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elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (12/10/2012 5:30:30 PM)

I didn't see it but doesn't Beno mean that you could view a couple of the questions asked quite differently today - so he's asking did the producers know anything and were they hinting at anything? 




porntrooper -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (12/10/2012 6:04:30 PM)

'Nonce Tracksuit' and 'Unstoppable Super-Peado' both made me laugh more than I should admit.




horribleives -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (13/10/2012 1:35:18 PM)

Anyone ever read the Irvine Welsh novella Lorraine Goes To Livingston?




Beno -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (14/10/2012 3:39:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

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ORIGINAL: Beno

Im not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread already but why where alarm bells not ringing when that Louis Theroux documentary with Savile was aired in the year 2000. At the time i recall thinking Savile came across as a bit of a knob who had an over inflated opinion of himself who didnt seem to like women but know its like all the pieces of the jigsaw of that doc have fallen into place.
Savile came across as a controlling and intimidating figure with an extreme egotistical manner. A couple of times i recall Savile getting very annoyed with Theroux's line of questioning. I feel certain one of these questions hinted at things that are being revealed today. Just what did the makers of this documentary have in their research? Or was it based on rumour?




Because if "alarm bells rang" every time you thought someone was arrogant and hated women, unfortunatly you would spend quite alot of your time thinking people were peadophiles.



I was meaning to focus on the fact that the makers of this Doc. seemed to know 'something' rather than his ego.




horribleives -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/10/2012 6:36:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: horribleives

Anyone ever read the Irvine Welsh novella Lorraine Goes To Livingston?


No one? Well give it a read and tell me if Freddy Royle reminds you of anyone.




jonson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/10/2012 7:53:34 AM)

Rumours abound now that Jeremy Beadle might have had a small hand in it.




superdan -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/10/2012 8:59:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jonson

Rumours abound now that Jeremy Beadle might have had a small hand in it.


[:D]




great_badir -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/10/2012 1:28:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: superdan
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ORIGINAL: jonson

Rumours abound now that Jeremy Beadle might have had a small hand in it.


[:D]



HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

(for the lawyers - jonson was joking - we are not suggest that Beadle-bum was a tier 2 unstoppable peado)

But, with regard to some people "knowing something" - I think Ian Hislop put it best in last week's HIGNFY, basically everyone knew the rumours, but they were just that. No on KNEW that it WAS going on, and otherwise most people just thought what a fairly not-too-nice person he was. But, as Rhub intimated on the previous page, that is no reason to suspect someone of being a nonce.




Shifty Bench -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/10/2012 6:58:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jonson

Rumours abound now that Jeremy Beadle might have had a small hand in it.



Oh, fuck......

I don't know who is worse, you for making that joke or me for laughing at it [sm=augen14.gif]




Woger -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 2:36:17 PM)

Bloody hell.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/10/11/i-ran-the-gauntlet-of-pedophiles-in-the-entertainment-industry-says-former-child-actor/




jon5000 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 4:28:13 PM)

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/everyone-creepy-in-the-80s-2012101645041?fb_action_ids=972458141792&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

[:D]




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 6:13:48 PM)

Clicky.
The police inquiry into Jimmy Savile becomes a criminal investigation with the number of possible victims now more than 200.[sm=huh.gif]




Ghidorah -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 7:08:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

Clicky.
The police inquiry into Jimmy Savile becomes a criminal investigation with the number of possible victims now more than 200.[sm=huh.gif]




I saw the ITV documentary and I thought this scandal was going to be huge. When the police spoke out about sixty victims, I thought the abuse scandal would be far greater than that.




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 7:24:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ghidorah


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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

Clicky.
The police inquiry into Jimmy Savile becomes a criminal investigation with the number of possible victims now more than 200.[sm=huh.gif]




I saw the ITV documentary and I thought this scandal was going to be huge. When the police spoke out about sixty victims, I thought the abuse scandal would be far greater than that.


Its unbelievable really.So many victims.




matty_b -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 7:29:12 PM)

But think how long he got away with it though. 40 years? More?

That number could easily double.




Super Hans -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 7:39:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Woger

Bloody hell.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/10/11/i-ran-the-gauntlet-of-pedophiles-in-the-entertainment-industry-says-former-child-actor/


Terrible stuff. Sadly not surprising though - not wanting to sound too silly and reactionary, there's been enough paedophiles and/or sexual predators revealed in recent years to indicate that being in showbiz/being famous offers a prime opportunity to abuse folk.




Woger -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 7:43:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: matty_b

But think how long he got away with it though. 40 years? More?

That number could easily double.


Not even the number of victims increasing but there most likely will be more abusers/people covering up etc




UTB -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 8:19:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: matty_b

But think how long he got away with it though. 40 years? More?

That number could easily double.



He would have had to have started at age 5 for that.



/coat




Shifty Bench -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (19/10/2012 11:50:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UTB


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ORIGINAL: matty_b

But think how long he got away with it though. 40 years? More?

That number could easily double.



He would have had to have started at age 5 for that.



