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SwozTheRevenge -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 1:08:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: donethinking


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ORIGINAL: donethinking


then there's the allegations of necrophilia, which, quite frankly seem more and more plausible.


Please tell me your joking.
[:'(]

Thats the reason he volunteered to work at a morgue....allegedly.


I too have read about this before.




steffols -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 1:20:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: donethinking


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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES


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ORIGINAL: donethinking


then there's the allegations of necrophilia, which, quite frankly seem more and more plausible.


Please tell me your joking.
[:'(]

Thats the reason he volunteered to work at a morgue....allegedly.


Unless there was eye witnesses, how is this being corroborated?




porntrooper -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 1:22:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: steffols


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ORIGINAL: donethinking


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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES


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ORIGINAL: donethinking


then there's the allegations of necrophilia, which, quite frankly seem more and more plausible.


Please tell me your joking.
[:'(]

Thats the reason he volunteered to work at a morgue....allegedly.


Unless there was eye witnesses, how is this being corroborated?


And where is it being reported? Cos I haven't heard of that at all.




steffols -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 1:32:56 PM)

The only thing I can find is one sentence on the digital spy forums and mentions of David Icke with these allegations. I call bullshit.




MonsterCat -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 1:44:40 PM)

Unless you have some hardcore evidence, like... oh, I don't know... EYE WITNESS TESTAMENTS, then I don't see how the necrophilia allegations could ever be considered "plausible".




Olaf -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 2:00:47 PM)


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The only thing I can find is one sentence on the digital spy forums and mentions of David Icke with these allegations. I call bullshit.


On the plus side, 'Jimmy Savile necrophilia' is in your search history now.




rawlinson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 2:14:21 PM)

[:D]

The necrophilia claims are nothing new, I first heard them years ago, so I don't think it's a case of fresh reports about them, more old rumours coming up again.




sharkboy -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 2:16:18 PM)

Yeah, me too.  The necrophilia allegations have been about for years now - the current focus is just highlighting them again.




superdan -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 2:22:11 PM)

They're probably just rumours that started up because he wheeled bodies into the morgue and kept a wardrobe of his dead mothers clothes that he dry-cleaned every year. This was of course after he spent a few days with her after she died and was laid out in the house, a period he described as the 'time of his life' [:-]




horribleives -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 2:22:54 PM)

I remember the nercophillia stuff from when I was at school - it was an urban myth up there with Marc Almond and the horse semen, Terry Wogan being in the IRA, and Cliff Richard literally not having a penis.
I frankly wouldn't be surprised if it was true though.




horribleives -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 2:25:45 PM)


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They're probably just rumours that started up because he wheeled bodies into the morgue and kept a wardrobe of his dead mothers clothes that he dry-cleaned every year. This was of course after he spent a few days with her after she died and was laid out in the house, a period he described as the 'time of his life' [:-]


Ah, The Duchess, I'd forgotten about her. Even without knowing (for definite) what we do now, that Louis Theroux documentary was one of the most amusingly creepy things I'd ever seen.




Bad Ash -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (8/10/2012 4:46:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: superdan

They're probably just rumours that started up because he wheeled bodies into the morgue and kept a wardrobe of his dead mothers clothes that he dry-cleaned every year. This was of course after he spent a few days with her after she died and was laid out in the house, a period he described as the 'time of his life' [:-]


Ah, The Duchess, I'd forgotten about her. Even without knowing (for definite) what we do now, that Louis Theroux documentary was one of the most amusingly creepy things I'd ever seen.


Yeah I remember that! It immediately made me think of Norman Bates when I saw it.

This is all really nasty and makes me think that all of the charity work and so called good deeds he did while he was alive were all done as nothing more than a means to an end - i.e covering up his true evil nature. He was hiding in plain sight, and it worked! It's like he was some sort of creature from Supernatural! It's only a shame that Sam and Dean didn't actually chop him up and send him to hell the evil bastard! Allegedly.......[8|]

And what?.....Terry Wogan's in the IRA????




