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ElephantBoy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (22/5/2014 8:05:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mister Coe

Another Way To Die is an odd one for me... really hated it on first listen, but it's grown on me a lot, I wouldn't put it in my top 5, but probably in my top 15...

Here it is, for EB...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM5UJvnbbuY

And, as I said before, here's the real low point IMO, Die Another Day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfvD_brrrTc




Another Way to Die was okay, but got a bit messy as it went along, and was too long for me.

Die Another Die on the other hand was total pants, and surely has to be the worse Bond theme ever, we agree on that one[:D]




aidricalchemy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (26/5/2014 4:52:53 PM)

I think Tomorrow Never Dies is the best film




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (28/5/2014 10:27:23 AM)

best bond screenwriter-richard maibaum.




rich -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (28/5/2014 6:13:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Coe

Another Way To Die is an odd one for me... really hated it on first listen, but it's grown on me a lot, I wouldn't put it in my top 5, but probably in my top 15...

Here it is, for EB...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM5UJvnbbuY

And, as I said before, here's the real low point IMO, Die Another Day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfvD_brrrTc




Another Way to Die was okay, but got a bit messy as it went along, and was too long for me.

Die Another Die on the other hand was total pants, and surely has to be the worse Bond theme ever, we agree on that one[:D]


The themes both fail because of the same problem - they didn't write them alongside the composer for the rest of the score. Pop star egos versus people that know what they are doing (David Arnold).




ElephantBoy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (28/5/2014 7:12:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rich


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Coe

Another Way To Die is an odd one for me... really hated it on first listen, but it's grown on me a lot, I wouldn't put it in my top 5, but probably in my top 15...

Here it is, for EB...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM5UJvnbbuY

And, as I said before, here's the real low point IMO, Die Another Day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfvD_brrrTc




Another Way to Die was okay, but got a bit messy as it went along, and was too long for me.

Die Another Die on the other hand was total pants, and surely has to be the worse Bond theme ever, we agree on that one[:D]


The themes both fail because of the same problem - they didn't write them alongside the composer for the rest of the score. Pop star egos versus people that know what they are doing (David Arnold).

Never thought of that, and you may have a point. In the Madonna case it might be than she was the right singer in the wrong decade. If she had done one in the 80's she would have been perfect. With the White/keys duet I just feel than trying to mess their two styles never really worked, and so you ended up with an awkward hybrid.




Julian23 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (30/5/2014 7:48:32 AM)

My favorite Bond film has to be 'The Spy Who Loved Me' (1977) followed closely by 'Goldfinger' (1964).
Somehow the older Bond films (like the ones mentioned above) had much more substance (my personal opinion) than the ones of today.
'The Spy Who Loved Me' was the tenth film in the James bond series, and the best by far screening Roger Moore as the fictional secret agent. The underwater scenes which were actually filmed on location at the Bahamas were a treat for the eyes, along with the massive sets which depicted the interior of a supertanker.
'Goldfinger' (the third film in the series) featured Sean Connery in the main role. The highlight of this movie was the action sequence in the end, where the airplane is out of control and our superhero rescues Galore, with them parachuting safely from the aircraft before it crashes into the ocean.. it was just wow!




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (1/6/2014 11:59:19 AM)

best bond director- martin campbell, terence young.




ElephantBoy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (1/6/2014 12:37:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: spark1

best bond director- martin campbell, terence young.

Young would be my pick. He was just right for the era he was directing in also, because he knew how to pace a thriller, and give something like Bond a little more depth.

Campbell did Goldeneye and Casino Royale right?

John Glen is an interesting case, he did direct some of the better Bond films IMO, but not seen as one of the better directors.




rich -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (1/6/2014 1:18:17 PM)

I think we talked about this before but the directors chosen rarely leave their personal stamp on the movies they did, particularly the older ones that came back more than once. John Glen for example did a few but what makes them stand out as his besides the weird obsession with small animals jumping out unexpectedly..? The writers and the second unit generally bring the series the parts people remember, and the producers always had more say in the direction things went in terms of style or tone.




Bloke from Oz -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (1/6/2014 1:20:53 PM)

Some of you may like to register with these guys (Absolutely James Bond):

www.ajb007.co.uk


They discuss all sorts of topics relating to Bond, and I think you'll find their conversations refreshing.

I'd say give it a whirl.




ElephantBoy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (3/6/2014 12:36:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bloke from Oz

Some of you may like to register with these guys (Absolutely James Bond):

www.ajb007.co.uk


They discuss all sorts of topics relating to Bond, and I think you'll find their conversations refreshing.

I'd say give it a whirl.


Might well do thanks.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (3/6/2014 12:11:14 PM)

my bad, forgot to mention peter hunt's work on OHMSS.

best bond composer- john barry, david Arnold.




Bloke from Oz -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (9/6/2014 3:34:46 PM)

[image]http://s25.postimg.org/7tuq2o7fz/Sean_Connery.jpg[/image]

Best. Introduction. Ever.




