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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 23/3/2012 2:29:28 PM   
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I've seen Paul Cadden's work before and it really is something else! He and another guy who works in acrylic carry the flag for hyper-realism as there are a lot of arguments regarding its worth as an art form. Obviously, visually its essentially a photo as that is the aim, but that disregards the skill and time put into it. One of the things critics say is that it is essentially a copy, a beautifully rendered copy, but a copy nonetheless. The artist isn't pushing themselves to create or understand the what they are drawing, they just do. My work has been accused of this too (a lot of my stuff is copies from photos and life - not on Cadden's level though) and I have taken it to heart. When you draw from something in front of you, it's all to easy to just switch the brain off and mimic what you see. I found when I started drawing from imagination, things didn't look quite right (anatomy, perspective, physics etc) and it's because I hadn't put the time in to learn these things when I copied; I didn't try to work out why the light did what it did, why his arm did this, her eye did that, I just copied what I saw. Basically when you copy you don't need to think of these things and it can stunt your growth when you try new things. I would be interested to see Cadden's work from imagination and see how it matches up. What he does is stunning to me but I can understand those who think otherwise.



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Can people not just appreciate it for the technical ability though?



I think some people can, but there's a lot of snobbery in the art community (shocker) and things like this get frowned upon by a lot. To be perfectly honest I think it's jealousy. A lot of artists would kill for that kind of technical skill and instead make do with claiming their art has a 'soul' which 9 times out of 10 isn't really there.



I don't necessarily find his art uniquely beautiful or inspiring, but I think it is still stunning and impressive on a technical level. It astounds me that humans have the ability to produce an image of that photo real quality by hand. Isn't that what artists were striving to do for nearly all of history? So while I might not want one of his pieces up on my wall, I think there is real artistic value in what he does. With alot of modern art, I look at it and can only think the "artist" is 'aving a laugh at my expense. I think that there is indeed perhaps jealousy in the art world involved with those who would slag off the hyperrealist movement, as surely a hyper real pencil drawing is in it's way a statement on art in the post photographic age.

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KoK - Sorry 'bout that! Never noticed it myself (I'm off to confirm it now though....).


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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 23/3/2012 2:33:26 PM   
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I'd rather look at a load of Paul Cadden's work than a pile of bricks in the middle of an art gallery floor.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 23/3/2012 4:42:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Quint

I've seen Paul Cadden's work before and it really is something else! He and another guy who works in acrylic carry the flag for hyper-realism as there are a lot of arguments regarding its worth as an art form. Obviously, visually its essentially a photo as that is the aim, but that disregards the skill and time put into it. One of the things critics say is that it is essentially a copy, a beautifully rendered copy, but a copy nonetheless. The artist isn't pushing themselves to create or understand the what they are drawing, they just do. My work has been accused of this too (a lot of my stuff is copies from photos and life - not on Cadden's level though) and I have taken it to heart. When you draw from something in front of you, it's all to easy to just switch the brain off and mimic what you see. I found when I started drawing from imagination, things didn't look quite right (anatomy, perspective, physics etc) and it's because I hadn't put the time in to learn these things when I copied; I didn't try to work out why the light did what it did, why his arm did this, her eye did that, I just copied what I saw. Basically when you copy you don't need to think of these things and it can stunt your growth when you try new things. I would be interested to see Cadden's work from imagination and see how it matches up. What he does is stunning to me but I can understand those who think otherwise.



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Can people not just appreciate it for the technical ability though?



I think some people can, but there's a lot of snobbery in the art community (shocker) and things like this get frowned upon by a lot. To be perfectly honest I think it's jealousy. A lot of artists would kill for that kind of technical skill and instead make do with claiming their art has a 'soul' which 9 times out of 10 isn't really there.



I don't necessarily find his art uniquely beautiful or inspiring, but I think it is still stunning and impressive on a technical level. It astounds me that humans have the ability to produce an image of that photo real quality by hand. Isn't that what artists were striving to do for nearly all of history? So while I might not want one of his pieces up on my wall, I think there is real artistic value in what he does. With alot of modern art, I look at it and can only think the "artist" is 'aving a laugh at my expense. I think that there is indeed perhaps jealousy in the art world involved with those who would slag off the hyperrealist movement, as surely a hyper real pencil drawing is in it's way a statement on art in the post photographic age.

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I agree with that. I think it's far more impressive than an unmade bed or as Chief said, a pile of bricks and the technical skill and eye for detail is outstanding. I strove to get to that level of ability for a long time but have gone off in other avenues now as it demands patience and skill I just don't have! To me modern art is a joke and the definition of art has been stretched to ridiculous extents to the point where the recent public masturbation cases could be deemed an artistic statement of some sort. I remember my uni degree show and some of the work put up was pretty out there, so much so that my dad and I stood in front of a paint spattered sink that we all used to clean brushes etc., and other people gathered around us and made comments at the 'piece's' worth - it was a gallery sink...

