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RE: We have a feeling Ringers across the globe will hav... - 22/11/2006 1:52:11 AM   
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- 22/11/2006 10:43:04 AM   
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RE: - 22/11/2006 5:14:28 PM   
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The situation is that Jackson thinks he is owed more from merchandising/ computer games etc. while New Line do not. Jackson has said that he is willing for someone completely independant to review the case and he will fully accept the judgement whether he wins or loses. It seems to me you can't say fairer than that

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 22/11/2006 5:51:00 PM   
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Surely the likes of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm would only return if Peter Jackson returned also? Methinks New Line may have shot themselves in the foot over this one. Didn't they make enough cash from the films?!


If I were them, I'd return...

I'm sure somebody else could direct the Hobbit pretty well...however, I'd feel an awful lot more comfortable if it was still in PJ's hands. I trust him to do a pretty decent adaption...

I'd be a lot more concerned if the overall design of the film changed i.e. locations like Rivendell being different. I don't know quite who has the rights to all of that, but you can't improve on perfection and it'd be disturbing to see them changed.

All in all, I think it's a bad move...but I'm not ruling out it could be good.

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 22/11/2006 6:06:32 PM   
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All in all, I think it's a bad move...but I'm not ruling out it could be good.


Yeah we have no way of knowing whether further films will be be worse without Jackson but there is one thing set in stone - that Jackson made Middle Earth work in a way few could have imagined in terms of commercial and critical success.

The chances of Jackson failing to make The Hobbit and any prequel a success surely have to be much slimmer than handing the project to someone without a similar level of experience creating these worlds.

Plus I'd be genuinely suprised if anyone actually turned out a part in any future movie because Jackson wasn't involved - after all they are going to be expensive blockbusters whoever is at the helm

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 2:00:32 AM   
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Well McKellen;s come forth on his opinion.

It seems Jackson has emailed him directly regarding it.  And no doubt, he would have contacted Serkis as well.  Here it is:

http://www.mckellen.com/epost/lotr/061122.htm

Just gotta wait on Serkis now.  It's all building in Jackson's favour just now.

Tho there is an unconfirmed rumour that Sam Rami has been offered the job, Id ake that with a large pinch of salt tho.



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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 2:38:14 AM   
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Surely the likes of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm would only return if Peter Jackson returned also? Methinks New Line may have shot themselves in the foot over this one. Didn't they make enough cash from the films?!

As much as it pains me to say this I dont think Ian Holm will be returning. I know he would love to from interviews he has done but even if this does see the light of day production wont really start till 2008. Ian will be almost 77 then and in recent months....even the last year I have seen his condition decline. Physically it willl be a lot for him to take on and make up wise it would be hours a day. Ian I know would give everything he could to the role but given he pulled out of the POPE tv film (john voight took his place) because of health(although it wasnt offically annoucned) Im not sure Ian will be ready for the role. As....probably the only die hard ian holm fan out there,lol, It pains me to say I cant see him returning. Although PLEASE prove me wrong ian.


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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 9:12:04 AM   
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dont know if that has been posted but on news.bbc.co.uk they reported that MGM have siad "the matter is far from over"....ohhhhh

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 9:22:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aldaboss

quote:

Surely the likes of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm would only return if Peter Jackson returned also? Methinks New Line may have shot themselves in the foot over this one. Didn't they make enough cash from the films?!

As much as it pains me to say this I dont think Ian Holm will be returning. I know he would love to from interviews he has done but even if this does see the light of day production wont really start till 2008. Ian will be almost 77 then and in recent months....even the last year I have seen his condition decline. Physically it willl be a lot for him to take on and make up wise it would be hours a day. Ian I know would give everything he could to the role but given he pulled out of the POPE tv film (john voight took his place) because of health(although it wasnt offically annoucned) Im not sure Ian will be ready for the role. As....probably the only die hard ian holm fan out there,lol, It pains me to say I cant see him returning. Although PLEASE prove me wrong ian.


