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Brundlesflies -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (9/11/2012 3:50:11 PM)

OK - just checked out the footage in question & I must admit, Cameron did handle himself pretty well given the circumstances (much as it pains me to say [:)])
Also further justifies my comments that Schofield was a twonk of the highest order

EDIT: Just realised this is being discussed on the British Politics thread already - oops!




Hobbitonlass -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 2:16:32 PM)

The Hairy Cornflake is the latest to have been arrested

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798




Sinatra -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 2:28:47 PM)

Who's next Noel Edmunds...? it beggars belief...




Cruisecontroller -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 2:36:52 PM)

There have been some unpleasent allegations about him recently which he denied like Freddie Starr so this doesn`t surprise me.




Professor Moriarty -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 2:40:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hobbitonlass

The Hairy Cornflake is the latest to have been arrested

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798


Is it wrong that the first thing that went through my head was "quack, quack, oooops"

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ORIGINAL: Sinatra

it buggars belief...




Shifty Bench -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 3:08:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Professor Moriarty


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ORIGINAL: Hobbitonlass

The Hairy Cornflake is the latest to have been arrested

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798


Is it wrong that the first thing that went through my head was "quack, quack, oooops"


What went through my head is- 'I thought he was dead' [&:]

Was surprised to see Jon Stewart tackle the Jimmy Savile/BBC story last night. Must have been a slow news day in America.....




steffols -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 3:56:25 PM)

This is getting horrendously out of hand.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9680645/Lord-McAlpine-threatens-to-sue-Speakers-wife-Sally-Bercow.html




jonson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:04:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: steffols

This is getting horrendously out of hand.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9680645/Lord-McAlpine-threatens-to-sue-Speakers-wife-Sally-Bercow.html


And so he should do as well. Sally Bercow is a silly cow, she should know better than to "tweet" rubbish like that.




steffols -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:09:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jonson


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ORIGINAL: steffols

This is getting horrendously out of hand.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9680645/Lord-McAlpine-threatens-to-sue-Speakers-wife-Sally-Bercow.html


And so he should do as well. Sally Bercow is a silly cow, she should know better than to "tweet" rubbish like that.


She knew fine well what she was doing I have no doubt. The *innocent face* is pretty much an admission as to she knew exactly why he was trending. Its baffling thats shes allowed such free reign like she has. I can't see the tories being quite so understanding if Samantha Cameron was to come away with half the crap Sally Bercow gets away with.

What I'm concerned about is the report seems to suggest that he's going to sue the arse off anyone who even uttered his name during the furore last week including people who have previously deleted tweets.




Rhubarb -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:14:12 PM)

Whether she knew what she was doing or not (obviously she did), she didn't say "Lord McAlpine is a peado" (neither am I saying that in case he's reading) so I can't see how that's libel really.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:17:17 PM)

So he's suing Twitter for saying his name, the BBC for not saying his name and ITV for possibly writing his name?

What's he going to be doing about the issue with the police and Parliament?






matty_b -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:19:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

Whether she knew what she was doing or not (obviously she did), she didn't say "Lord McAlpine is a peado" (neither am I saying that in case he's reading) so I can't see how that's libel really.


I think we all know whose informed and qualified opinion we need on this.






If only Jim hadn't gone and got himself banned.




rawlinson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:23:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

Whether she knew what she was doing or not (obviously she did), she didn't say "Lord McAlpine is a peado" (neither am I saying that in case he's reading) so I can't see how that's libel really.


Yeah, I can't see how commenting on a story that was all over the news is libellous. She's not repeating the libel, she's mentioning the fact that his name is trending. Nudge and wink aside, I'm not sure what she's done wrong.




matty_b -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:28:17 PM)

She is an utter twat, though. Can we sue her for that? [:D]




rawlinson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:32:36 PM)


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She is an utter twat, though. Can we sue her for that? [:D]


I do like the idea of suing people for being twats. Might get Clarkson off television for good.




MonsterCat -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 4:35:38 PM)


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She is an utter twat, though. Can we sue her for that? [:D]


I do like the idea of suing people for being twats. Might get Clarkson off television for good.


I like this idea. What an unconscionable dickwad.




jonson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 5:40:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson


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ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

Whether she knew what she was doing or not (obviously she did), she didn't say "Lord McAlpine is a peado" (neither am I saying that in case he's reading) so I can't see how that's libel really.


Yeah, I can't see how commenting on a story that was all over the news is libellous. She's not repeating the libel, she's mentioning the fact that his name is trending. Nudge and wink aside, I'm not sure what she's done wrong.


Yeah, you're right, but the nudge and wink was enough cause a furore. I'm sure she wasn't the first to mention it, but by tweeting to her thousands (I assume) of followers, she's insinuating what we know she was insinuating, if that makes sense.
For me or you to do it, it probably wouldn't cause much harm (unless you are Piers Morgan [:D]) but for someone in such high regard, with a husband in high office, a lot of people might have thoguth she had proof, being more in-the-know, and pre-empting a story which was about to break.
I'm not sure of Lord Mcalpine's sexual preferences, but for someone in the public eye to insinuate someone else in the public eye is a kiddie-fiddler is pretty nasty, and for Lord McAlpine, something he may never shake off.
Personally, if I were Lord McAlpine, I'd do everything I could to ruin the cow. suing would just be the start.

