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st3veebee -> Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 12:38:18 PM)
I'm trying to be as PC here as possible, so as not offend anyone. Just looking for opinions. Last month when I went to see Pirates! in an Adventure with Scientists there was a chap sitting in the corner on his own with some obvious mental condition. Throughout the film he would constantly shout random things, or just noises, and completely distract the rest of the crowd. This is a tough thing to talk about but this guy undoubtedly ruined the film for me ( I can't stand any out of context noises...). Has anyone else ever had any odd experiences of a similar note? I know some cinemas mostly have special screenings for people of this nature, bnt this is not the first time I have experienced something like this.

great_badir -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 12:50:49 PM)
Woooh, tricky subject! I've never had it happen at the cinema, but a few years ago I did see Robert Fripp (King Crimson guitarist) in Bath and I was sat very close to a teenager with autism. Whilst he wasn't a "nuisance" himself, he did have a clickable ballpoint pen in his hands which he clicked out and in pretty much throughout the whole concert. Suffice to say it was incredibly distracting and off-putting, but at the same time why shouldn't someone with a learning difficulty be allowed to go out and enjoy a concert with "normal" people?!?! The irony of the whole thing being that normally Robert Fripp loathes distraction and noise (half the time he seems to be annoyed by the fact that he and King Crimson even have an audience) and a KC concert I attended in 2000 in London was cut short by Fripp because one guy in the audience kept taking photos (despite being told several times by Fripp not to). BUT, here's the irony, this particular Fripp concert was one of his "soundscapes" events, where he (along with a saxophonist) basically played an hour of completely improvised ambient music. During soundscape shows, Fripp actively encourages activity so that the music can be an interactive soundtrack to whatever is going on (similar, I guess, to John Cage's 4'33) so, under any other circumstance, Fripp probably would either have asked for the kid to be ejected from the audience, or cut the concert short. But in that guise, he was probably overjoyed. I can't say how I'd react if it happened to me at the flicks - normally it's young kids mucking about or some inconsiderate cunt talking on his mobile (as happened during the Avengers).

Spaldron -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 2:47:27 PM)
I can totally see this thread getting locked. [:D] When I saw Avengers there was a woman pushing her friend/relative in one of those gargantuan wheelchairs clearly only designed for the very disabled. The woman in the chair looked like she has some sort of Stephen Hawking condition. The problem was instead of parking the wheelchair in the zone designed for disabled persons she decided to take this thing up the bleeding stairs and park it in front of the barrier in the row next to me. This was after the film had started and the whole procedure took a good five minutes, all the while blocking half my view of the screen. Then about 30 minutes into the film they decided to get up and leave repeating the whole process over again, blocking my view of the film. If there are designated areas for the disabled then fucking use them and stop being difficult.

MonsterCat -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 2:48:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: st3veebee Last month when I went to see Pirates! in an Adventure with Scientists there was a chap sitting in the corner on his own with some obvious mental condition. Throughout the film he would constantly shout random things, or just noises, and completely distract the rest of the crowd. I was drunk, OK?

elab49 -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 2:56:04 PM)
People coming in late and blocking viewing are a bit different to what I think St3veebee means. There was a chap with, I think, cerebral palsy in the screening of TTSS we went to which was only noteworthy as it seems so rare to see someone with that level of disability in the cinema normally (and an education for those who mistake it with mental handicaps). The only additional noise was interaction with the person pushing the chair. I don't know if it's an issue of accessibility or there is some avoidance of general screenings. I think it'd be sad, if so. Obviously excess noise will be an issue in any cinema but it does feel so unfair to exclude anyone for something they can't help (unlike idiot parents who bring screaming babes in arms into the cinema - sorry, but that is something you can help). Is there such a thing as a special screening? Would it even be feasible with so many different types of issue? Or do most disabled people have to wait for DVDs?

horribleives -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 3:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: st3veebee I'm trying to be as PC here as possible, so as not offend anyone. Just looking for opinions. Last month when I went to see Pirates! in an Adventure with Scientists there was a chap sitting in the corner on his own with some obvious mental condition. Throughout the film he would constantly shout random things, or just noises, and completely distract the rest of the crowd. This is a tough thing to talk about but this guy undoubtedly ruined the film for me ( I can't stand any out of context noises...). Has anyone else ever had any odd experiences of a similar note? I know some cinemas mostly have special screenings for people of this nature, bnt this is not the first time I have experienced something like this. To be honest, I couldn't bring myself to feel any animosity towards the person in question if they had a disability (unlike 99% of people who ruin films for others) but if it was becoming distracting I'd just leave and come back later or the next day.

matty_b -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 3:10:05 PM)
I don't think you have specific screenings for this issue. Certainly didn't happen in the cinema I used to work at - and when buying a ticket last weekend, one option was for a designated carer.

elab49 -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 3:16:24 PM)
I think the only other thing is the categorisation of 'mentally challenged' - I'd assume it's a physiological problem or neurological? Mentally challenged is something different. Although afflictions like cerebral palsy are often unfairly categorised that way by outsiders - there isn't, by definition, any form of learning disability. It's just a person trapped by their body.