Cruisecontroller -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (10/10/2012 5:02:57 PM)

It just gets worse and worse. He apparently abused patients at Stoke Mandeville and the nurses knew and they just told the patients when he was coming to fake tiredness!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-19900559






Super Hans -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (10/10/2012 7:18:03 PM)

Jesus... I know we still have to be careful and remember they're still 'just allegations' but it really is starting to look seriously, seriously bad. I know there have been cases over the years where allegations have been false (Matthew Kelly being a famous one) I'd be stunned if there could really be this much smoke without any fire.

You know it's getting bad when Saville's family - initially outraged that the dear old man should be accused of such things - have had his grandiose headstone removed, demolished and chucked in landfill!




JessFranco -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (10/10/2012 11:29:36 PM)

So, anyway...

I suspect this book may be out of print




Fluke Skywalker -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 12:22:19 PM)

It gets even worse - he molested a brain damaged patient. Such a shame this fucker is dead and not here to face justice

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-denied-child-abuse-2007-130300697.html




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 12:50:53 PM)

I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.
And what is sad is the fact without the ITV program these very allegations,right or wrong,would have stayed in the closet for here to eternity.




UTB -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 12:54:14 PM)


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I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.


How so?




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 1:02:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UTB


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I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.


How so?



Because you get the feeling that Jimmy Saville was acting these sick-twisted things 24 seven.
And 'if' he was what the f*ck were the police or investigators doing?,jack-sh*t by all accounts.
I would not put it past one or two of these stories being over-dramatized,mainly because I don't trust the Media.

And,rether you like it or not,every accused has the right to defend himself/herself,but J.S cant because he's dead.
But you can also look on the fact that these stories are coming out because he's dead because he cant defend himself,because if he did he possibly would have been let-off,dependent on the facts/evidence of these accusations.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 1:14:54 PM)

I think there's maybe two things there.

There does seem to be an avalanche of people coming forward but the number of investigations isn't the same as the number of people. And those experienced in this area - and Rantzen has gone into this in a TV interview - is that this is exactly what happens. A dam opens and people get to tell their story. You're also forgetting that some of these stories go back to the 50s - in context, this isn't a lot. It's just a media focus.

As for 'defend himself', fuck him. Did you read the link to his own book above? He used what he was doing to suppress everything. You had sites like Digitalspy shutting down forums and removing masses of threads any time Saville was even mentioned. He was at Chequers, he met people. He was, as far as he was concerned, above the law. And the right to investigate any crime and provide answers doesn't end if a suspect dies normally, why should this?

Victims have a right to a voice - that the perpetrator isn't around anymore is irrelevant. If someone has been hurt or abused they at least deserve that much.




great_badir -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 1:28:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

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ORIGINAL: UTB


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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.


How so?



Because you get the feeling that Jimmy Saville was acting these sick-twisted things 24 seven.
And 'if' he was what the f*ck were the police or investigators doing?,jack-sh*t by all accounts.
I would not put it past one or two of these stories being over-dramatized,mainly because I don't trust the Media.

And,rether you like it or not,every accused has the right to defend himself/herself,but J.S cant because he's dead.
But you can also look on the fact that these stories are coming out because he's dead because he cant defend himself,because if he did he possibly would have been let-off,dependent on the facts/evidence of these accusations.




I think the sheer number of people from all walks of life "coming out" makes it pretty much impossible for at least some of the claims not to be true, and we are now FAR beyond giving him the benefit of the doubt, especially as HIS family (as Super Hans commented above) have gone from outright horror and denial to an admirable decision in the circumstances.

Yeah, okay, you always get the odd prick who makes false claims for "a laugh", but there are simply too many unrelated claims in this case, especially when you consider the latest "evidence" from both patients and staff at Stoke Mandeville.

As for what the police were doing - as elab said, Savile probably felt he was above the law and may have even been considered as such during the peak of his career. He DID have friends in high places and most of these alleged abuses happened during a time when such things were not discussed as much and a lot less understood - both the public and the press were a lot less informed and the police were, probably, less well equipped to deal with it, and so most of his victims were probably too scared to come forward or (in some cases I'm sure) simply too young to understand what was happening to them.