I appreciate your point about the drawing being a statement on art in the post photographic age, but to me thats exactly what's wrong with art these days; everything has to have a meaning, a reason for being. Surely art is supposed to be beyond meaning and is there because the artist wanted it to exist. This meaning bollocks is why Emin is so lauded. Sorry KOK, I know you made that point as a poke at how other artist's would have deemed it, not how you necessarily thought, so excuse the rant. As it was, my original comments were more to do with what other artist's would say rather than my own beliefs. I guess I was trying to play Devil's Advocate.


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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 24/3/2012 6:48:30 PM   
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Ah no worries, thanks for sharing your take on Cadden's work! I've got a friend who majored in ART HISTORY at the most prestigious liberal arts college in America, and while I could sometimes understand the attraction of some examples of modern art, my impression of the art world as a whole seems to be that it's eating it's own tail, and these "pieces" that are so often lauded only have meaning for those already immersed in the art-sphere. To your average human, it has no resonance, which I would think would be something art would strive to avoid.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 29/3/2012 6:04:13 PM   
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Agreed! Art hasn't just eaten its own tail, it's slipped it's head firmly up it's arse.

Any way, I've just finished a little concept piece for a horror film project and this is the creature's nest - took a fair amount of my inspiration from LOTR and in particular the dark towers.



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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 9/4/2012 4:07:52 AM   
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^ Again, excellent work Quint!

I decided to make a print of the commission piece I made for Spaldy's band. I got it mounted also and it's up on the gallery for sale now. I choose black, as I felt it adds to the drama of the piece...



"Begotten".

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 10/4/2012 6:00:22 PM   
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Cheers Ninj! The piece looks great with the black frame - it really helps suck the eye into the image.

Another one done. This one is pretty inspired by Game of Thrones (King's Landing I would say):



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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 22/4/2012 3:41:14 PM   
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Amazing Quint! Really great work.

Here's a quirky, little piece I did about a week or two ago, titled "My Button Dream";



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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 22/4/2012 3:58:05 PM   
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@Quint
OOH,cool.
Great work with the perspective.

@NinjaShortbread212
That will make a great poster.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 22/4/2012 4:08:47 PM   
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Amazing Quint! Really great work.

Here's a quirky, little piece I did about a week or two ago, titled "My Button Dream";




Awesome Ninj.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 22/4/2012 4:12:13 PM   
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Thanks guys, it was just a quick piece I wanted to "get out of my system", as I had itchy hands.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 22/4/2012 4:15:36 PM   
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^ Again, excellent work Quint!

I decided to make a print of the commission piece I made for Spaldy's band. I got it mounted also and it's up on the gallery for sale now. I choose black, as I felt it adds to the drama of the piece...



"Begotten".


Was just about to say 'that's cool, it reminds me of that creepy still from the film Begotten'. Then looked at the name and realised it actually is that creepy still from the film Begotten.
God, I'm slow when I'm hungover.


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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 22/4/2012 4:18:24 PM   
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Thank you! It was a commission made for Spaldy's band and my first ever commission/ working with charcoal also. I really liked using it as it's so different from painting - obv!

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 23/4/2012 11:14:24 AM   
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I feel quite untalented looking though this forum.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 23/4/2012 5:40:18 PM   
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Two oldies:
Spiderman (Frank Miller-esqe):
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/108/3/5/357363086ea37de54ee2ad07b2cc71fa.jpg

And a Mega Spider-thingy (digital art/photoshop):
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/o/2012/108/a/7/a7e4ae9982bfb98f330b6e9a6c8b0bc7.jpg

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Not about talent.Its about hard work,time,love and dedication/determination.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 24/4/2012 9:59:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

Two oldies:
Spiderman (Frank Miller-esqe):
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/108/3/5/357363086ea37de54ee2ad07b2cc71fa.jpg

And a Mega Spider-thingy (digital art/photoshop):
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/o/2012/108/a/7/a7e4ae9982bfb98f330b6e9a6c8b0bc7.jpg

@st3veebee
Not about talent.Its about hard work,time,love and dedication/determination.


Sod that then.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 24/4/2012 5:44:16 PM   
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Thanks everyone, sorry just saw the new replies. Awesome new piece Ninj, and OPEN YOUR EYES - That stuff is very cool, particularly loving your take on Spidey!

I have recently been doing some more 'designy' stuff for a client. The first is a sort of roscharch test style image of Cuba Gooding from Gladiator up against Clubber Lang from Rocky 3.



