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RE: Tintin - 21/5/2008 2:16:36 PM   
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I'm not sure about any need to clean up Haddock's swearing - surely only those with the biggest chips on their shoulders would object to the bulk of his "Blistering barnacles!"-esque tirades? I'm sure someone out there finds it offensive to sealife, but I don't think political correctness has gone quite that mad yet.

Beyond the first few books, I don't recall a huge amount of politically-dodgy territory in Tintin. Nothing that would require any drastic changes to the universe anyway, particularly if the stories are set when they're intended rather than in the present day. I already mentioned this, but the gender issue is the only thing that leaps out at me - female characters are thin on the ground in the books.

I agree with what you've said anyway Timon. I think the new Indy film will be fairly well-timed for Tintin, in that it'll demonstrate that audiences are still interested in classic globe-trotting idol/treasure-hunting adventure yarn. I don't really see how they can go wrong to be honest. Kids will love the adventures, while I trust Spielberg and Jackson to respect the older fanbase.

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RE: Tintin - 21/5/2008 2:34:09 PM   
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It'll be interesting to see how much they'll clean up ol' Haddock's cursing huh? It's a big part of the character, well at least it used to be before everything had to be politically correct. Don't get me wrong, a considerable amount of the viewpoints and the general outlook of the Tintin films will have to be updated somewhat, the racist elements have to cut out etc. But goddamnit, Haddock has to swear like the sailor he is.
Anyway, as I mentioned earlier in this thread I'm looking very much forward to these films as a long time fan of the comics and the considerable talent behind the adaptation doesn't hurt.



The whole 'racist' thing annoys me (and this isn't directed at you), sure Tintin in the Congo is racist, hell its even got Tintin skinning a monkey and wearing it but ultimately its shit. However, the other books aren't, I'm pretty sure Herge made a conscientious decision to make sure he researched the different cultures, and places he wrote about. Okay, the depiction of the Japanese in The Blue Lotus was somewhat stereotypical. It just annoys me when people go Tintin is a racist, or weirdly, he's a Nazi. Eh?

Anyway, Tintin is great and much better than Asterix.

I'll love to see The Seven Crystal Balls and Prisoners of the Sun on the big screen. They could do The Blue Lotus with Tintin in Tibet, although they would have to change The Blue Lotus a little bit. The Black Island is a good one, also The Secret of the Unicorn and Red Rackham's Treasure. Hopefully, they won't do Flight 714 which was a bit too ridiculous and The Castafiore Emerald which is a snooze fest.


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RE: Tintin - 21/5/2008 2:52:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kazuya

It'll be interesting to see how much they'll clean up ol' Haddock's cursing huh? It's a big part of the character, well at least it used to be before everything had to be politically correct. Don't get me wrong, a considerable amount of the viewpoints and the general outlook of the Tintin films will have to be updated somewhat, the racist elements have to cut out etc. But goddamnit, Haddock has to swear like the sailor he is.
Anyway, as I mentioned earlier in this thread I'm looking very much forward to these films as a long time fan of the comics and the considerable talent behind the adaptation doesn't hurt.



The whole 'racist' thing annoys me (and this isn't directed at you), sure Tintin in the Congo is racist, hell its even got Tintin skinning a monkey and wearing it but ultimately its shit. However, the other books aren't, I'm pretty sure Herge made a conscientious decision to make sure he researched the different cultures, and places he wrote about. Okay, the depiction of the Japanese in The Blue Lotus was somewhat stereotypical. It just annoys me when people go Tintin is a racist, or weirdly, he's a Nazi. Eh?

Anyway, Tintin is great and much better than Asterix.

I'll love to see The Seven Crystal Balls and Prisoners of the Sun on the big screen. They could do The Blue Lotus with Tintin in Tibet, although they would have to change The Blue Lotus a little bit. The Black Island is a good one, also The Secret of the Unicorn and Red Rackham's Treasure. Hopefully, they won't do Flight 714 which was a bit too ridiculous and The Castafiore Emerald which is a snooze fest.



Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't consider the Tintin character racist per se, Tintin the Congo is definitely the worst, but it's more to do with the dated, somewhat imperialistic viewpoints of the author, at least in my opinion. And you're right, Herge did make an effort to research the material for his following albums more.



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RE: Tintin - 21/5/2008 3:44:33 PM   
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The idea of tintin didnt really excite me, but the fact that it is Spielberg and Jackson mean it could be great.

I'm not at all familiar with the stories, only that he has a big quiff and a white dog called snowy. If the stories are good and with Spielberg and Jackson doing it, it could be hugely entertaining.


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RE: Tintin - 21/5/2008 3:47:15 PM   
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I haven't taken the time to clarify this, but if I recall correctly Tintin in the Congo initially earned the scorn of many not because it was deemed to be racist, but because he blows up a rhino in it.

I agree it should be left alone because it's not very good. I'd lump Cigars of the Pharoah and Tintin in America in that assessment too. They're just too silly and cartoonish (yes, I appreciate the irony). Herge takes his time to establish a semi-realistic and consistent tone.

The Secret of the Unicorn and Red Rackham's Treasure are surely the prime candidates for an adaptation? They have it all - the popular trio of Tintin, Haddock and Calculus, a range of locales, with a varied yet classic treasure-hunting story. Plus they introduce Marlinspike and Calculus (should Spielberg and Jackson decide to explain how such an eclectic set of characters came together and how a foul-mouthed drunkard sea captain lives in a country estate).

I'm not sure how well the Seven Crystal Balls/Prisoners of the Sun pair would lend themselves to the big screen ultimately. Admittedly it's ages since I've read them but I remember them as quite slow-burners, with a lot of mystery. They just don't strike me as having as broad appeal as other stories.

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RE: Tintin - 27/1/2009 9:13:00 AM   
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Jamie Bell's Tintin! Awesome. Also, had no idea Edgar Wright had been helping with the script.

Paramount Pictures and Sony Pictures Entertainment have announced the start of principal production in Los Angeles on the 3D Motion Capture Film "The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn," directed by Steven Spielberg and starring Jamie Bell ("Billy Elliot," "Defiance") as Tintin, the intrepid young reporter whose relentless pursuit of a good story thrusts him into a world of high adventure, and Daniel Craig ("Quantum of Solace," "Defiance") as the nefarious Red Rackham.Bell and Craig are joined by an international cast that includes Andy Serkis, Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, Gad Elmaleh, Toby Jones and Mackenzie Crook."The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn," from a screenplay by Steven Moffat, Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish, is produced by Spielberg, Peter Jackson and Kathleen Kennedy, is the first in the series of 3D motion capture films based on the iconic character created by Georges Remi, better known to the world by his pen name "Herge" and is due for release in 2011. Executive producers are Nick Rodwell, Stephane Sperry and Ken Kamins. Paramount Pictures will release domestically and in all English speaking territories and Asia, excluding India. Sony Pictures Releasing International will distribute the film in Continental Europe, Eastern Europe, Latin America, India and the remainder of the world.The second feature in the series is scheduled to be directed by Jackson, with a potential for a third film as well.Eighty years ago, Herge introduced the world to a unique cast of characters who have been embraced by readers of all ages. The Adventures of Tintin - a series of 24 books, the final unfinished adventure was published after Herge's - death became Herge's life's work. The first adventure was published in 1929. Over 200 million copies have been sold worldwide. The popular series has been translated into 70 languages and still attracts thousands of new fans each year.Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson will bring Herge's stories to life employing state-of-the-art performance capture technology developed by Jackson's Weta Digital.

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RE: Tintin - 27/1/2009 1:05:15 PM   
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So, two of the best directors in the business, a great cast list, intriguing scriptwriting team, an awesome effects house and a series of world famous adventures to be based on, yet I cannot for the life of me find any enthusiasm for these films.  What the hell is up with that?!  Is this going to be Bob Zemekis/Beowulf style mo-cap?  I really don't know how this will go down.  Could it be a future Speed Racer style bomb?  Are people really interested in a Tintin film? 