For every abuse that does get reported, there are several that don't for years and some that will never get reported. When a high profile celeb like Savile who, yes, had done lots for charity and good causes and was basically THE face of "looking after the country's children" (no euphemistic innuendo intended) in the 70s and 80s, you can imagine and understand why so many victims kept quiet for so long.





elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 1:33:00 PM)

I feel very little sympathy on this - I've just seen an elderly women trying to describe something she saw in a hospital, her voice breaking with the memory. The whole thing is obscene. 




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 1:55:45 PM)

@Elab49
@Great_Badir

Well,you two told me[:D]





great_badir -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 2:02:30 PM)

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@Elab49
@Great_Badir

Well,you two told me[:D]


Heh.

Normally I would completely agree with you - someone mentioned Matthew Kelly earlier, whether you like him or not the poor guy suffered unnecessarily for a long time and it also looked like his career would not recover, even if he was completely innocent (also cf. Paul Reubens - wanking in a [adult] porn theatre aside, his child porn charges seemed to be provably unfounded and he was completely stitched up) - but there's just too much going on with Savile.




OPEN YOUR EYES -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 2:06:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: great_badir

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@Elab49
@Great_Badir

Well,you two told me[:D]


Heh.

Normally I would completely agree with you - someone mentioned Matthew Kelly earlier, whether you like him or not the poor guy suffered unnecessarily for a long time and it also looked like his career would not recover, even if he was completely innocent (also cf. Paul Reubens - wanking in a [adult] porn theatre aside, his child porn charges seemed to be provably unfounded and he was completely stitched up) - but there's just too much going on with Savile.


I also heard Freddie Star mentioned in these allegations,but thankfully he's denied them and he himself has previously said how he found J.Saville somewhat creepy/shady.

What would also play its part in my comments would be the fact I'm in a miserable mood today and somewhat cynical/skeptical.[:D]




DancingClown -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 2:22:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES


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ORIGINAL: great_badir

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ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES
@Elab49
@Great_Badir

Well,you two told me[:D]


Heh.

Normally I would completely agree with you - someone mentioned Matthew Kelly earlier, whether you like him or not the poor guy suffered unnecessarily for a long time and it also looked like his career would not recover, even if he was completely innocent (also cf. Paul Reubens - wanking in a [adult] porn theatre aside, his child porn charges seemed to be provably unfounded and he was completely stitched up) - but there's just too much going on with Savile.


I also heard Freddie Star mentioned in these allegations,but thankfully he's denied them and he himself has previously said how he found J.Saville somewhat creepy/shady.

What would also play its part in my comments would be the fact I'm in a miserable mood today and somewhat cynical/skeptical.[:D]


I do understand the incredulity, though, the notion that so much of this was apparently going on and people were so powerless to stop him, almost as if he was bloody royalty or something. It does bend the barrier of believability, but mainly due to frustration, the idea that he got away with it and was playing the country for fools, and went to his grave having been able to do whatever the fuck he seemingly wanted.




Cruisecontroller -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 4:47:52 PM)


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It gets even worse - he molested a brain damaged patient. Such a shame this fucker is dead and not here to face justice

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-denied-child-abuse-2007-130300697.html


Such a twisted man and to think he was supposed to make kids dreams come true on his show Jim I`ll Fix It but in real life turned their lives into nightmares. [:'(]




Fluke Skywalker -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 5:07:58 PM)

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-had-keys-broadmoor-113711849.html

Now they are saying he had keys to Broadmoor hospital and carried out his molestations in there as well. What the fuck is going on - it's like he was some kind of unstoppable super-paedo [:@]




Ghidorah -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 5:22:26 PM)

The ITV program did hint the abuse by Saville could be wide spread.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (11/10/2012 5:26:10 PM)

There seems to be a pattern of abusing those least likely to be believed.

He was part of some Tory commission into Broadmoor in the late 80s - I imagine he got very cosy with them then.




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