st3veebee -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 3:19:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: elab49 People coming in late and blocking viewing are a bit different to what I think St3veebee means. There was a chap with, I think, cerebral palsy in the screening of TTSS we went to which was only noteworthy as it seems so rare to see someone with that level of disability in the cinema normally (and an education for those who mistake it with mental handicaps). The only additional noise was interaction with the person pushing the chair. I don't know if it's an issue of accessibility or there is some avoidance of general screenings. I think it'd be sad, if so. Obviously excess noise will be an issue in any cinema but it does feel so unfair to exclude anyone for something they can't help (unlike idiot parents who bring screaming babes in arms into the cinema - sorry, but that is something you can help). Is there such a thing as a special screening? Would it even be feasible with so many different types of issue? Or do most disabled people have to wait for DVDs? I have defintely seen special screenings in my local Cineworld. Or perhaps it was just a group of disabled people booked the entire theatre...not sure. I can think of three times in the last few months when somebody with some form of mental condition has disrupted a screening (another time it was a guy who sat in the front row and proceeded to shout into his mobile, though it could well have been turned off....or his wallet). It may have something to do with me usually going to quite early screenings (before 12.00 - it's cheaper [:D]). Its so difficult to broach the subject.

Spaldron -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 3:51:58 PM)
Going into early screening means guaranteed drunks sitting up the front with 8 cans of cider.

Hobbitonlass -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 3:58:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: st3veebee It may have something to do with me usually going to quite early screenings (before 12.00 - it's cheaper [:D]). I used to go to the early showings at a weekend and I saw the same disabled chap on a number of occasions who was escorted in by his carer and seated in the front row and then she would leave and only come back when the film had finished (always wondered if she went to see a different film [:D]). He was a noisy guy shouting out loudly at the screen and making random noises. On the one hand it was distracting but on the other it was nice to see him enjoying it so much. I knew he would most likely be there at the earliest viewing but it was a case of what was more distracting, him or a bunch of irritating kids mucking around on their mobile phones......

elab49 -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:06:18 PM)
I know what you mean St3veebee - it feels so unfair but it's also a distraction. You feel the decent thing is to put up and shut up, but if you can't view the film you feel you might as well leave. I think I'd be more likely to do the latter than even come close to making someone feel bad when they just want to do the same as everyone else. Early screenings? My problem was always pensioners crowding the cinema on pension day with hearing aids screeching through the film and loud discussions going on as they explained things they'd missed to each other. Little Dorrit was a bloody nightmare - 'there's that nice Derek Jacobi, you know him' etc etc [8\|]

st3veebee -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:12:41 PM)
I should also point out the the title of this thread is challenged/disabled because I didn't know which was the most accepted term (mentally disabled or mentally challenged). In that particular screening of Pirates! there was a curmudgeonly man sitting a few rows behind the louder man who just "tut-tutted" and sighed his way throughout the whole film. He was more annoying to be honest.

maffew -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:12:46 PM)
I used to work in an Odeon and there was a guy who used to come in regularly.. he was pretty severely disabled, and would sit at the front tearing up flyers, scrunching things and yelping.. we got complaints about him, but its not like you tell them to shut up.. everyone deserves the chance to go to the cinema.. if you happen to find it distracting then its on you to stay or go.. you wouldn't ask a tall person to be shorter.. would you? maybe you would i'm not sure.. meh

horribleives -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:14:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: st3veebee quote: ORIGINAL: elab49 People coming in late and blocking viewing are a bit different to what I think St3veebee means. There was a chap with, I think, cerebral palsy in the screening of TTSS we went to which was only noteworthy as it seems so rare to see someone with that level of disability in the cinema normally (and an education for those who mistake it with mental handicaps). The only additional noise was interaction with the person pushing the chair. I don't know if it's an issue of accessibility or there is some avoidance of general screenings. I think it'd be sad, if so. Obviously excess noise will be an issue in any cinema but it does feel so unfair to exclude anyone for something they can't help (unlike idiot parents who bring screaming babes in arms into the cinema - sorry, but that is something you can help). Is there such a thing as a special screening? Would it even be feasible with so many different types of issue? Or do most disabled people have to wait for DVDs? I have defintely seen special screenings in my local Cineworld. Or perhaps it was just a group of disabled people booked the entire theatre...not sure. I can think of three times in the last few months when somebody with some form of mental condition has disrupted a screening (another time it was a guy who sat in the front row and proceeded to shout into his mobile, though it could well have been turned off....or his wallet). It may have something to do with me usually going to quite early screenings (before 12.00 - it's cheaper [:D]). Its so difficult to broach the subject. My ex-girlfriend used to work with adults with learning disabilities and one of them loved going to the cinema so she used to take him to early screenings, primarily so he wouldn't distract too many people (he was generally quiet but just in case) and also because he got a bit agitated in crowds. The point being, perhaps the people you've came across didn't have the option of going to later screens due to their disability/mental condition.