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RE: Tintin - 27/1/2009 1:12:29 PM   
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i am really looking forward to this
i love tintin, the mo-cap/3D should be interesting at the very least

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RE: Tintin - 27/1/2009 9:05:51 PM   
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Have always been an asterix man myself.
But still waiting for anything remotely like a decent film made of that!

Haddock rocks though.

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RE: Tintin - 27/1/2009 9:10:16 PM   
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So, two of the best directors in the business, a great cast list, intriguing scriptwriting team, an awesome effects house and a series of world famous adventures to be based on, yet I cannot for the life of me find any enthusiasm for these films.  What the hell is up with that?!  Is this going to be Bob Zemekis/Beowulf style mo-cap?  I really don't know how this will go down.  Could it be a future Speed Racer style bomb?  Are people really interested in a Tintin film? 


Yes.

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RE: Tintin - 3/2/2009 3:40:25 PM   
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I absolutley loved Tintin as a kid and based on some of the movies they've made from cartoons over the recent years, I'm quite apprehensive about this one, although I am slightly comforted that Speilberg is involved. Personally, I don't think they should use any well known actors in this one as i think it'll ruin it and ruin people's memories of the classic. Plus no crappy CGI, please!!!

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RE: Tintin - 3/2/2009 3:59:14 PM   
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Plus no crappy CGI, please!!!


Its all CGI as it is being done via motion capture like Beowulf and polar express I believe.


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RE: Tintin - 17/3/2009 3:53:41 PM   
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Spielberg and Jackson discuss Tintin

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RE: The Adventures Of Tintin: The Secret Of The Unicorn - 23/4/2009 2:37:14 PM   
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Having read the article in the new Empire, I'm fascinated by this project now especially how Spielberg and Jackson's method is 'apparantly' wildly different from Zemeckis and Cameron's.

Plus I love the idea of the four of them, on set, bickering about motion capture techniques whilst Guillemo Del Toro is in the background, via webcam, making stupid faces.

Oh, to live in that world.

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RE: The Adventures Of Tintin: The Secret Of The Unicorn - 26/4/2009 8:26:47 AM   
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Having read the article in the new Empire, I'm fascinated by this project now especially how Spielberg and Jackson's method is 'apparantly' wildly different from Zemeckis and Cameron's.

Plus I love the idea of the four of them, on set, bickering about motion capture techniques whilst Guillemo Del Toro is in the background, via webcam, making stupid faces.

Oh, to live in that world.


Can you imagine? being in the same room as these Masters? I am lucky - I've met Peter Jackson (in 2002) and Guillermo Del Toro (last year) and they were both very cool guys.

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RE: The Adventures Of Tintin: The Secret Of The Unicorn - 26/4/2009 10:11:51 AM   
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Having read the article in the new Empire, I'm fascinated by this project now especially how Spielberg and Jackson's method is 'apparantly' wildly different from Zemeckis and Cameron's.

Plus I love the idea of the four of them, on set, bickering about motion capture techniques whilst Guillemo Del Toro is in the background, via webcam, making stupid faces.

Oh, to live in that world.


Me too, really excited about this. Jackson has kind of gone off the radar for me but after reading the article and then the Hobbit one it made me realise how much I love the guy. Can't wait for either film.


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RE: Tintin - 24/11/2009 11:05:47 AM   
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Tintin's finished.

Now the effects work, another two years - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8375280.stm


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RE: Tintin - 24/11/2009 3:46:47 PM   
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Tintin's finished.

Now the effects work, another two years - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8375280.stm



Given the links between the two I wonder if there may be a brief teaser attached to Avatar in 3D! Probably a bit early and they might not have a fully rendered shot yet but you never know.

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RE: Tintin - 24/11/2009 10:23:14 PM   
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As an old fan of Tintin books (being French I was raised with them firmly implanted in my DNA) I am very excited about that film and I think that keeping the film animated and not have Shia Labeouf be turned into Tintin is a good start. I would have of course wanted the French or Belgians to do it but...I'm not quite sure what they were waiting for. Spielberg bought the rights ages ago anyway, that sneaky bastard lol

Which brings me to my next point. I'm no conspiracy theorist but since The Berg has the rights to Tintin, isn't it a bit coincidental that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is essentially a complete RIPOFF from the Tintin book Flight 714 for Sydney??? Has anyone else noticed that? Let's see if this sounds familiar:

An adventurer goes to a pacific island to uncover a secret, there he is kidnapped by baddies, breaks free, finds strange ancient tombs, solves the riddle and finds that aliens were behind it all from the start.

