012 9:44:33 PM   
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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 18/7/2012 9:54:29 PM   
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Here here, Alistair.

These films have been a great ride and it's been fantastic having such good company on this thread to share the excitement and engage in the speculation.

Just got hit by a bloody spoiler earlier though. Took me by complete surprise. Some prick on facebook had commented on a photo on page regarding the film I 'liked' ages ago, which I forgot posts items into my news feed. Then I just saw the exact same spoiler on a Youtube comment. Gah. I think I'm going to have to ban myself from the internet never mind SHH!

Take that as a warning, there are a lot of idiots about looking to spoil it.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 2:16:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alistair

You're not alone, worry not.

I'm fortunate to work with a guy who's as geeky and enthusiastic as me, but I think the girls in the office are sick of rolling their eyes at our in-depth Batman discussion

I am counting down the days. I can't believe it's only Thursday tomorrow!!! Hurry up!!

I have to say that I have anticipated many films over the years. The anticipation for the Lord Of The Rings films was something special for me (and I don't think The Hobbit will recapture that I'm afraid), but I have never anticipated a single film like I have TDKR. It's a momentus film for me. It represents everything I love about a great story - Inspiring, emotional, dramatic, rousing. A powerful story, not of a man who dresses as a bat, but a story about a man who cares so much for what he believes in and is willing to sacrifice his life in order to see it through. This may sound like a bunch of hokum to some people, but these are truly the reasons it connects with people. Batman has existed for 70 years, but never has the character been more thrilling than in Christopher Nolan's superlative films.

Batman is the greatest superhero of them all. Because he's just a man with astonishing belief and strength of will. The fact that he dresses like a Bat is just the awesome icing on the awesome fucking cake. Iconic.


Thanks for that post Alistair, awesomely put and articulates perfectly what I and I'm sure many others feel about the character. There's something very special about Batman that appeals to people culturally and is the reason that he has endured in the collective imagination for so long. The buzz of excitement surrounding TDKR just shows what a phenomenon the character is, and for me the final film represents the end of an epoch in the character's history, rather than just a series of films about the character.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 7:01:42 AM   
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Right, well I saw it last night. (NO SPOILERS HERE) Absoslutely fantastic, you lot are in for a great ride, albeit an emotional one. Hardy was great. Bale was great. Anne Hathaway was brilliant. The overall scale was huge. Time will tell if it stands better then the other two as a stand alone film, but I will say that as a cap to one of the best trilogies of the last decade, if not ever in some people's eyes, it brings to a close the story of Bruce Wayne in a perfectly conceived and greatly satisfying manner. Until I see it again I can't say much more other then that our collective faith in Nolan and co. has been rewarded.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 9:25:55 AM   
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Well, I'm not going to do a full write up just yet - I'll do something more substantial over the weekend as more people see it and can discuss it - but I can safely say this is a great, great movie. Just excellent stuff. Like The Dark Knight before it, it has it's flaws and I suspect that just like The Dark Knight repeat viewings will highlight it's run time. However, I felt none of that during that first viewing, my issues were more to do with some elements of the plot, or more specifically, Bane's overall plot to bring down Gotham. People that have followed production, like myself, will know a lot of what is coming, but that really doesnt distract from how well it is actually done on screen. Performances from the main cast are all really good, with only a few bit part players really raising eyebrows with odd line readings (nothing dissimilar to what we saw in Begins or Dark Knight) and the film looks great, seriously seriously great. Having been listening to Zimmers score all week I have nothing but love for it, but again there were mumurs after the screening (not least from my missus) that some elements of the sound mix were really up, meaning some parts of dialogue were missed (again, nothing dissimilar to the first two films). As blockbuster entertainment goes, and certainly as far as comic book adaptaions go, it doesnt get much better than this. Genuinely stunning in places.

I will say this though, I've a feeling the finale will cause debate and will likely be hated by many. I loved the final shot, but there was also a measure of dissapointment that crept in immediately after - or maybe it was sadness due to its implications? - and I think some people will really cling to it as a reason for hating the whole movie. As a trilogy, this overall story arc across three films works perfectly and makes perfect sense. Some people will be convinced it is not true to its comic book origins, but it really really does work. Honestly, despite a few flaws, this is five star film making and a five star experience. Even people with no love for the story and how Nolan chose to portray Batman cannot deny how expertly it is done on screen. Seriously, the more I think about it, the more I love and the more I want to write. The more I want to discuss things in detail and how people feel about the finale. However, I'll wait until the weekend for more comments and discussion. I'll be seeing it again Friday, cant wait.