This one is a flyer I designed for a client's book signing:



The last one is too large, so I am making it a link - it's the start of a book cover I am working on for a client.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c116/Quint_/MedallionFinal.jpg

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 24/4/2012 5:53:18 PM   
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Quint, if I ever write a book, you're doing the artwork. That is amazing!

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 24/4/2012 6:12:40 PM   
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Quint, if I ever write a book, you're doing the artwork. That is amazing!


Thanks doubtless! Let me know when the day comes, and I would be happy to!

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 25/4/2012 1:52:21 AM   
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Thanks Quint, LOVE your new work! Open Your Eyes - awesome stuff also and agree with Quint in that your Spiderman completely rocks.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 4/5/2012 11:44:59 PM   
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I promised I put my pieces up so I will
Two works done this week and another oldie

Wolverine:
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/125/a/b/ab2f06a4ae82711cd54ac461b42500a7.png

Cartoon-Batman:
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/125/0/4/044796b2d993eca09c4057bde5541785.png

Zombie-Hard-Luck (2010):
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/108/a/c/ac3b43dffe5d51b1fc9c526c136a81b6.jpg

Thanks Quint and Ninja for the kinds words.And Quint that book-cover is looking solid

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 1:21:20 AM   
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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 3:35:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

I promised I put my pieces up so I will
Two works done this week and another oldie

Wolverine:
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/125/a/b/ab2f06a4ae82711cd54ac461b42500a7.png

Cartoon-Batman:
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/125/0/4/044796b2d993eca09c4057bde5541785.png

Zombie-Hard-Luck (2010):
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/108/a/c/ac3b43dffe5d51b1fc9c526c136a81b6.jpg

Thanks Quint and Ninja for the kinds words.And Quint that book-cover is looking solid



You're so welcome and glad to catch a peek at your new material. Looks awesome, really dig that style.


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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 1:17:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

I promised I put my pieces up so I will
Two works done this week and another oldie

Wolverine:
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/125/a/b/ab2f06a4ae82711cd54ac461b42500a7.png

Cartoon-Batman:
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/125/0/4/044796b2d993eca09c4057bde5541785.png

Zombie-Hard-Luck (2010):
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/o/2012/108/a/c/ac3b43dffe5d51b1fc9c526c136a81b6.jpg

Thanks Quint and Ninja for the kinds words.And Quint that book-cover is looking solid



You're so welcome and glad to catch a peek at your new material. Looks awesome, really dig that style.



Thanks very much Ninja
Got any works in the process?

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 2:03:47 PM   
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No problem. I love seeing other artists' work. I've just completed (pretty much) a mini 3-piece, not too dissimilar to the last image I added here; "My Button Dream" and, although I'm running afew days behind with it, hopefully it'll be finished in full by Wed. I'll add a pic then.

Other than that, I have a big Hitchcock piece that I've been working on for awhile now and that also weighs a bloody ton! I have a former Empire user's film artwork to start to in June also. All in all, it's been a really good, busy year for work.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 2:57:30 PM   
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No problem. I love seeing other artists' work. I've just completed (pretty much) a mini 3-piece, not too dissimilar to the last image I added here; "My Button Dream" and, although I'm running afew days behind with it, hopefully it'll be finished in full by Wed. I'll add a pic then.

Other than that, I have a big Hitchcock piece that I've been working on for awhile now and that also weighs a bloody ton! I have a former Empire user's film artwork to start to in June also. All in all, it's been a really good, busy year for work.


Cool.
A big Hitchcock peice,sounds intriguing.
Cool,i'll keep my eyes-peeled out for these.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 3:00:43 PM   
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Thanks!

Going to get stuck into a bit of painting today methinks.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 3:06:52 PM   
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Thanks!

Going to get stuck into a bit of painting today methinks.


Nice.
I've got a few little character doodles I may do.
These are little children called The Devil's Little Helpers.All idea's at this moment in time though.

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 5/5/2012 5:57:01 PM   
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Looking forward to seeing the new pieces Ninj! EYES, you're welcome, as Ninj said its always cool seeing other peoples work and it's nice to see people not treating art like a competition which can happen too often sometimes.

Workwise, I have this book cover still to finish, a very unique family portrait on the go and then two projects I am in the final 2 for. One is another book cover and the other is really cool - illustrating a set of 'chose your own adventure' books - I was addicted to those books as a kid. I have to do a test piece for that so will post it here when it's done. Fingers crossed on that!

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RE: show your artisitic talent! - 6/5/2012 2:38:17 AM   
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Thanks Quint! Hopefully get the latest addition up soon.

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