And as for DLT, anybody with a beard who's named after a boring sandwich deserves it.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 5:45:59 PM)

I'd generally agree but for context - her 1000s of followers were kind of irrelevant if the name was actually trending. That meant everyone using Twitter saw it, no matter who they followed. Click the trend to see why and bob's your uncle. 




jonson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:07:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: elab49

I'd generally agree but for context - her 1000s of followers were kind of irrelevant if the name was actually trending. That meant everyone using Twitter saw it, no matter who they followed. Click the trend to see why and bob's your uncle. 


HOW DARE YOU! My Uncle Bob never, well, he might have done once or twice, that time at the family barbecue springs to mind, couldn't sit down for days.......etc [:D]


Yeah, I don't do twitter, but have a good idea what trending is. I think she was just very stupid and naive to not think her re-tweet, or mention of it, wouldn't be taken a bit more seriously than Mr Average Twitter user. It just gave a bit more, I don't know, truthfullness (is that word?) to the "suggestions" or "allegations".
As I said, I dont use twitter but honestly get fed up with the constant stories surrounding it. I thought facebook was bad enough, but this seems 100 times worse, and the stupidity of people who tweet stuff to gain popularity or controversy just makes me glad I have no interest.
Thsi forum has had it's fair share of spam, unkind commetns, nasty remarks (I might even be guilty myself in the past) which is infuriating enough, I think my head would explode if I was a twitterer. [:D]
For someone like Sally Burcow, who I assume is a very smart, hard-working lady, it makes me sad that she can then be so stupid.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:09:46 PM)

Trending topics appear down the left hand side of your twitter feed - or, at least, the top 10 do. Solast night, eg, the England game was trending and you could tell who was scoring from the names that trended.

So every single person on twitter can see the top 10 trending items - and if it was McAlpine, then everyone saw it.




jonson -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:24:53 PM)

Yeah, I know that, I actuallt have a twitter account but someone does it for me. [:D]
I think my point, and you know what I mean, is that for millions of people to be trending the same thing is one thing, but for the wife of the Leader of the House of Commons to come and add her tuppennies worth is just stupid.
If everyone saw McAlpine was trending, why did she insisit on mentioning it herself other than to fan the flames?
She is in a position of responsability and should act accordingly, especially when accusations of child abuse are being thrown about.
Saying that, I don't think anyone here is actualy defending her are they? [:D]




sanchia -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:25:31 PM)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798

A further arrest made, and another of those names which has been drifting around in association with this whole thing. If the McAlpine thing is anything to go on it shows how reliable they are.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:33:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jonson

Yeah, I know that, I actuallt have a twitter account but someone does it for me. [:D]
I think my point, and you know what I mean, is that for millions of people to be trending the same thing is one thing, but for the wife of the Leader of the House of Commons to come and add her tuppennies worth is just stupid.
If everyone saw McAlpine was trending, why did she insisit on mentioning it herself other than to fan the flames?
She is in a position of responsability and should act accordingly, especially when accusations of child abuse are being thrown about.
Saying that, I don't think anyone here is actualy defending her are they? [:D]


Sorry. It's still quite new to me so I find it easier to believe people don't know about it!




UTB -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:37:32 PM)

Can I just say I still giggle at the title of this thread. "Allegations of Jimmy Savile" makes me think that these people are being arrested under suspicion of Jimmy Savilling.

Which I guess now is true.




DancingClown -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:45:48 PM)

I'm no legal expert but can Mcalpine really sue people for mentioning something they had been led to believe was true via another source? A usually reliable source? While I understand how angry he is this litigious rampage seems a bit over-the-top. Saw his smug lawyer on the news earlier; you could practically hear the "chi-ching" in his voice.




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:49:07 PM)

Very interesting Private Eye this week.




Rgirvan44 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:50:25 PM)

As for twitter - I remember this Social Network quote - The Internet's not written in pencil, it's written in ink.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:51:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DancingClown

I'm no legal expert but can Mcalpine really sue people for mentioning something they had been led to believe was true via another source? A usually reliable source? While I understand how angry he is this litigious rampage seems a bit over-the-top. Saw his smug lawyer on the news earlier; you could practically hear the "chi-ching" in his voice.


Which reliable source gave them a name? Philip Schofield?




DancingClown -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 6:58:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: elab49

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ORIGINAL: DancingClown

I'm no legal expert but can Mcalpine really sue people for mentioning something they had been led to believe was true via another source? A usually reliable source? While I understand how angry he is this litigious rampage seems a bit over-the-top. Saw his smug lawyer on the news earlier; you could practically hear the "chi-ching" in his voice.


Which reliable source gave them a name? Philip Schofield?



Well, it was because of the Newsnight thing, wasn't it? Or am I getting muddled up? There's so much horseshit flying around it's hard to keep up.




elab49 -> RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville (15/11/2012 7:21:15 PM)

Newsnight didn't give his name. [:)]




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