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Sigh.
I think those who believe JGL will be anything more than just a helpful cop are going to find themselves very disappointed.
Even though the structure of the film is still a little confusing, and we're all still pretty clueless about the overall plot, I can categorically say that that IS Christian Bale in the batsuit and it is very clear to piece together the 'fight' and imprisonment scenes of the film. Batman (Bruce Wayne) fights Bane, Bane knocks him for six, Bane imprisons Bruce, etc, etc. Nobody will take his place. I too put my house on it. I think people are over-thinking the JGL aspect of the film. Completely over-thinking it.
Whilst I agree that in the shot being referred to it most certainly is Bale and that the Bane/Bat fight in the sewers (it looks like sewers but not sure that was confiremd?) is clearly Bale and appears to lead to the beating of Bats and the imprisonment of Bruce, I still think there is possibility of the Batman legend being picked up by someone other than Bruce. I'm not convinced by jobloffski's thoughts of JGL being a Batman imposter taking over whilst Bats is away..... dont like the idea of that at all.
Possible spoilers from here on in, based of set pics and scene descriptions from the shoot..... although none of this is confirmed, if any of the below turns out to be true, I warned you!!!
So, it's pretty clear to me that Blake has some connection to orphans/kids in this movie. Bruce himself, although not abandoned, was orphaned and was lost in his quest for revenge until he met Ra's. I think that Blake himself is an orphan and seems to have a link to some orphan kids in the movie, with behind the scenes set pics and vids showing him entering and leaving (possibly with several kids in tow - not confirmed) an orphanage whilst Bane's tumblers patrol the streets. The trailer shows him talking with one kid, and it looks like he is on the bridges when the bombs go off, again, with a bunch of (possibly orphan) kids. Maybe seeing that and seeing a number of kids die at the hands of Bane drives him to be lost, looking for revenge - just like Bruce. Maybe??
Behind the scene pics showed Selina protecting some kid from a thug, again, maybe another lost street kid of Gotham. Maybe Selina is from a similar background and feels a need to protect kids in this position. A nice mirror of Blake maybe? Both orphans but moving in two directions (one a cop, the other a criminal) as adults. Of course, if that were the case, than both those characters have an automatic connection with Bruce, and if Bruce and Blake strike up friendship and spend time together then it's possible the mantle could be handed over. If there is that kind of characterisation of Blake, then he would become an obvious choice to hand over the Batman legend too. I could totally see it, and as Ive said before, if there is a shot of Batman that may not be Bale and may be JGL, it could be Bats atop the bridge. If Blake witnesses a real tradgedy on those bridges, then maybe that is where he would return, as Batman, to stand as a guardian looking over the city for a stunning final shot of the movie?? Both Batman Begins and TDK trailers featured the final shot of the movie, would Rises follow the same path? Maybe?
I've suggested it a number of times that the timespan of this movie could be huge, and not just that it takes place eight years after TDK, i think we will see a big timeframe in TDKR and I think the whole mid-section of the film will be with Bruce away and Bane in control of Gotham for a prolonged period, possibly after the 'Doomsday Device' is used. Look at the wall of cars in that huge tunnel, they're all destroyed and burnt out and the tunnel itself is cracked and appears damaged. That mustve happened during the use of whatever the weapon is, and the cars are then covered in snow, suggesting they've been there for a long time. Likewise, look at the ground below the Batwing as it barrel rolls over the building, the streets and bridges have collapsed and have been blown away, but snow coveres them. I think Bane puts on a show of strength early on and then controls the city.
I think after Bane's initial take over (which cripples stocks, kills people in power, removes the wealthy and puts out a show of force at the stadium and in the streets, blows the bridges and stops the armed forces) he puts down a martial law of sorts and those trapped in the city essentially live under his rule. During this takeover, with the wealthy locked away in the pits, Bruce starts to rebuild himself as Batman after being beaten trying to stop Bane during that initial takeover. With Batman being revealed to Bane as being Bruce, Bane returns to the pit to taunt him about how he has brought Gotham to its knees ("Your punishment must be more severe) and he probably does a bit of murderalising of Bruce's friends which forces him to try to come back as Batman ("Im not afraid, Im angry!"). He escapes and comes back for some arse kicking...... cue big finale and the possibility of Bruce checking out and handing over. Again, I'm not convinced it will happen, but its a possibility given what weve seen.
How would Selina fit into all this? Well, it's clear that prior to Banes big takeover her and Bruce hit it off and meet, with her stealing from him (as the maid) and with him clearly sussing her out prior to the masked ball ("A brazen costume for a cat burglar"). I think that as Selina is clearly not affiliated with the wealthy of Gotham, I think Bane will recruit her to lure Batman to him ("Dont be shy" - I think she is saying this to Bats to lead him after her). Bane wont see Selina as a threat, but someone that will do what she has to to survive. Bane knows (somehow, possibly via Miranda?) that Wayne is Bats, uses Selina to bring Batman to him, Bane beats the shit outta him and as he is unmasked she finds out it's Bruce. Which is the point I think her allegiance shifts. Bruce is carted off by Bane and he starts to take control, or rather, she knows he is, and so she tries to escape the city before it all goes down, but is arrested by Blake, banged up and probably is released by Bane with all other prisoners during his takeover. So in my mind we have;
Bane stealing the scientist (prologue)
Bruce with the cane pre Bane - Gotham is at peace
Selina works for Bruce
Selina steals from Bruce
Masked Ball - Bruce and Selina dance - she nicks the Lambo
Bruce and Miranda as an item
Bane sets up in the streets below Gotham
Bane starts his attack
Cops hurt - Gordon in hospital
Bruce comes back as Bats
Bane meets and blackmails Selina
Banes attack on the stocks/stadium/rallys the people of Gotham to rise/revolt - Bats gets involved - Batpod chase
Selina leads Batman to sewers
Bats beaten and revealed as Wayne
Wayne taken away to be locked up
Selina escaping but getting arrested
Bane taking out the bridges/using the doomsday device/taking control - Gotham/US Govt aware and trying to evacuate??
Bruce retrains/Bane is in control - possibly years??
Bruce escapes
Bruce returns as Batman with the help of Fox
Batman Returns - night scenes with The Bat
Bane releases prisoners/Selina
Selina joins Batman
Batman rallies Gotham and the police
Big finale - Daytime riots/chase/Doomsday Device with The Bat
Now, that is all speculation based off what weve seen and heard. The only thing I cant see where it fits is the two uses of The Bat in day and night time, with Selina involved. Or anything to do with Miranda or Gordon! Or where the time for Blake and Bruce to strike up friendship? Hell, Ive no idea, this could all be bollocks!
Love that we still have no clue!
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