This is what bothered me even when The Hobbit was just a rumour at the time.
I was thinking logistically that it would be a nightmare getting Ian Holm on board
because of his age and the make-up situation.( They had to tape Ian's face back
to make him look younger in the prolouge of TFOTR).
So unless Ian Holm's becomes a digital character() I can't see how this film will be able to keep up with the LOTR trilogy in terms of continuity, would it be worth
making?

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 12:55:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kennedy

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldaboss

quote:

Surely the likes of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm would only return if Peter Jackson returned also? Methinks New Line may have shot themselves in the foot over this one. Didn't they make enough cash from the films?!

As much as it pains me to say this I dont think Ian Holm will be returning. I know he would love to from interviews he has done but even if this does see the light of day production wont really start till 2008. Ian will be almost 77 then and in recent months....even the last year I have seen his condition decline. Physically it willl be a lot for him to take on and make up wise it would be hours a day. Ian I know would give everything he could to the role but given he pulled out of the POPE tv film (john voight took his place) because of health(although it wasnt offically annoucned) Im not sure Ian will be ready for the role. As....probably the only die hard ian holm fan out there,lol, It pains me to say I cant see him returning. Although PLEASE prove me wrong ian.


This is what bothered me even when The Hobbit was just a rumour at the time.
I was thinking logistically that it would be a nightmare getting Ian Holm on board
because of his age and the make-up situation.( They had to tape Ian's face back
to make him look younger in the prolouge of TFOTR).
So unless Ian Holm's becomes a digital character() I can't see how this film will be able to keep up with the LOTR trilogy in terms of continuity, would it be worth
making?


I don't think it would be too much of a stretch if they got another actor for the part - it's not as if Holm played a major role in the LOTR films anyway. I think Serkis would be much more important to get on board

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 1:49:57 PM   
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Surely if anyone can be replaced then Andy Serkis can. All that's needed is someone who has the same build and can impersonate Andy's voice for the role of Gollum. If WETA Digital is taken on again ( it would be foolish not to) then I'm sure they would have work saved from the trilogy to work on for Gollum.(My knowledge in this field isn't great as you can probably tell)
My memory of The Hobbit is fuzzy but Gollum isn't a main character in the book, is he? ( The ring is an after thought of The Hobbit )
Where with Ian Holm, he made Bilbo Baggins, I would find it difficult to watch knowing that the person chosen (other than Ian ) was not in the trilogy. I'm a stickler for continuity.


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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 1:58:32 PM   
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Surely if anyone can be replaced then Andy Serkis can. All that's needed is someone who has the same build and can impersonate Andy's voice for the role of Gollum. If WETA Digital is taken on again ( it would be foolish not to) then I'm sure they would have work saved from the trilogy to work on for Gollum.(My knowledge in this field isn't great as you can probably tell)
My memory of The Hobbit is fuzzy but Gollum isn't a main character in the book, is he? ( The ring is an after thought of The Hobbit )
Where with Ian Holm, he made Bilbo Baggins, I would find it difficult to watch knowing that the person chosen (other than Ian ) was not in the trilogy. I'm a stickler for continuity.



I haven't read it to be honest - I also want continuity in films but sometimes you just have to replace people if they look a bit old. I think Serkis's vocal performance was brilliant in LOTR and I would miss that without a doubt

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 3:52:57 PM   
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It does seem to be a big mess at the moment and while the desire to make money (NewLine) is strong, I predict, without Galadriel's magic mirror, that this film will be a long time coming to our screens. By which point you should have all grown out of this puerile nonsense. PJ did a good job but come on, they weren't that great, ROTK in particular was a big long dissappointment and how did he follow that? The big long dissappointment that was Kong, again not that bad but just not great or even, very good. so whether he does get to direct ~The Hobbit or not, if the reigns are given to Raimi or someone else, it's not going to be the film of the century - have you all read the book(s)? LOTR is far superior and while an adage exists that the worse the book the better the movie, I suspect, again without Galadriels help, that this will be nothing more than another waste of 10 hours of your life (3 hours in the cinema, 3 on dvd, 4 on directors cut dvd). Go see Pan's Labyrinth if you want well crafted fantasy, but stop worrying about Jackson and the hobbit(s) because neither deserve such attention, they've had quite enough already, the travesty that was the academy awards where ROTK sweep the board so decisively has seen to that.