st3veebee -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:19:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: horribleives quote: ORIGINAL: st3veebee quote: ORIGINAL: elab49 People coming in late and blocking viewing are a bit different to what I think St3veebee means. There was a chap with, I think, cerebral palsy in the screening of TTSS we went to which was only noteworthy as it seems so rare to see someone with that level of disability in the cinema normally (and an education for those who mistake it with mental handicaps). The only additional noise was interaction with the person pushing the chair. I don't know if it's an issue of accessibility or there is some avoidance of general screenings. I think it'd be sad, if so. Obviously excess noise will be an issue in any cinema but it does feel so unfair to exclude anyone for something they can't help (unlike idiot parents who bring screaming babes in arms into the cinema - sorry, but that is something you can help). Is there such a thing as a special screening? Would it even be feasible with so many different types of issue? Or do most disabled people have to wait for DVDs? I have defintely seen special screenings in my local Cineworld. Or perhaps it was just a group of disabled people booked the entire theatre...not sure. I can think of three times in the last few months when somebody with some form of mental condition has disrupted a screening (another time it was a guy who sat in the front row and proceeded to shout into his mobile, though it could well have been turned off....or his wallet). It may have something to do with me usually going to quite early screenings (before 12.00 - it's cheaper [:D]). Its so difficult to broach the subject. My ex-girlfriend used to work with adults with learning disabilities and one of them loved going to the cinema so she used to take him to early screenings, primarily so he wouldn't distract too many people (he was generally quiet but just in case) and also because he got a bit agitated in crowds. The point being, perhaps the people you've came across didn't have the option of going to later screens due to their disability/mental condition. That's a very fair point. I can't really complain when they have chosen to go to a less crowded screening on purpose just as to avoid annoyance etc. As for just leaving: I have no problem other than the money...so do I have any grounds to ask for money back..or at least another ticket for a later screening?

horribleives -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:21:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: st3veebee I should also point out the the title of this thread is challenged/disabled because I didn't know which was the most accepted term (mentally disabled or mentally challenged). In that particular screening of Pirates! there was a curmudgeonly man sitting a few rows behind the louder man who just "tut-tutted" and sighed his way throughout the whole film. He was more annoying to be honest. This would have boiled my piss way more than the disabled bloke doing whatever he was doing (sorry, I can't remember the first post). If it bothered him so much he could have always left, put it down to experience and maybe even counted his blessings. And there's nowt worse than someone complaining about someone making a noise by, erm, making another noise.

elab49 -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:29:06 PM)
Indeed. And if stress or discomfort was exacerbating it then the idiot was only making it worse.

Dead Mike -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:33:15 PM)
I think people with disabilities should be treated exactly as those without. If you can't/wont stop disturbing the other audience members you shouldn't go, it's simple courtesy.

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Spaldron -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:44:44 PM)
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elab49 -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:49:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dead Mike I think people with disabilities should be treated exactly as those without. If you can't/wont stop disturbing the other audience members you shouldn't go, it's simple courtesy. I disagree - I think there's a world of difference in how common decency treats people who can't help any noise made versus those who can but just don't give a shit.

Dead Mike -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:54:20 PM)
Personally, if I had a condition that I knew would spoil other peoples enjoyment of something they'd paid for, be it a film, concert, play or whatever I'd remove myself from those situations. It'd be quite selfish to do otherwise, no?

horribleives -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:56:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dead Mike Personally, if I had a condition that I knew would spoil other peoples enjoyment of something they'd paid for, be it a film, concert, play or whatever I'd remove myself from those situations. It'd be quite selfish to do otherwise, no? You ever considered that they might not realise they're spoiling other people's enjoyment?

Dead Mike -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 4:59:13 PM)
That's a possibility. In which case if you're in the unfortunate situation where you've not got the capacity to realise that then your care giver should know better than to take you, seems pretty irresponsible.

Spaldron -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 5:01:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spaldron I can totally see this thread getting locked. [:D] Remember I said it first! [;)]

horribleives -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 5:02:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dead Mike That's a possibility. In which case if you're in the unfortunate situation where you've not got the capacity to realise that then your care giver should know better than to take you, seems pretty irresponsible. What if the person in question is on their own?

st3veebee -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 5:05:04 PM)
Oh dear...this thread is heading a bad way quick. At least I got some good opinions going for a while!

Dead Mike -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 5:05:14 PM)
They're on their own, got to the cinema on their own, chose a film & bought their ticket, yet they don't have the capacity to recognise that they have a condition? Really?

elab49 -> RE: Mentally challenged/ disabled in Cinemas (9/5/2012 5:06:53 PM)
That 'they' is beginning to sound a little problematic IMO. What would you suggest otherwise? The exclusion of people with certain conditions manifest themselves physically from public activities? I suspect we're not, but I tend to hope we're better people than that and a little inconvenience won't kill us. Requirements for disabled access were a huge step forward and, personally, I'd start with getting rid of the real problems before worrying about the odd person not deliberately making noises. They're just the easier targets.

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