/coat


I actually did think Matty meant his age could double at first so I really should get my coat [:D]




Qwerty Norris -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (20/10/2012 11:11:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jonson

Rumours abound now that Jeremy Beadle might have had a small hand in it.


[sm=happy07.gif]

Partly ashamed I chose that smiley in a thread about child abuse & Hitler partaking in charity fun runs, but that was a proper LOL.






adambatman82 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (20/10/2012 11:30:22 AM)

The new Tory whip was associated with Savile way back when, as part of a bike campaign. He's cleaned up his website since late last night, but not before screencapping!

[image]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8190/8104967461_3788bf3a33_z.jpg[/image]


http://www.sirgeorgeyoung.org.uk/pages/biog3.htm




Mister Coe -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (22/10/2012 1:28:06 AM)

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet... but a few months ago, a forty-something woman was desperate to prove that she was Jimmy Saville's daughter...

Do you reckon she's still keen to follow that up?




Shifty Bench -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (24/10/2012 11:41:19 PM)

I've been reading around the net (I am so bloody bored) that some people are so angry at the way the BBC have handled this they are cancelling their TV licence.

I don't pay the TV licence anyway (can't and don't watch live TV before anyone says anything) but even if I did, I very highly doubt I'd go this far.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (25/10/2012 12:01:59 AM)

Are they going to stop using the NHS too? [8|]

The Beeb's self-flagellation is making it worse for themselves and distracting from the bigger picture. 70s/80s workplace practices & sexual politics was not the Beeb's alone (and sadly weren't left in those decades). It's a completely separate discussion - the only thing relevant to this, I think, was did anyone then know, condone, take part in the abuse of children. If so, find them and deal with them.

A radio presenter abused on air? Completely different thing. Also terrible. But I think something is being lost here. And too much of it is talking about money and compensation and people heading to ambulance chasers and that all just seems a bit off.




Shifty Bench -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (25/10/2012 12:10:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: elab49

Are they going to stop using the NHS too? [8|]


Exactly, it is quite silly.




sharkboy -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (25/10/2012 9:42:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

I've been reading around the net (I am so bloody bored) that some people are so angry at the way the BBC have handled this they are cancelling their TV licence.

I don't pay the TV licence anyway (can't and don't watch live TV before anyone says anything) but even if I did, I very highly doubt I'd go this far.


Yeah, cause it's optional after all.  Unless they plan to get rid of the tele too?

It has surprised me how much the Beeb have embarked on a campaign of "mea culpa" since this came to a head, yet the other organisations have remained very quiet.  Considering how it is now being widely accepted that his hospital work and charity work were mainly to provide a conduit to his victims, you'd think that the NHS and charities would have been just as much in the limelight.  Gambaccini's remark on R5 a few days ago was interesting, saying that Savile favoured the "under-age subnormals" to use a very un-PC term.  When asked how it tied in with the charity work he said "when asked why he robbed banks, a bankrobber replied "Because that's where the money is" Why did Jimmy work with hospitals? because that's where the victims were." Oh well, I suppose it'll come out in the subsequent inquiry.

And now we've had reports in the Commons that Savile was part of a paedophile ring with links to the Thatcher government.  No other names have been mentioned yet, though apparently it is available on the net.  According to Nicky Campbell this morning, it's someone with links to Thatcher's early 80s cabinet who is now dead.  Might have to put the detective cap on later...

If there is something positive to be taken from this whole sordid affair, it is that the exposure that the story has got appears to have persuaded some silent victims of abuse that they may have a voice after all - reports of abuse are reported to have had a record increase since this story broke, with over 5000 people coming forward in the last month, almost double the average number.




Beno -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (25/10/2012 10:12:31 AM)

Some of the names of people that were either 'around' or 'witness to' or even 'involved' in relation to all this is maybe just as shocking as all the revelations about Savile himself. One name that is no surprise of course is Gary Glitter although others are.
Obviously im not going to print those names on here but all you have to do is have a bit of a dig around on the internet and they are not that hard to find.
Many of the rumours or stories regarding fellow perpetrators could quite easily be fiction - a couple are clearly conspiracy led - but it will be extremely interesting to see just who the Police interview or indeed charge eventually. After all i fear Saville cant have been alone in all of these evil acts. There could be many many arrests yet to come as Police have said that 'persons alive' are being investigated.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (25/10/2012 10:49:34 AM)

I assumed Watson was meaning someone in the Thatcher days. The description of the activity was obviously pre-internet and, even though it could have been from the 70s, the decision to raise at PMQs did suggest, to me, it was someone under Thatcher.




horribleives -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (25/10/2012 11:08:40 AM)

Haven't read anything about this latest Dowining Street devcelopment yet (and obviously I don't want to indulge in a crude tabloid guessing game) but there's been a rumour/urban myth about Savile, a well known '70s politician and various care homes knocking around for years.




great_badir -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (25/10/2012 12:48:06 PM)

Without having Googled anything (and without wanting to - I'm too scared of what my search history will look like), I have fairly big bets placed on one of two Tory cabinet members (from the early part of Thatcher's rule of terror), cos I always thought they were creepy.

One of them is still alive, though...




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