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 8:22:58 PM   
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It does seem to be a big mess at the moment and while the desire to make money (NewLine) is strong, I predict, without Galadriel's magic mirror, that this film will be a long time coming to our screens. By which point you should have all grown out of this puerile nonsense. PJ did a good job but come on, they weren't that great, ROTK in particular was a big long dissappointment and how did he follow that? The big long dissappointment that was Kong, again not that bad but just not great or even, very good. so whether he does get to direct ~The Hobbit or not, if the reigns are given to Raimi or someone else, it's not going to be the film of the century - have you all read the book(s)? LOTR is far superior and while an adage exists that the worse the book the better the movie, I suspect, again without Galadriels help, that this will be nothing more than another waste of 10 hours of your life (3 hours in the cinema, 3 on dvd, 4 on directors cut dvd). Go see Pan's Labyrinth if you want well crafted fantasy, but stop worrying about Jackson and the hobbit(s) because neither deserve such attention, they've had quite enough already, the travesty that was the academy awards where ROTK sweep the board so decisively has seen to that.


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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 9:01:30 PM   
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The big long dissappointment that was Kong, again not that bad but just not great or even, very good.



Or even mildly good. I was a big fan of the Rings trilogy and for the work Jackson put in and the end product of the three films, they maybe deserved some of their oscars imo he deserved his.
I would be a bit worried about the Hobbit bing made without Jackson, not because I think he is a great director as apart from the trilogy and Heavenly Creatures his output hasn't been that startling. It's just the fact that i honestly think he really wants to make the Hobbit and I dont think there's another director that would give as much to the film.
But I can't see it getting made without him anyway.

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 23/11/2006 11:20:01 PM   
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As I big Rings fan, and an admirer of PJ at that, this has got me fuming!! I signed the The Hobbit Film - The way is was meant to be or not at all petition, as should every right-thinking Rings/Jackson fan!        

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 24/11/2006 12:06:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kennedy

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ORIGINAL: aldaboss

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Surely the likes of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm would only return if Peter Jackson returned also? Methinks New Line may have shot themselves in the foot over this one. Didn't they make enough cash from the films?!

As much as it pains me to say this I dont think Ian Holm will be returning. I know he would love to from interviews he has done but even if this does see the light of day production wont really start till 2008. Ian will be almost 77 then and in recent months....even the last year I have seen his condition decline. Physically it willl be a lot for him to take on and make up wise it would be hours a day. Ian I know would give everything he could to the role but given he pulled out of the POPE tv film (john voight took his place) because of health(although it wasnt offically annoucned) Im not sure Ian will be ready for the role. As....probably the only die hard ian holm fan out there,lol, It pains me to say I cant see him returning. Although PLEASE prove me wrong ian.


This is what bothered me even when The Hobbit was just a rumour at the time.
I was thinking logistically that it would be a nightmare getting Ian Holm on board
because of his age and the make-up situation.( They had to tape Ian's face back
to make him look younger in the prolouge of TFOTR).
So unless Ian Holm's becomes a digital character() I can't see how this film will be able to keep up with the LOTR trilogy in terms of continuity, would it be worth
making?

That taping took hours and ian found it extremely uncomfortable. Plus how much of bilbo would we see in the prequal. Id love to see ian in the film but since playing bilbo he has had a lot of shit happen such as prostate cancer and general old age. Still fingers crossed.
Without Ian as Bilbo it will be a huge shame. As you said he really did make the character and his performence was outstanding. Ian understood the LOTR world too given he played Frodo in the radio adaption. But feck it...we will have no choice but to watch and see.