Also, if you choose to read Harry Knowles spoiler filled review, please note that he appears to be talking utter shit. I can really understand why some people are going to have problems with this movie, I really can, and some other negative reviews have nailed on some of the flaws I picked up. However, Harry Knowles' review is just fucking ridiculous and comes off like his Matric Reloaded review from years ago, where he got pissed that the movie didnt include werewolves and vampires to satisfy his own desires. Harry's doesnt seem capable of accepting this film, about Batman, can be approached in a different style to how he would like to see it. He makes some really bizzare criticisms (no Venom, no huge Bane, Bruce's character motivations - that one is the worst criticism as everything the guy does makes perfect perfect sense in this Nolan-verse) and compares the movie to True Lies, Rocky and every Stallone film ever. Seriously, this film has flaws, but none are the ones Harry is claiming and none stop it being anything less that great.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 10:03:58 AM   
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Yes, while i didnt bother with Knowles's review it seems that most of the harsh reviews this film is getting spend more time criticising the supposed "allegories" to modern politics or how the film deviates from how they would have liked the trilogy to have ended, then the actual film itself. Sure, it has flaws, as did the other two, but for me they are significantly minor compared to how brilliantly Nolan has set up the character of Bruce Wayne and crafted his arc through these three films. So well done it is, that I'm sure he really did have the whole damn thing planned out from the beginning...

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 10:11:43 AM   
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Cheers for the thought chaps.

It's going to be a very long 28 hours and 25 minutes for me. At least I get to listen to the soundtrack another 17 times though.

I've been posting in this thread for nearly seven years. That's scary!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 10:23:55 AM   
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Knowles review is the only negative review I've read that I really thought 'this guy has no clue'. In most the other negative reviews, there were elements where I thought 'yea, I can see how/why someone would feel that' and it mostly comes off as appropriate criticism. However, Knowles is plain fucking stupid, getting annoyed cos he thinks the Rocky movies are more brutal and that Stallone's character in any of his movies would wipe the floor with him. It's such an utterly ridiculous thing to say. His review mentions Rocky, Stallone and True Lies and although it's never said outright, it's as if he's critiquing Dark Knight Rises against the 80's action flicks of Stallone/Arnie. It really got me thinking that maybe the death of Stallone's son (Stallone is his close personal friend) had somehow influenced the review, or that maybe he is just itching to see Expendables 2. I dunno, even for Knowles it is fucking bizarre. His other criticisms are mostly laid at character motivations and actions ("Bruce/Batman would never have done that in the comics" etc) and that may have been a valid criticism if the character arcs weren't near as dammit perfect. Every action of Bruce Wayne and Batman makes sense within the context of these films. Seriously, what a fucking dumb review. It may be worth it though to read the car crash that the comments section will become.

Anyway, I am still buzzing after seeing it. Cannot wait to see it again. Cannot fucking wait. Great movie.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 10:34:44 AM   
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I honestly find Knowles irrelevant as a critic these days. Not because he doesn't like TDKR (haven't read the review and won't until seeing the film) but because he's just a bit of a buffoon.

I'd put far more thought into seeing a film based on a two / three star review from Empire / Total Film than I ever would about Knowles wanting to make love to some film that he believes is the second coming.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 10:39:12 AM   
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I honestly find Knowles irrelevant as a critic these days. Not because he doesn't like TDKR (haven't read the review and won't until seeing the film) but because he's just a bit of a buffoon.

I'd put far more thought into seeing a film based on a two / three star review from Empire / Total Film than I ever would about Knowles wanting to make love to some film that he believes is the second coming.


Yea, I dont care for Knowles as a serious film critique either. I hate his review style (13 paragraphs telling me about his childhood is a surefire clue that his review will be a gushing love letter to some utter bollocks film that was made by one of his celeb mates) and cant remember many films that he has reviewed that I've really agreed with. But this Dark Knight Rises review will stick in my memory alongside his Matrix Reloaded review as prime examples of why he should never be listened to.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 10:46:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob

I honestly find Knowles irrelevant as a critic these days. Not because he doesn't like TDKR (haven't read the review and won't until seeing the film) but because he's just a bit of a buffoon.

I'd put far more thought into seeing a film based on a two / three star review from Empire / Total Film than I ever would about Knowles wanting to make love to some film that he believes is the second coming.