Now Im not saying that both stories overlap 100% but the core ideas are there and since Spielberg has the Tintin rights anyway, what's stopping him from just stealing Tintin stories? Nothing. Especially when you suffer from a serious lack of imagination like Lucas and he did when trying to figure out what the 4th Indy movie would be about. What's next? Indiana Jones and the Pharaoh's Cigars? Indiana Jones and The Blue Lotus?

As for the infamous Congo outing, I distinctly remember feeling very unsettled by it even as a kid. It was just bloody scary! The bit where the snake eats itself, the monkey skinning bit, the rhino...even without understanding the racism that book was messed up to me and left me with some pretty disturbing images in my mind. I read it years later as an adult and honestly I just couldn't finish it, it's just a shameful creation.

Spielberg should give the rights to that one back to Belgium, then they can make it.
If they did though, Luxembourg would probably just leave and go hang somewhere else, like when that snotty and gross kid sits next to you on the school bus as a kid and you pretend to go talk to someone else round the back but really you're changing seats altogether. A bit like that, but with countries.



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RE: Tintin - 13/8/2010 8:27:46 AM   
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Looking forward to this movie. Not necessarily interested in Tintin himself more at the prospect of what a Spielberg/Jackson collaboration. Surely a dream combination.

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TINTIN - 13/8/2010 9:47:17 AM   
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I just can't get jazzed about TINTIN. I was never a fan of the character and all this CG-3D-Motion-Capture-Digital-Tra-La-La is just boring me. Mr. Spielberg will always be my favourite director but this is down to past glories of JAWS, INDY, JURASSIC, PRIVATE RYAN and even MINORITY REPORT.

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RE: Tintin - 13/8/2010 9:42:31 PM   
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I'm interested to see how it will turn out, but doubt it will be as good as the source material. Must read the books again soon.

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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 11:14:49 AM   
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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 12:00:48 PM   
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I think the pics look good, though I was expecting the 'next generation' of mo-cap performances. Currently this looks en par with Zemeckis' Christmas Carol and Beowulf films, which isn't bad.

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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 12:07:33 PM   
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The pics look great - looking forward to this film.

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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 3:35:40 PM   
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Ah, so this is where the people who actually like the pictures are!
 
Theyíre getting torn apart on the news thread! I think itís just far too early to tell, let alone brand the project a failure.  They have almost a year of work left on this. So while Iím hardly blown away I think they look good. And who knows, when Weta are actually finished on the shots, they will in all likelihood probably look amazing in motion.
 
Iím still optimistic and quite exited for this.

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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 3:44:26 PM   
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Ah, so this is where the people who actually like the pictures are!

Theyíre getting torn apart on the news thread! I think itís just far too early to tell, let alone brand the project a failure. †They have almost a year of work left on this. So while Iím hardly blown away I think they look good. And who knows, when Weta are actually finished on the shots, they will in all likelihood probably look amazing in motion.

Iím still optimistic and quite exited for this.


I noticed they were torn to shreds on that thread so not even woth replying. A couple of shots isn't really enough to base an opinion of a movie on. WETA usually produce amazinfg work so I'm sure they'll pull it off for this movie.


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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 5:00:08 PM   
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The recreation of the iconic Tintin and Snowy shot looked a bit odd to my eyes, but like you guys say, it's still a year away, and with a demanding Spielberg chivvying Weta on much like Cameron did with Avatar, I expect it will look much better in motion.

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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 10:40:40 PM   
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I wonder if Tintin will have that dead eyes stare like all other motion capture characters?  Can't said I'm too excited about this film.

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RE: Tintin - 1/11/2010 11:12:56 PM   
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They solved the dead eye problem in Avatar, so it should be okay.

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