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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 24/11/2006 6:02:53 PM   
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Elijah Wood is also disappointed.

One thing that's not fine with him is news that a new "Hobbit" film might be made without "Lord of the Rings" director Peter Jackson.

"I haven't spoken to Peter," says Wood, who played head Hobbit Frodo in the acclaimed trilogy. "But I was very disappointed in the news. Peter Jackson is the man who worked over 10 years developing this world. Now, they might move forward on a new project with another director and it won't look or feel the same."

Especially since Wood wouldn't be involved either. He is, in fact, the keeper of "the ring" from Jackson's film trilogy.

"It's in a little pouch in a box tucked away. I don't display it," he says. "It's the ring. It's used to being undercover."

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 24/11/2006 8:51:17 PM   
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Who cares, at the end of the day if the moneymen don't want Peter Jackson, then so be it.

It will be interesting to see who turns down the roles offered, because you can bet there will be no saddness when the actors are receiving their multi-million pound cheques.

P.S  Don't worry Ring fans Mr Jackson will not doubt release a you can't bend it never been seen before filmed thro Golums arse version of the Trillogy. 

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 24/11/2006 8:52:27 PM   
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Peter Jackson Will Direct The Hobbit?
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Friday, 24 November 2006

In what has become a high stakes game of poker, it looks like New Line may lose it's upper hand. So what are the odds that Peter Jackson will get the chance "To Go There and Back Again?" Saul Zaentz owner of  Tolkien Enterprises has also now gone on record supporting Peter Jackson as the director of The Hobbit.

It what might be a twist of fate it is possible that New Line Cinema will lose all rights to The Hobbit by next year. Saul is confident that Peter will be returning to Middle Earth that in a recent interview he said that "It will definitely be shot by Peter Jackson. The question is only when. He wants to shoot another movie first. Next year the Hobbit-rights will fall back to my company. I suppose that Peter will wait because he knows that he will make the best deal with us. And he is fed up with the studios: to get his profit share on the rings trilogy he had to sue New Line. With us in contrast he knows that he will be paid fairly and artistically supported without reservation."

This latest "Hollywood Drama" just shows how nasty things could get in this industry. What really surprises me is that this studio would so blatantly try to screw Peter and Fran over. Don't they get it? Peter and gang have done more for New Line/Time Warner then any other filmmaker ever has. Time Warner has never had a movie franchise that has been loved by the world over and has made it so much money. I give New Line/Time Warner no more than a month before it comes back to Peter with a public apology and settlement involving his law suit. Wouldn't surprise me if some exec over at New Line loses him job over this. Stey tuned to the IESB for the news from Middle Earth

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=755&Itemid=99



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Re: Hobbit hiatus - 24/11/2006 10:22:07 PM   
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Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 25/11/2006 2:03:03 PM   
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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 25/11/2006 2:50:45 PM   
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Everyone sign the petition, if you want to see a decent book to film adaptation as opposed to another Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 25/11/2006 5:27:44 PM   
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BBC News: Mckellen 'sad' at Hobbit decision.

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 26/11/2006 11:59:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aldaboss

quote:

ORIGINAL: kennedy

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldaboss

quote:

Surely the likes of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm would only return if Peter Jackson returned also? Methinks New Line may have shot themselves in the foot over this one. Didn't they make enough cash from the films?!

As much as it pains me to say this I dont think Ian Holm will be returning. I know he would love to from interviews he has done but even if this does see the light of day production wont really start till 2008. Ian will be almost 77 then and in recent months....even the last year I have seen his condition decline. Physically it willl be a lot for him to take on and make up wise it would be hours a day. Ian I know would give everything he could to the role but given he pulled out of the POPE tv film (john voight took his place) because of health(although it wasnt offically annoucned) Im not sure Ian will be ready for the role. As....probably the only die hard ian holm fan out there,lol, It pains me to say I cant see him returning. Although PLEASE prove me wrong ian.