Yea, I dont care for Knowles as a serious film critique either. I hate his review style (13 paragraphs telling me about his childhood is a surefire clue that his review will be a gushing love letter to some utter bollocks film that was made by one of his celeb mates) and cant remember many films that he has reviewed that I've really agreed with. But this Dark Knight Rises review will stick in my memory alongside his Matrix Reloaded review as prime examples of why he should never be listened to.


Absolutely. All I remember is that he didn't like it and wanted to see more werewolves and vampires or something. Then bizarrely didn't he want to make love to Revolutions and say how great it was? I might be talking rubbish but can't even be bothered to check!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 10:57:20 AM   
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Well, this is it... I am about to depart for my journey to the great London City of Londinium to partake in the Batman BFI Experience tomorrow evening... wish me luck!


*whoosh*

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 11:13:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob


quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob

I honestly find Knowles irrelevant as a critic these days. Not because he doesn't like TDKR (haven't read the review and won't until seeing the film) but because he's just a bit of a buffoon.

I'd put far more thought into seeing a film based on a two / three star review from Empire / Total Film than I ever would about Knowles wanting to make love to some film that he believes is the second coming.


Yea, I dont care for Knowles as a serious film critique either. I hate his review style (13 paragraphs telling me about his childhood is a surefire clue that his review will be a gushing love letter to some utter bollocks film that was made by one of his celeb mates) and cant remember many films that he has reviewed that I've really agreed with. But this Dark Knight Rises review will stick in my memory alongside his Matrix Reloaded review as prime examples of why he should never be listened to.


Absolutely. All I remember is that he didn't like it and wanted to see more werewolves and vampires or something. Then bizarrely didn't he want to make love to Revolutions and say how great it was? I might be talking rubbish but can't even be bothered to check!


That was essentially it yea, Reloaded was hammered cos there was a hint that the Supernatural as we know it (werewolves, vampires, ghosts etc) were merely glitches and rougue programs within the Matrix and it was shown mostly via the Twins and two of Persephone's body guards - that was all it needed and expanding on it any more wouldve been insane. However, Knowles went nuts, hatting the movie for not delivering full on Werewolve/Vampire fights, which lets face it wouldve been ridiculous within the world and tone of those movies. Fucking terrible review. Anyway, rest safe in the fact that his Rises review is equally misguided and full of bull shit.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 11:13:44 AM   
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Well, this is it... I am about to depart for my journey to the great London City of Londinium to partake in the Batman BFI Experience tomorrow evening... wish me luck!


*whoosh*


Good luck mate. You're doing the 14:35 showing right? See you there!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 11:23:43 AM   
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A question to those who have already seen it: How does the amount of action compare to the previous 2 movies? Is there more action in it or about the same?

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 11:42:17 AM   
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A question to those who have already seen it: How does the amount of action compare to the previous 2 movies? Is there more action in it or about the same?


I'd say more action.

I never really noticed the run time last night, but I think like Dark Knight, the more I see it, the more than could be an issue, and with Dark Knight the run time issues were apparent after the truck chase, I'd say Rises issues are more to do with the middle third of the movie, rather than the last. However, having said that, the middle third also contains some of my favourite moments.

I think what is good about Nolans films is characters may not have a huge amount of screen time but they all make a really big impact. I think Joker is on screen for about 25 minutes in Dark Knight, but it feels like so much more. Same with Batman in Begins, he doesnt appear for an hour and all in is only on screen for about 40 minutes, maybe less, but it feels more.

Thinking about it - which is pretty much all ive done since seeing it - I'm weighing up things constantly and constantly finding more things to love and at present, I think this one ranks above Dark Knight but below Begins in my opinion.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 11:52:38 AM   
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Ahhh, reading all these comments I'm so excited! Ain't had this type of anticipation for a film since I was a kid waiting to see Power Rangers...........

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 2:04:46 PM   
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2 weeks of avoiding spoilers and took an innocent scroll through twitter and a certain Premier League player posts a massive spoiler. And ends his tweet with 'not saying anymore.'

He'd said enough. As a fan of his big rivals (why am I even following him?) I now plan to attend our home game this upcoming season and deliver my own brand of Tender Justice!!



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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 3:49:52 PM   
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Just got hit by a bloody spoiler earlier though. Took me by complete surprise. Some prick on facebook had commented on a photo on page regarding the film I 'liked' ages ago, which I forgot posts items into my news feed. Then I just saw the exact same spoiler on a Youtube comment. Gah. I think I'm going to have to ban myself from the internet never mind SHH!