Craig32 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (21/8/2014 6:33:34 PM)

Best Bond movie is Casino Royale (2006) and the worst is Dr. No. Although, the two best things it are Sean Connery and Eunice "Sylvia Trench" Gayson.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (8/9/2014 10:47:11 AM)

sir rog and co at 'the reunion'-

http://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=11500&t=mi6&s=news




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (9/10/2014 12:51:47 PM)

'goldfinger', 'majesty's', 'spy/loved me'.




doncopey1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (21/10/2014 4:51:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Craig32

Best Bond movie is Casino Royale (2006) and the worst is Dr. No. Although, the two best things it are Sean Connery and Eunice "Sylvia Trench" Gayson.


Not in a million years. In fact it is one of the best, despite its low budget production values. Simplicity is key here.

The worst is Die Another Day, a travesty not only to the Bond franchise but film making in general. A CGI ejaculation gone wrong, zer0 substance and some of the worst casting in any Bond film. That is before you get to the script, horrific. I actually felt sorry for Brosnan some of the shit he had to contend with in his Bond years.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (26/10/2014 1:50:33 PM)

another nice whatculture piece on 007-

http://whatculture.com/film/15-terrible-mistakes-almost-ruined-james-bond-everyone.php


a writers strike hit making of LTK as well.




EvaDK -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (29/10/2014 9:22:49 PM)

My favorites:
From Russia With Love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
For Your Eyes Only
The Spy Who Loved Me
The Living Daylights
GoldenEye
Casino Royale
SkyFall


I agree that the worst is probably Die Another Day. Ludicrous plot (even for a Bond film) and the gadgets went way overboard.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is the oddball to me. The story is great, but I just think Lazenby was miscast in the role big time.




ElephantBoy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (30/10/2014 10:38:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EvaDK

My favorites:
From Russia With Love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
For Your Eyes Only
The Spy Who Loved Me
The Living Daylights
GoldenEye
Casino Royale
SkyFall


I agree that the worst is probably Die Another Day. Ludicrous plot (even for a Bond film) and the gadgets went way overboard.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is the oddball to me. .


That is the thing for me. Even if I could buy into the idea that it was a unique Bond because of the character suffering for the first time, and
whole thing at the end, the problem is that Lazelby is just so weak and unconvincing in the role than it prevents me from caring.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (20/12/2014 12:31:02 PM)

am reading 'catching bullets' at the moment and they make a good case for my least fave bonds-

LTK
MWTGG
MR
QoS


I must warn you-I'm roger moore!




ElephantBoy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (8/1/2015 12:24:29 AM)

Two Bond related things happened to me over the holidays. One I finally got my arse in gear and watched Skyfall[:o] And also I revisted OHMSS. Although I didn't see it all the way through, but cruically I did see the last 20 or 30 minutes. Based on that my opinion on the film has changed a little. Tracy makes for one of the stronger Bond Girls at least from that era. Shvalis makes for a good Villian, there are some decent stunts, and I will admit that the ending is actually moving. But on the other hand Lazerby is just bland beyond belief as Bond, the story for the most part is naff, the look of the film is awful (even considering the era), and the direction is rubbish about 90% of the time.

As for Skyfall, I go along with what most people have said. It is a fantastic celebration of a Bond film which gets just the right balance between delivering some classic Bond moments, and moving the series forward. I liked again how it was a more human Bond, and to have such a central role for M and to portray her and Bond's realtionship in such a way was really unique. Bardem will go down as a very modern and more feminine Villain, and his performance may have stole the film which is really saying something. Adele's theme tune was delightful too. I wouldn't put it up there with the best, but it was still strong and did remind me of that classic Bassy sound. The talk of this being the best Bond ever was a little over the top (besides it is hard to compare different kinds of Bond films from different eras), but it would now make my top five easily.

1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldfinger
3. The Living Daylights
4. Skyfall
5. Diamonds Are Forever




Craig32 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (8/1/2015 1:20:11 AM)

Casino Royale (2006). The worst is Dr No.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (9/1/2015 1:34:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy

Two Bond related things happened to me over the holidays. One I finally got my arse in gear and watched Skyfall[:o] And also I revisted OHMSS. Although I didn't see it all the way through, but cruically I did see the last 20 or 30 minutes. Based on that my opinion on the film has changed a little. Tracy makes for one of the stronger Bond Girls at least from that era. Shvalis makes for a good Villian, there are some decent stunts, and I will admit that the ending is actually moving. But on the other hand Lazerby is just bland beyond belief as Bond, the story for the most part is naff, the look of the film is awful (even considering the era), and the direction is rubbish about 90% of the time.

As for Skyfall, I go along with what most people have said. It is a fantastic celebration of a Bond film which gets just the right balance between delivering some classic Bond moments, and moving the series forward. I liked again how it was a more human Bond, and to have such a central role for M and to portray her and Bond's realtionship in such a way was really unique. Bardem will go down as a very modern and more feminine Villain, and his performance may have stole the film which is really saying something. Adele's theme tune was delightful too. I wouldn't put it up there with the best, but it was still strong and did remind me of that classic Bassy sound. The talk of this being the best Bond ever was a little over the top (besides it is hard to compare different kinds of Bond films from different eras), but it would now make my top five easily.