This is what bothered me even when The Hobbit was just a rumour at the time.
I was thinking logistically that it would be a nightmare getting Ian Holm on board
because of his age and the make-up situation.( They had to tape Ian's face back
to make him look younger in the prolouge of TFOTR).
So unless Ian Holm's becomes a digital character() I can't see how this film will be able to keep up with the LOTR trilogy in terms of continuity, would it be worth
making?

That taping took hours and ian found it extremely uncomfortable. Plus how much of bilbo would we see in the prequal. Id love to see ian in the film but since playing bilbo he has had a lot of shit happen such as prostate cancer and general old age. Still fingers crossed.
Without Ian as Bilbo it will be a huge shame. As you said he really did make the character and his performence was outstanding. Ian understood the LOTR world too given he played Frodo in the radio adaption. But feck it...we will have no choice but to watch and see.




You seen X-Men 3? The digital de-aging? Hey presto.


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- 26/11/2006 7:11:13 PM   
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I dont believe! How could they! It wouldn't be Middle-Earth without him! New Line you evil $%^&$*£@*&%$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .............well at least theres going to be a Hobbit film...........

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RE: - 26/11/2006 10:01:04 PM   
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Im gutted. Its not right!

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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 27/11/2006 2:46:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LongLiveTheKong

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldaboss

quote:

ORIGINAL: kennedy

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldaboss

quote:

Surely the likes of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Christopher Lee and possibly Ian Holm would only return if Peter Jackson returned also? Methinks New Line may have shot themselves in the foot over this one. Didn't they make enough cash from the films?!

As much as it pains me to say this I dont think Ian Holm will be returning. I know he would love to from interviews he has done but even if this does see the light of day production wont really start till 2008. Ian will be almost 77 then and in recent months....even the last year I have seen his condition decline. Physically it willl be a lot for him to take on and make up wise it would be hours a day. Ian I know would give everything he could to the role but given he pulled out of the POPE tv film (john voight took his place) because of health(although it wasnt offically annoucned) Im not sure Ian will be ready for the role. As....probably the only die hard ian holm fan out there,lol, It pains me to say I cant see him returning. Although PLEASE prove me wrong ian.


This is what bothered me even when The Hobbit was just a rumour at the time.
I was thinking logistically that it would be a nightmare getting Ian Holm on board
because of his age and the make-up situation.( They had to tape Ian's face back
to make him look younger in the prolouge of TFOTR).
So unless Ian Holm's becomes a digital character() I can't see how this film will be able to keep up with the LOTR trilogy in terms of continuity, would it be worth
making?

That taping took hours and ian found it extremely uncomfortable. Plus how much of bilbo would we see in the prequal. Id love to see ian in the film but since playing bilbo he has had a lot of shit happen such as prostate cancer and general old age. Still fingers crossed.
Without Ian as Bilbo it will be a huge shame. As you said he really did make the character and his performence was outstanding. Ian understood the LOTR world too given he played Frodo in the radio adaption. But feck it...we will have no choice but to watch and see.




You seen X-Men 3? The digital de-aging? Hey presto.


that covers make up.

Now the rest has to be delt with.


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RE: Jackson Loses The Hobbit - 30/11/2006 3:02:58 AM   
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MSN Movies- What 'The Hobbit' Is Going On Here?

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The Hobbit Film - The way it was meant to be or not at all.

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Jackson's Out?!?! - 3/12/2006 5:20:26 PM   
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What a bloody shame. He and his team would have done a magnificent job. No argument. We can just hope the new guy does the book proud (it's the first book I ever read!). Not sure about a second prequel though, what's that all about?! Sounds like a crappy cash in job. Almost glad PJ didn't involve himself in that one.

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