Take that as a warning, there are a lot of idiots about looking to spoil it.


That is why i went for the 9AM showing as i know some idiot will put something on my FB about the ending etc.

First film in a long time where i havent even tried to guess at what is going to happen or read any reviews.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 6:40:39 PM   
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Not reading any reviews. Going to the Manchester Imax showing tomorrow afternoon. I have a friend who is going to the five am showing at odeon in Liverpool one. I have told him not to text or call me at all until I contact him. I don't even want a slight measure of his thoughts on it. All I have seen are the trailers and stills and a few star ratings which have all been very positive.

There was one quote I read in the Independent though which was intriguing, this may be a spoiler in terms of tone so don't read on, but it said; 'The Dark Knight Rises - Brilliant but depressing'. I think the fact that these films sometimes get leveled with the criticism of how 'gloomy' or 'sombre' they are is a massive testament to Christopher Nolan and co.

He has forced critics and audiences alike to take this character very seriously indeed. The fact that a certain element kick off about their tragic/morbid tone or whatever is evident that these are not just superhero films anymore.

When the Avengers came out, it was met with surprise of how enjoyable it was, it being good was a bonus really, as almost every superhero movie these days is met with a casual indifference, critics do not demand anything from these films as usually they're average fare, but with Nolan's Bat movies it's very different; the bar has been set so high from the start that every installment is now reviewed, not just as a superhero film, but as seriously as a film that would be seen as Academy Awards bait. So when a critic comments on it's tone and it's themes, for me, it's a sign that once again Nolan has succeeded in creating something more than your average Marvel output. There is depth and substance there that virtually no other writer/director injects into their superhero franchises. We have been very lucky as Batman fans to have such a man taking the character on. (p.s. This isn't a Marvel bashing post )

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 9:35:55 PM   
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The only thing I allowed myself to be spoiled is looking at a photo and reading a spoiler free review. The only spoilers in that review is Bane is a nasty piece of work and Catwoman is never mentioned once. However I had glimspe of some people reactions on a sci fi website and linked to various sources. These reactions claim they are spoiler free yet kept on hinting at the samething. Fuck sake.
It's like I saw an early screening of Superman Returns and posting a spoiler free review. The film is a homage to the Donner Supermans, anyway Lios Lane boy is Superman son.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 10:17:27 AM   
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Just initiated a Facebook lockdown until Tuesday, as someone is bound to blab on there before too long. This thread still feels safe though, good work holding your tongues those who’ve had the pleasure!

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The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 10:41:22 AM   
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This is unbelievable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492



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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 10:45:46 AM   
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This is unbelievable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492




Jesus! That’s awful. Makes you feel sick what people are capable of doing.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:23:36 PM   
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And here we go. Off to the 14:35 showing!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:12:28 PM   
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Just got back. NO SPOILERS WHATSOEVER but I personally didn't think it was that great. A huge shame but judging by other reactions I am severely in the minority. I know that's not a great argument that i 'didn't think it was that great' but don't want to spoil anything. Fun discussions to come in the next few weeks though ha.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:13:45 PM   
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Off to see this in approx 9 hours!

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The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:33:11 PM   
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Just got back. NO SPOILERS WHATSOEVER but I personally didn't think it was that great. A huge shame but judging by other reactions I am severely in the minority. I know that's not a great argument that i 'didn't think it was that great' but don't want to spoil anything. Fun discussions to come in the next few weeks though ha.


It seems a lot of 'critics' couldn't heap enough praise on it, but the general movie-goer seems to be a bit 'meh' about it. I'm curious to see it now, as it will be interesting to see why it is dividing people so much.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:38:32 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheSpleen
Just got back. NO SPOILERS WHATSOEVER but I personally didn't think it was that great. A huge shame but judging by other reactions I am severely in the minority. I know that's not a great argument that i 'didn't think it was that great' but don't want to spoil anything. Fun discussions to come in the next few weeks though ha.


It seems a lot of 'critics' couldn't heap enough praise on it, but the general movie-goer seems to be a bit 'meh' about it. I'm curious to see it now, as it will be interesting to see why it is dividing people so much.


Funnily enough just finished chatting to a friend who said the same thing. Rumour has it the gushing reviews were allowed out and the more critical ones were held back. Having said that, some scenes I loved it's just simply in my opinion not a scratch on the previous two.

I hope everyone loves it and it's just me who is 'meh' but there are a few emerging 'meh's' here and there.

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