1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldfinger
3. The Living Daylights
4. Skyfall
5. Diamonds Are Forever



SF would have been perfect if silva had a secondary plot besides killing m as most bond villians do.

sanchez should have made good on using stingers on a US airline, introducing a 'ticking timebomb' element to that tanker chase.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (9/1/2015 6:01:45 PM)

am glad they cut LTK for the UK in the 80s.

saw the uncut version and the gory details of leiter and the shark had no place in a james bond film.




Senor Benedict -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (9/1/2015 8:51:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: spark1

am glad they cut LTK for the UK in the 80s.

saw the uncut version and the gory details of leiter and the shark had no place in a james bond film.


Personally, I'd say that the testicle torture of CR was less in the spirit of a Bond movie...




rich -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (10/1/2015 1:13:02 AM)

But it's probably in the spirit of the character's background on the page. Like the more brutal elements that used to be missing from Goldeneye and LTK, this kind of thing is just the current level of acceptable violence.




ElephantBoy -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (10/1/2015 2:02:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: spark1


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy

Two Bond related things happened to me over the holidays. One I finally got my arse in gear and watched Skyfall[:o] And also I revisted OHMSS. Although I didn't see it all the way through, but cruically I did see the last 20 or 30 minutes. Based on that my opinion on the film has changed a little. Tracy makes for one of the stronger Bond Girls at least from that era. Shvalis makes for a good Villian, there are some decent stunts, and I will admit that the ending is actually moving. But on the other hand Lazerby is just bland beyond belief as Bond, the story for the most part is naff, the look of the film is awful (even considering the era), and the direction is rubbish about 90% of the time.

As for Skyfall, I go along with what most people have said. It is a fantastic celebration of a Bond film which gets just the right balance between delivering some classic Bond moments, and moving the series forward. I liked again how it was a more human Bond, and to have such a central role for M and to portray her and Bond's realtionship in such a way was really unique. Bardem will go down as a very modern and more feminine Villain, and his performance may have stole the film which is really saying something. Adele's theme tune was delightful too. I wouldn't put it up there with the best, but it was still strong and did remind me of that classic Bassy sound. The talk of this being the best Bond ever was a little over the top (besides it is hard to compare different kinds of Bond films from different eras), but it would now make my top five easily.

1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldfinger
3. The Living Daylights
4. Skyfall
5. Diamonds Are Forever



SF would have been perfect if silva had a secondary plot besides killing m as most bond villians do.

sanchez should have made good on using stingers on a US airline, introducing a 'ticking timebomb' element to that tanker chase.

But, I think by going in that direction and having him obsesse over her, but also seeing that was the perfect way to hurt Bond made it much more interesting than if he was just another Bond Villain with a cunning plan to dystroy the world.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (10/1/2015 10:47:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: spark1


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy

Two Bond related things happened to me over the holidays. One I finally got my arse in gear and watched Skyfall[:o] And also I revisted OHMSS. Although I didn't see it all the way through, but cruically I did see the last 20 or 30 minutes. Based on that my opinion on the film has changed a little. Tracy makes for one of the stronger Bond Girls at least from that era. Shvalis makes for a good Villian, there are some decent stunts, and I will admit that the ending is actually moving. But on the other hand Lazerby is just bland beyond belief as Bond, the story for the most part is naff, the look of the film is awful (even considering the era), and the direction is rubbish about 90% of the time.

As for Skyfall, I go along with what most people have said. It is a fantastic celebration of a Bond film which gets just the right balance between delivering some classic Bond moments, and moving the series forward. I liked again how it was a more human Bond, and to have such a central role for M and to portray her and Bond's realtionship in such a way was really unique. Bardem will go down as a very modern and more feminine Villain, and his performance may have stole the film which is really saying something. Adele's theme tune was delightful too. I wouldn't put it up there with the best, but it was still strong and did remind me of that classic Bassy sound. The talk of this being the best Bond ever was a little over the top (besides it is hard to compare different kinds of Bond films from different eras), but it would now make my top five easily.

1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldfinger
3. The Living Daylights
4. Skyfall
5. Diamonds Are Forever



SF would have been perfect if silva had a secondary plot besides killing m as most bond villians do.

sanchez should have made good on using stingers on a US airline, introducing a 'ticking timebomb' element to that tanker chase.

But, I think by going in that direction and having him obsesse over her, but also seeing that was the perfect way to hurt Bond made it much more interesting than if he was just another Bond Villain with a cunning plan to dystroy the world.


006 wanted revenge on the UK but also uses the goldeneye to grab cash from the money markets.
something like that would have added weight to silva's schemes.




spark1 -> RE: The Best Bond Film? (10/1/2015 1:39:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rich

But it's probably in the spirit of the character's background on the page. Like the more brutal elements that used to be missing from Goldeneye and LTK, this kind of thing is just the current level of acceptable violence.


fleming kept the felix/shark off screen so to speak, making bond's discovery of his body all the more shocking.
it was just the detail of felix and his left leg bitten off that was unnecessary to that scene in LTK.




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